Unang humarap sa Senate hearing si Bamban Mayor Alice Guo matapos madawit sa na-raid na POGO hub sa Bamban, Tarlac, na siya namang itinanggi ng alkalde. Bukod dito, naging kuwestiyonable rin sa Senado ang totoong identity ni Guo.
Ayon kay Senator Risa Hontiveros, hindi umano nagtutugma at walang sapat na supporting documents ang mga sagot ni Mayor Guo sa mga nagdaang Senate hearing. Naniniwala si Sen. Hontiveros na hindi dapat palampasin ang isyung ito lalo na kung mapatutunayan na may mga nananamantala sa maluwag na regulatory framework ng bansa.
Ang update sa imbestigasyon kay Mayor Guo at iba pang isyung tinututukan ng Senado, sasagutin ni Sen. Risa Hontivers sa #TheMangahasInterviews.
Ayon kay Senator Risa Hontiveros, hindi umano nagtutugma at walang sapat na supporting documents ang mga sagot ni Mayor Guo sa mga nagdaang Senate hearing. Naniniwala si Sen. Hontiveros na hindi dapat palampasin ang isyung ito lalo na kung mapatutunayan na may mga nananamantala sa maluwag na regulatory framework ng bansa.
Ang update sa imbestigasyon kay Mayor Guo at iba pang isyung tinututukan ng Senado, sasagutin ni Sen. Risa Hontivers sa #TheMangahasInterviews.
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00:00 [Music]
00:05 Good day to all of you.
00:07 Are you a Peque or a true Filipino?
00:09 That is the question for Bamban Mayor Alice Goh.
00:13 Let's talk about a very important issue about her
00:17 with the main investigator of this issue, Senator Risa Ontiveros.
00:23 Good day, ma'am.
00:24 Good day to you too, Ms. Malou.
00:27 Senator Risa is a proud political activist,
00:31 champion of women's and children's rights,
00:34 and proposed 25 landmark legislations
00:39 for pregnant women, single mothers, and children.
00:44 Senator Risa, in summary,
00:46 what are the issues related to Mayor Goh?
00:50 Not only citizenship,
00:51 you asked about her Sal-N or asset records.
00:55 You asked about her connection to POGO.
00:58 What do you think is the real lie
01:03 or the real avoidance of the truth?
01:06 It's more of a lie and avoidance.
01:10 In the direct answers to the direct questions,
01:14 about her citizenship,
01:16 about her connection to POGO,
01:19 because it is one of the biggest POGO hubs so far
01:24 that she was raided in Bambang, Tarlac.
01:26 About her Sal-N and lifestyle,
01:30 like unexplained or unexplainable so far,
01:34 her wealth and her connection to possible criminal syndicates,
01:40 and surveillance and hacking activities
01:43 that if proven,
01:44 will have implications for our national security.
01:47 Okay.
01:48 Take us back to day one.
01:49 How did this investigation start?
01:53 We suspect that Mayor Goh is not a true Filipino.
01:58 It all started, Ms. Malu,
02:00 because the Senate Committee on Women, Children, Family Relations, and Gender Equality
02:09 has been investigating the phenomenon of POGO for almost four years.
02:13 Several weeks ago, a month ago,
02:16 Raid was raided for the second time, one of the biggest POGO hubs so far in Bambang, Tarlac.
02:26 And on site,
02:29 the connections that were still there and seem to be still there,
02:35 were revealed by the local chief executive of Bambang,
02:38 in that POGO hub.
02:40 Aside from the many people who were rescued,
02:44 Filipinos, Vietnamese,
02:48 Malaysians,
02:50 and some Chinese fugitives who were arrested there,
02:56 there are documents on site that show that Mayor Alice Goh herself,
03:02 before she became mayor,
03:04 applied for the documents needed by ZUNU1 to operate POGO in Bambang.
03:14 And until now, there are documents on site that she is still paying utility bills,
03:21 the salaries of some employees in the maintenance department.
03:27 That's why it became noticeable that the local chief executive has a link to that POGO hub.
