Tehreek-e-Insaf Ki Chief Justice Supreme Court Par Adam Aetmaad Ki Wajah Kya Hai? Rauf Hassan
Tehreek-e-Insaf Ki Chief Justice Supreme Court Par Adam Aetmaad Ki Wajah Kya Hai? Rauf Hassan
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00:00 But on one hand, let's talk about the reality of politics.
00:05 The reality is that the social media team is outside Pakistan.
00:11 So the pressure that you see in Pakistan, your party handles it,
00:17 this is such a big mark on your face.
00:19 This is the local pressure that you are seeing.
00:24 The social media team is not seeing this pressure.
00:27 I think you are absolutely right.
00:29 And that's why you think that...
00:31 There is a disconnect with the ground realities here.
00:35 And that disconnect can potentially damage us.
00:38 It should not be a disconnect.
00:40 That's why I said that a mechanism should be in place for this.
00:44 So that the local flavor comes in it and it is a reality check.
00:48 That this material, this device or what is made,
00:51 should we use it or not, or should we use it with changes.
00:57 This is extremely important.
01:00 Sir, tell me, when Mr. Gowar goes to meet Mr. Imran Khan tomorrow,
01:05 what message are you sending him about these two videos?
01:09 The problem is that I would like to, if I have the mechanism,
01:13 I would like to play these videos and tell Mr. Khan.
01:16 We cannot do that.
01:18 When we talk, we cannot present a wholesome picture.
01:26 We say bits and pieces of what has been said.
01:29 Then the way of talking is so difficult.
01:32 You are virtually yelling at the top of your voice so that the other person can hear.
01:36 So it is a cumbersome exercise.
01:39 In fact, it is a painful exercise.
01:41 So they should facilitate at least so that we can sit and talk.
01:45 In a comfortable, conducive environment so that the party's decisions...
01:50 If you disagree with their punishment, agree, then at the end of the day, they are prisoners.
01:55 They are prisoners.
01:56 You are a prisoner, but you are yelling at the prisoner number 804.
01:59 They can get certain leverages.
02:02 That is not a leverage.
02:04 For example, why do you need to put a partition?
02:08 Even if they remove the partition, you can still take your phone inside.
02:11 At least remove the partition so that we can talk easily.
02:14 Earlier, it was not possible.
02:16 Relatively, it was very easy to talk.
02:18 So your party is agreeing with everything I am saying.
02:21 Your party largely has a view that this should not happen.
02:25 I cannot say that.
02:27 I am talking about my own view.
02:29 The things that can be done without being stated,
02:32 and the things that can be aggravated by stating them,
02:37 should not be stated.
02:39 This is my view.
02:40 I state it openly and own it.
02:44 But I am not talking about the party.
02:46 The party has owned it in the core committee.
02:49 But with the proviso, as I said, I state it again and again.
02:52 But sir, the proviso is irrelevant.
02:54 No, it is relevant.
02:56 The proviso will only tell you whether you will be in trouble because of this video or not.
03:00 Yes, but after that, there will be action.
03:03 If they say that you will be in trouble, then there will be action to save you from trouble.
03:08 You will be in trouble anyway.
03:10 If the court is giving the decision of the cases,
03:12 and you saw that the decision of the date should have been made,
03:14 the date was given, the arguments were completed,
03:17 but to put you in trouble, you have to give the issue,
03:21 you will be in trouble anyway.
03:23 I have said earlier that the trouble has not ended on us.
03:25 It has increased in the last two years.
03:27 We have felt that it is increasing, increasing day by day.
03:30 And the decisions, I am happy that the court has started making some good decisions,
03:35 but I hope it continues.
03:37 And Mr. Khan has come out, that's important to know.
03:41 And he takes full time ownership of the party.
03:43 That's very important.
03:44 You gave a statement on justice.
03:47 The conversation you had, I want you to listen to it and answer it,
03:53 because you repeatedly criticize this,
03:56 that look, there is an attack on justice.
03:59 Yesterday, you were sitting here, your boss came,
04:01 there is an attack on justice, I remember,
04:03 whoever said it, yesterday or the day before yesterday.
04:05 And along with that, he showed your video,
04:08 that it is not possible that the judge you attack is right,
04:12 and if the other person attacks, then he is wrong.
04:14 Listen, what you said, I want to know what is the basis of this.
04:41 Our request to the Supreme Court is pending.
04:43 The Chief Justice,
04:45 Yes, is this still the view of the media?
04:47 It is a fact.
04:49 It is a fact.
04:50 I spoke about surrender when the six judges wrote a letter,
04:55 after that a judicial convention should have been called,
04:58 instead of calling it, the Chief Justice handed over the matter to the executive,
05:02 which was implicated in that letter.
05:04 So that is when I said that surrender was done before the executive.
05:07 There is a situation, there is a perspective,
05:11 and we talk about it.
05:13 Sir, there is a perspective, but you say that Imran Khan's case should not be heard.
05:18 I say it again, I say it again, it should not be heard.
05:20 Is this your party position?
05:21 Absolutely, it should not be heard.
05:22 Is it your position or the party's position?
05:23 No, the bulk of the party believes that it should not be heard.
05:26 There are some of our lawyers who do not want to hear it,
05:29 because they say that the cases are pending, so let them go.
05:32 They have a logical position,
05:37 but the way the cases have been decided,
05:40 you saw what happened yesterday,
05:42 this is not being live streamed,
05:44 after that you saw the arguments that were happening yesterday,
05:46 Atar Minna La's opinion came today,
05:54 I think it was on the 12th page, I think it was 7th or 8th page,
05:56 12th page, read it, read it.
05:58 Imran Khan's life, but it was a 4-1 decision.
06:00 He said that there is no legal precedent to live stream Imran Khan's case.
06:04 Absolutely, it is a number one, number two,
06:06 and it is not that people will come and request you to give them,
06:09 this is their basic right, the constitution has protected it,
06:12 so why don't you live stream them?
06:15 So this bias is being shown,
06:17 so this is what I have talked about,
06:19 we are not targeting any individual here,
06:21 but if an individual does something or makes a decision
06:24 that smells like bias,
06:26 then it is a must that as the party spokesperson I will have to comment on that.
06:31 Where are you standing for this discussion?
06:35 With whom are you discussing?
06:37 You must be discussing with the government, or with the army?
06:40 R.A. Falvi has given a statement, I want you to listen to it.
06:43 If I go to talk about a house, who will I talk to?
06:46 I will look for the owner of the house,
06:48 I will talk to the person who lives in the house,
06:50 I will not talk to the gardener,
06:52 I will not talk to the cart man who is standing outside,
06:54 I will not talk to the person who is in form 45,
06:56 I will not talk to the person who is in form 47,
06:58 I will not even talk to the cart man.
07:00 If you allow me I will take a break on this statement,
07:02 after the break I will take your comment on this.