03:38 So before she became mayor, you said she was involved in the company that runs POGO,
03:45 she pays salaries to its employees.
03:48 But is there a property issue?
03:50 Does Mayor Goh or Alice Goh have a property to rent before she became mayor that runs that POGO hub?
03:58 According to her, she bought a lot of land,
04:05 in the 8 hectares that POGO hub is currently building.
04:11 According to her, she just passed by by happy accident.
04:16 Her associates in Clark,
04:19 because they own a restaurant,
04:22 she was a simple pork seller,
04:25 she just thought of supplying pork to their restaurant.
04:30 And she was invited to head to Bambang and she invested the land she bought as her equity in the POGO hub.
04:42 But it's really weird Ms. Maluni, she can't say how much she earned from selling that land.
04:50 If at any time they only rented it, how much she earned from that land.
04:57 And what's more mysterious and more dangerous,
05:00 it seems like she didn't do a background check on her associates in Zulu New One.
05:05 For now, those two are now involved in the biggest money laundering scam and scandal in Singapore.
05:16 According to her, she doesn't know the background of those two
05:21 and she hasn't been able to contact them since she became mayor.
05:26 Her only contact in Zulu New One, she mentioned it in the hearing,
05:32 but Ms. Maluni, it turns out that she is also a POGO agent.
05:37 In fact, the POGO hub in Bambang escaped the second raid by our authorities.
05:45 So while Mayor Alice is answering and not answering,
05:50 her situation is getting worse because of the POGO in Tarlac.
05:55 So there is a connection with POGO and there is a material interest in the company that POGO is running.
06:05 You also saw its SAL-N.
06:08 You were told by the Senate and you asked it,
06:10 June 30 and July 1, 2022, the two versions of SAL-N.
06:15 Please tell us what is the disparity that you saw?
06:19 There is a big disparity.
06:21 Even if you go through the time warp where the first SAL-N was submitted was dated July 1
06:29 and the second corrected SAL-N was dated June 30,
06:33 whatever it is, within a day or a day and a half, the SAL-N is really different.
06:41 On one side, there are 10 real estate properties listed.
06:46 On the other side, there are only 3.
06:49 On one side, there are business interests listed.
06:52 On the other side, none.
06:54 So there are big discrepancies and those are the only SAL-N in 2022.
07:01 If we look at the SAL-N in 2023, it cannot be explained in the hearing that there is a big increase in its net worth.
07:11 So where did that come from if it divested from its business if it was a mayor back then?
07:20 And until now, it is saying that it is not an investor or protector of POGO.
07:28 So it does not tie up neatly with the answers to our questions.
07:34 Okay.
07:35 So Mayor Goho, you're saying that June 30, 2022, SAL-N is the entry into office.
07:41 What is it called? SAL-N.
07:43 Year later, 2023.
07:45 What is the difference in its net worth?
07:48 You said it suddenly increased from 2022 up to 2023.
07:53 It is noticeable that there is a big increase in its net worth and it cannot be explained in the sources of income.
08:04 It cannot be explained properly in its ostentatious lifestyle.
08:09 You said that it is just a simple person but there are about 10 or 16 cars under its name.
08:19 Aside from that, the McLaren, according to it, is just a loan but it does not immediately remember the name of the car that its owner lent.
08:31 It has a helicopter that until now is officially owned by its owner because it did not move.
08:38 It is being paid for on installment by a British company that it was lent to.
08:45 But it became the owner of a chopper until now.
08:49 We can see posts of our fellow countrymen netizens that the clothes and accessories are very expensive.
09:00 We can still ask and ask again where did the expenses for that kind of lifestyle come from?
09:11 It is not easy to erase the evidence that is coming out of its links to POGO.
09:19 The four years that we have been discovering are the same as the number of crimes against Filipinos and against Filipinas.
09:30 And now, here in POGO hub in Bamban, they are even asking about national security.
09:36 Okay. You mentioned the source of income.
09:42 But the mayor's salary is not that high, his salary grade is 27 or 29.
09:48 It means that he doesn't have P200,000 per month.
09:52 But he said that his background is that his parents have a pig or a pig farm.
09:58 He grew up in a pig farm and he's always inside the house.
10:02 What is the background? If we don't accept that his money came from POGO, where will it come from?
10:09 That's why even though he said he has P2,000 heads of pigs in his pig farm,
10:18 even though he listed it in other companies before, like embroidery, in bulilit siopao, he also listed smelting.
10:29 But even if we include that and look at some of the documents that were shown by the companies' earnings year by year,
10:40 it will not add up to the amount of money that he will need for his lifestyle.
10:49 If POGO is his source of income, we should really worry about that because nothing good comes from POGO
11:01 that will have bad effects on our society.
11:05 And that's why here in Bambang Hub, we are still investigating the possible use of it in monitoring and surveilling our government
11:17 and hacking activities against our government websites.
11:23 The espionage, what is espionage?
11:26 That issue came up because of questionable citizenship.
11:29 The birth certificate that Mayor Alice Goh showed, she was 17 years old when she first found out.
11:36 She's 19 actually.
11:38 19. There are reports that her father is a Chinese citizen and maybe he has a connection with the Chinese Communist Party.
11:49 These are the rumors that are circulating. But her mother said she is a Filipino.
11:56 Please tell us what is the issue with her citizenship and what have you discovered so far?
12:02 We discovered more questions than answers.
12:06 Citizenship should be simple, right?
12:08 The problem is that the documents are contradictory.
12:14 She said that her father is Chinese but in a register of live birth that we saw, it was written that he is Chinese.
12:24 When it comes to some of her business documents, it was written that he is Filipino.
12:31 In one hearing, she said that he is Filipino-Chinese.
12:34 So what is the issue?
12:36 The citizenship of our parents is not multiple choice.
12:41 If her father is Chinese, the only one who can be a Filipino is her mother.
12:49 It is also very mysterious. In her birth document, it was written that her mother's name is Amelia Leal and she is married to her father.
13:00 But she repeatedly said in her first interview that her mother, Amelia Leal, is a housewife.
13:11 Her father. So is she a housewife? Is she married?
13:14 At first, she said that she is a single mother.
13:17 When we showed the documents, it was revealed that she has at least two siblings.
13:23 In the hearing, the PSA said that she has a third sibling.
13:27 So not only Sheila and C.M.N. Liagwo, there is also Wesley Liagwo.
13:32 In all of their birth certificates, the names of their parents are the same.
13:39 Why is it that a very simple issue, identity, citizenship,
13:45 cannot be answered by documents about her that are so straightforward and simple?
13:53 What does this mean?
13:55 She said that when she was a teenager, she saw her birth certificate.
14:00 But according to the law, the public official should be the one to run for it.
14:04 To make it clear, natural born citizen of the Philippines.
14:09 So is she really from the Philippines or from another place?
14:11 Is that why she was born and her birth certificate is a late registration?
14:15 What is the issue there?
14:17 Actually, a lot of Filipinos register late for various reasons.
14:24 And most of them are just right.
14:28 The problem here in Mayor Alice Wu's case, first, a huge pogo hub was raided.
14:36 A lot of victim-survivor were rescued.
14:40 Some were arrested by thugs from above in China.
14:45 Another thug escaped and the authorities wanted him.
14:51 And the two of his associates in that pogo hub were not only wanted, but also standing trial in other countries.
15:01 So they continued to backtrack and investigate her background.
15:09 And what came out were not facts that gave us confidence that there is a presumption of regularity here.
15:17 No, especially since she is a government official.
15:22 And one of the things we expect from those working in the government is transparency.
15:30 That is one of the things we expect.
15:33 And if the answers are not transparent but opaque and there is a lack of identity,
15:41 we will be the ones who will be lacking in the Senate if we don't know.
15:48 Especially since this is a result of the recent phenomena of pogo, human trafficking, and scamming.
15:55 Plus now, the surveillance and hacking operations.
16:02 Senator Riza, in this event, the pogo operation has been going on for four years.
16:07 The registration for the pogo operation cannot be absent.
16:11 The entry of foreign workers cannot be allowed because the Bureau of Immigration is not alert.
16:18 How did Mayor Alice Goh get involved?
16:20 Who was the one who really laid the foundation for her political career?
16:26 That is our question.
16:29 That is why we picked up our interest when the intel agencies said that they are also investigating possible angles of espionage, hacking, and surveillance.
16:47 That is why we are very interested in her background.
16:51 Even if it is just a simple memory of your childhood, why can't she tell it?
16:58 Her first almost concrete memory that you can validate with documentation is her registration of live birth.
17:08 She was 17 years old when she first became 19 years old.
17:13 If she used her birth certificate to enter not only the economic life of the country but also the political life of our country,
17:28 we really need to establish that for sure and also identify the accountabilities of various agencies of our government or even the people who passed through here.
17:42 Because this is really a public good, this is really a matter of interest of our country.
17:48 Even if the PAG-COR license that should have legit POGOs, even if we are issuing them,
17:57 there are many negative effects even if they are not legit POGOs.
18:00 But according to PAG-COR, in the second to the last hearing, they were not able to give the license to Zuniwan.
18:08 The mayor said that the person who approached Zuniwan had a provisional license and PAG-COR tricked him.
18:16 The first entity, Hongsheng, had a previous license but it was suspended.
18:26 But it seems that it still continues to operate under the guise of Zuniwan.
18:32 So it seems that there are really local and foreign agents in our very loose regulatory system.
18:45 This is really one of the tip of our biggest concern because whatever investigation we are doing,
18:52 we are saying to the resolution in aid of legislation, we need and want to establish if there is violation of our laws.
19:03 Are there laws that should be implemented that are loose or wrong or not implemented?
19:10 Are there regulations that are being violated from outside and worse from inside, from the regulators themselves?
19:20 Because this cannot be allowed to pass through us.
19:28 What is the situation of POGO hub of Zuniwan?
19:31 Is it closed? Mayor Alice said that if we ask her, she will not accept POGO.
19:37 What is the situation? Is it padlocked?
19:39 For now, it is padlocked and PAOK is in the jurisdiction that was raided on it.
19:46 So while we are listening to this resolution and while we will soon be entering the executive session
19:55 where the various agencies of our government and intelligence agencies are free to say all of their information
20:06 that they cannot disclose in open hearing.
20:09 So are there various agencies conducting an investigation?
20:13 While we are investigating the issue of Bambang POGO hub and the many issues that it raised,
20:22 the government agencies are conducting parallel investigations.
20:31 While these are still ongoing and we will also be conducting the executive session,
20:36 I think Zuniwan will remain padlocked.
20:41 The residents of Bambang, if we are not mistaken, there was no news of a payment,
20:49 or a purchase of votes or a violation of the last election.
20:53 But there is a candidate who is more talented.
20:57 The question in people's minds is how Alice Goh won as mayor?
21:02 Well, we are not yet looking at what the electoral process was.
21:07 The question we asked in the last hearing to Homelec Chair Garcia is if it can be proven that the citizenship of Mayor Alice Goh as a Filipino is invalid,
21:25 what will happen?
21:26 Chairman Garcia said that there are at least two processes that can be initiated
21:32 that depend on which process will be done to replace Mayor Alice Goh,
21:39 the second in her election for mayor or vice mayor.
21:47 Okay. Senator Jing Goy, you're asking Mayor Alice Goh,
21:54 did other officials from Pangasinan help you?
21:59 Do you look for other places where there is a possibility of this kind of story?
22:04 Local officials who are in favor of POGO, running POGO hubs,
22:09 having unexplained wealth and suddenly having questionable citizenship.
22:14 Isn't it possible that this is also happening in other cities?
22:21 Maybe it is possible, but now with the size and complexity of the POGO hub case in Bamban,
22:33 we are really stuck here because until now, issues are still arising.
22:39 This strange case of Bamban POGO hub and Mayor Alice Goh.
22:45 But in the angle that is being investigated by surveillance and hacking,
22:51 it is concerning to other countrymen if it is possible that this is also being done by other countries
23:01 in other parts of our country.
23:04 Especially that we have such relations with them in the West Philippine Sea,
23:12 who are the first to be investigated by POGOs, our grid and others.
23:21 So it is really of concern because who among the countries does not want to remain independent and have their own land?
23:30 Aside from espionage and hacking, I think you also saw sex trafficking operations in other POGO hubs.
23:38 Did you see that in Bamban?
23:41 We haven't seen anything that is that disturbing.
23:46 Although, of course, the love scams in their online scamming operations,
23:51 sex is one of the factors there, deceiving the victims and then taking and stealing money from them.
24:01 But it is true that sex trafficking is one of the most dangerous aspects of human trafficking
24:07 that is part of the many POGO hubs that we are exposing and being raided by our authorities.
24:16 It is one of the most dangerous diseases in our country, that whole POGO phenomenon.
24:25 Senator Riza, you have been in several hearing days and almost all of them attended Mayor Alice.
24:31 There were many senators who were irritated and said that they cannot remember and that they will check.
24:39 But in fairness, she was brave enough, bold enough to attend your hearings.
24:44 How can she be a better resource person or witness?
24:49 Where do you think she needs improvement?
24:52 You are the only one who asked me that question.
24:57 Maybe her lawyers should advise her if they can tell the truth.
25:06 I guess the only way that she can be a better witness or resource person is if she is a better government official.
25:17 To be honest, because until now, even if she did not commit a crime,
25:22 she is the one who is hiding the feeling of every answer.
25:26 She is withholding the truth and that is not a good attitude especially from a government official
25:35 to her government officials or to another branch of our government
25:42 if she is a constituent of our government and not of other governments in this world.
25:50 There are calls that she should be on preventive suspension.
25:53 DILG also wants to investigate but the new Senate President, Chief Escudero,
25:58 said that the burden of this story is on the accuser.
26:04 So what should be done?
26:05 Preventive suspension or produce more evidence to file suit against Mayor Alice Go?
26:12 Actually, there are executive agencies that are talking about possible preventive suspension.
26:20 They can do that process whether it is the OPAN or Office of the Ombudsman or the Municipal Council of Mayor Alice Go in Bamban.
26:30 As to the burden, the committee and the whole Senate is not a court.
26:37 So burden of proof is usually on the courts but burden of evidence,
26:45 that is where we really go through our own efforts and so far tons of evidence are coming out.
26:55 It is not for us to judge or sentence or even suspend Mayor Alice Go in other branches.
27:06 But our duty is to investigate if there are laws that are being violated, if there are regulations that are being violated or being violated.
27:17 Here, I trust Ms. Maluna, that the mandate and duty of the Senate is solidly within us.
27:29 I will segue, there was a musical chair in the Senate the other week.
27:34 The minority, Senator Coco Pimentel and the two of you did not vote, abstained.
27:40 But there is a solid seven that is being said, the group of former Senate President Mig Subiri.
27:47 What is your opinion on that? It seems like Senator Coco is still silent. What really happened?
27:54 Did the Senate have issues against Senator Mig or in his words, I did not follow instructions. What are the issues?
28:05 It is possible that everything is mixed up Ms. Malu and it will be clear over time.
28:10 We, the minority leaders and Coco Pimentel, want to remain a minority to fiscalize, check and balance inside and outside the Senate.
28:23 So now, some are still premature, not all but some speculations or projections in scenarios that will solidly shape up.
28:34 Anyway, we are suspended for now.
28:37 Two months will pass before the next session from the State of the Nation Address of the President.
28:45 So maybe we should wait and see how the post-mortem analysis will shape up and if there are any more alignments in the Senate.
28:57 You're being very proper, but we all know.
29:00 Proper minority.
29:02 The proper minority. But the Solid Seven had spoken, some of them.
29:07 One is the foot diplomacy or the foot issue.
29:11 The issue is that they were not allowed to have a Zoom meeting in the plenary of Senator Bong Rebilla because he had a recent foot operation.
29:22 Nancy Binay said they're putting their best foot forward. So there's sarcasm there.
29:27 And what the Solid Seven said, some of them, is that they will exercise independence right now.
29:32 So for the minority of two, Senator Coco, was that a happy news or sad news?
29:38 Well, for the super majority or for the minority?
29:41 Well, the Senate as a whole was known as an independent institution, especially when there's a crisis.
29:52 We call it the last bastion of democracy.
29:55 So having more independent blocs inside, having more independent members in the Senate is better.
30:06 So for us in the minority, I suppose whatever the dynamics inside the majority,
30:15 if there's a part of them that says they will be more independent than now, I suppose it can only be for the better.
30:25 Okay. But for your investigations, even if there's a super majority of 22 senators versus a minority of two,
30:34 many of them helped you and were part of your investigation, your committee or other legislative committees.
30:43 In Solid Seven, it seems that many of them are similar in their legislative committees or in their views on issues.
30:51 Did you have a conversation off-chamber with Solid Seven?
30:57 We haven't had that yet.
31:01 I think these two months are also a breather for everyone, each one and each group to discuss and explore,
31:13 if ever, to talk among themselves on what will be the moves and what will be the possible alignments.
31:22 Like what I mentioned earlier, it might be early, it might be speculative, but we are only two docents so the lines of communication are always open.
31:34 The most open line of communication for me is through Sen Coco and we will also discuss your suspension as preparation for the next phase of the life of the Senate.
31:48 The question that many of us are thinking about is why did you rush to change your position?
31:54 Your session was already suspended, you will be back and the Senate will be going in.
31:58 And usually, in the Senate, there is an election of the Senate President, pro-Tempor, etc.
32:05 What is the reason? Why did you need to change your position?
32:10 Well, of course, I cannot say the timing of the majority.
32:16 When I was asked before the change of the leader, when I was asked by the Senate media, I said that I am not privy to details, just wait for later this week.
32:28 So I cannot say if they rushed or if they have been waiting for a long time but now they just clinched.
32:39 But that is how politics is outside and inside every institution.
32:46 I guess there comes a moment when the various tendencies that were raw or now are converging.
32:56 So that is also one important thing that we will read by Sen. Poco, this suspension.
33:03 So that even if we are just two in the minority, like in the past two years, we were able to produce important work on issues like sugar smuggling fiasco,
33:18 martial law commemoration, confidential and intelligence funds, and the Maharlika Fund.
33:25 And I am looking forward to continue being a beneficiary in that way.
33:31 You are the one who is very hardworking in investigating. Your research team is very good.
33:37 They are very good.
33:39 Anyway, but now the Senate has 24 senators. There is a majority coalition but there are four-membered groups.
33:49 There is a solid seven and a minority of two.
33:52 The four-membered groups are the former artists or senators from the entertainment or film industry.
33:59 Is it true that there are such groups?
34:02 Let's not avoid talking about re-electionists. In May 2025, 12 of you will run again or bow out because of second term work.
34:14 Isn't this realignment connected to who will be placed in the Magic 12 of the admin slate?
34:23 Well, of course, all moves even within government institutions are seasonal, especially in our regular elections, midterm or general.
34:36 In fact, because our political party system is still weak and weak, only a few real parties are there.
34:46 I have to say, my party is one of the real parties.
34:50 Because our political party system is still weak, actually, it is these groups within the institutions that serve to prepare and carry out electoral and other political campaigns.
35:08 So yes, those who observe and read our political terrain can also look inside the Senate to see how the various forces are preparing for the next year.
35:23 That's why I'm asking because there are many pro-Duterte senators who will have a chance to run again for re-election.
35:32 Senator Bato, Senator Bongo and Senator Francis Tolentino, we know that they are really a fan of President Duterte.
35:41 But the winners of 2022 who are pro-BBM, until 2028, there is a chance. What is it? Actually, it's 2029.
35:52 So that mix is a bit unusual. There are pro-Duterte senators, pro-BBM senators, parties that you said are sometimes weak.
36:03 Nationalista Party, NUP, NPC, PDP Laban, all of them are there in the solid, well, the 15 votes that Senator Chies gave.
36:14 So what is this? How do people make sense of the very weak political party connections?
36:22 Is what they say true in politics? There are no permanent friends, only permanent interests?
36:28 So are our senators just self-interested in the election of their leader?
36:36 It's interesting because in the context of what's happening outside, like the UNITEAM is not there anymore, the UNITEAM is fighting.
36:46 There are some that don't exactly mirror the alignment inside the various institutions.
36:52 So well, because I am also a member of the Senate, I am proud to say that the Senate also has a strong personality.
37:03 And because we are just a county and even if there is a majority-minority divide, for example,
37:09 as long as there is similar advocacy in bills, resolutions, or budget debates, we can cross the majority-minority party line.
37:19 But we know that the election is one of the most partisan exercises for every Filipino, not just for our members of the public.
37:31 All I can say is that if the situation outside the two leading factions are at odds,
37:40 the dynamics inside the Senate will also be colorful.
37:47 I think the alignment inside the Senate will also exert influence on the shape of the law.
37:55 The bills that you want to pass are like the divorce law that was passed by the House of Representatives.
38:03 What is your plan for the Senate? Can the Senate also pass the divorce law?
38:10 We can do it in the Senate if we want to.
38:13 The majority of my committee members signed the committee report so it is already over-hyped to report it to the plenary for interpellation and debate.
38:25 The Senate President, Cheese, said that he will pass a conscience vote on the divorce or dissolution of marriage bill in the Senate
38:35 just like what happened in the House of Representatives.
38:40 So whenever I talk to divorce advocates or organizations, I say we have a chance in the Senate.
38:47 But what can you say to those who are against the law? They say that the family of the dissolution of marriage law will be destroyed.
38:57 The dissolution of marriage bill is not for whole, happy, and loving spouses and families.
39:09 Those who do not need a divorce will not be included.
39:15 The divorce in fact, the dissolution of marriage in fact, is for families that have been destroyed by violence, neglect,
39:27 and the current separation for a long time and want to have a second chance, not just the individual woman or man, but also the children of the whole family.
39:44 In love, in marriage, in family life, why should we be bitter to them?
39:52 We know that the family is the backbone of our society.
39:58 Why should the family that was destroyed or wounded not support the reunion and reconciliation because of the second chance?
40:07 Isn't that what is more successful for our society?
40:11 For a month, Pastor Kibuloy had a Senate decision to issue a warrant.
40:16 The court followed up on that but it seems like it is still a mystery.
40:21 His lawyers say that they still have judicial issues.
40:24 The preliminary investigation in Davao but the final case in Pasig.
40:28 What do you think? Should Pastor Kibuloy surrender or be arrested?
40:34 He should have been arrested by the PNP a long time ago.
40:38 It excites our fellow countrymen that there are two units of staff that went to Davao City and took over the responsibilities of the police in Davao City.
40:51 I hope that this is a sign that decisive action will be taken based on three warrants.
40:58 What the lawyers of Kibuloy are saying is not correct. Those are two different cases and warrants of Pasig and Davao aside from the warrant of the Senate.
41:10 Recently, the Kibuloy's followers surrendered 21 firearms, more than 19, as the PNP said.
41:22 So there is a lot of content in that issue that a private army of Kibuloy was armed.
41:32 So there are a lot of things that need to be unpacked and decisively acted on by our government authorities
41:41 so that the door to justice for the victims of Kibuloy, especially the women and minors at that time, will be opened.
41:51 All right. On that note, we will thank you again.
41:54 Thank you.
41:56 You have a lot of investigations. Are there still people who are doing research, documenting and investigating?
42:03 The research is ongoing but for now, the majority of our energy is focused on the ongoing POGO investigation,
42:15 in particular, the conspiracy against Mayor Alice Guog.
42:18 Okay. Thank you very much Senator Lisa Ontiveros. Thank you very much, ma'am. Keep safe.
42:25 Take care.
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