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The Scotsman Bulletin Monday May 20 2024
Scotsman Deputy Editor Alan Young talks with Political Editor Alistair Grant about the Scottish Parliament findings of a pilot programme over abuse levelled at MSPs including Lib Dem leader, Alex Cole-Hamilton experiences.
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Hello, and welcome to the Scotsman's Daily
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Bulletin for Monday.
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I'm Alan Young.
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I'm deputy editor of the Scotsman.
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I'm joined today by our political editor, Alistair
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Grant, to take a look at some of the main headlines.
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Hi, Alistair.
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Hello.
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How's it going?
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Good.
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Let's have a look at the front page today.
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And we lead today on, like many of the papers,
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really across the country on the upcoming report
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from the Infected Blood Inquiry.
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This is clearly a massive scandal.
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It's been a decades-long fight by victims,
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as we have said in the headline there.
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We may finally get detail on compensation,
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very large compensation payments, later on today.
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The report, I believe, is out around lunchtime,
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and we're expecting a statement from Rishi Sunak in the Commons
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a bit later on today as well.
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If I can draw your attention to the wing column there,
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we have Alistair Grant's story with Alex Cole-Hamilton,
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the Scottish Lib Dem leader, talking about the level of abuse
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that he experiences as an MSP.
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And this is a bit of a theme, Alistair,
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because we had a report on Friday,
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I think it was, which detailed hundreds of cases against MSPs
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where they've been targeted with abusive communications
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which have been alleged to be criminal,
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who've been so serious.
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But bring us up to date with what Alex was saying yesterday.
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-Yeah, so just to give a bit of background on this,
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I mean, the Scottish Parliament initiated a review
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of security provision on the back of the death
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of Sir David Amess, the Conservative MP
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who was stabbed multiple times as constituency secretary in 2021.
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And this led to a trial programme,
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which you referenced there,
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that looked at online threats against MSPs.
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It was set up last year, involved 38 MSPs
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from across the political parties in Holyrood,
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and it identified 7,661 abusive comments,
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of which 461 were deemed to be potentially criminal
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and were referred to Police Scotland.
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So it's quite an eye-opening volume, I guess,
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of abusive comments that MSPs are dealing with
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on a near daily basis.
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And Alex Cole-Hamilton yesterday was on BBC Scotland's Sunday show,
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and he was asked about an interview he'd given
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to a rival Sunday paper
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where he talked about, essentially,
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his experiences of online abuse.
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But he'd mentioned the fact that he had been getting therapy
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for the last couple of years,
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I think the last two and a bit years.
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He'd been seeing a counsellor about the kind of stresses
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and strains of the job.
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Part of that was to do with the abuse that politicians face.
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And it's something that we've heard a lot of in recent years,
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concerns around the abuse that MSPs have to deal with
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just for being in the public eye.
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Social media, obviously, playing into that in quite a big way.
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And also, the stresses and strains of the job, I guess,
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and how they've affected people.
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I mean, Humza Yousaf spoke quite openly
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about receiving therapy himself
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when he was transport minister, I think, a number of years ago,
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and spoke about potentially doing it again
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when he was in Bute House.
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He's obviously not first minister anymore,
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but he was quite open about his own experiences.
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So I think it's something that there is a lot of concern about.
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I think the job of being a politician,
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you know, people are rightly sometimes critical of politicians
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and keen to scrutinise them,
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but they obviously do a very difficult job.
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That sense of not being able to switch off,
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being a 24/7 role, very long hours,
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often away from family for long periods of time,
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it does take a toll.
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And social media has played a part
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in that kind of constant stream of commentary
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and sometimes abuse that MSPs have to deal with.
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And I think it's probably a good thing
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that politicians are being open about the impact that has.
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And I think a lot of people will understand
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that these things have a cumulative effect
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and they do start to kind of eat into your perception of yourself,
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I guess.
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- Indeed. And we of course know that politics in Scotland
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in particular has been particularly toxic in recent years.
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And John Swinney has obviously taken over as first minister now
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and has made reference to that on several occasions
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and on doing things differently.
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I guess there must be a fear
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that if the current level of abuse continued,
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it's going to stop people putting off,
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it's going to put people off rather,
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becoming politicians in the first place.
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- Yeah, I mean, if you speak to the people behind the scenes
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in political parties from across the political spectrum
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in Holyrood, they'll tell you that that's already the case,
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that potential parliamentary candidates are put off
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going into frontline politics
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because of the sheer level of public scrutiny that involves,
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not from them, it's not always about them,
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it's to do with their families as well.
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And people will talk about the abuse
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of some of their family members,
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members of SNIV just because they are in public spotlight.
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So it is a real concern about putting off people
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who potentially have a lot to offer to public life.
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But choosing to go into frontline politics now
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is a very different thing
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from what it was a couple of decades ago,
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this particular year.
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As I say, that kind of 24/7 nature of it,
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you just can't really switch off.
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You've got this smartphone in your pocket
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that's constantly keeping you updated
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with exactly what people think about you.
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It's quite easy to say that people should just switch off
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from that and people should treat online commentary
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with a pinch of salt.
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I think that's sometimes easier said than done
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for some people.
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People have obviously different thresholds
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of what they're willing to put up with.
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And if comments are directed towards family members,
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it becomes a very different thing again.
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So yeah, it's already having an impact.
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As you say, Scotland has been quite divisive
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in terms of its politics,
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certainly over the last 10 years
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since the independence referendum
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and the constitutional question.
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And people like John Swinney obviously came in
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as the new first minister
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and has talked about the toxic nature of politics.
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And I was actually at an event
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in which Nicola Sturgeon was speaking at last week,
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at the end of last week,
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in which she said that the culture in politics
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is now downright toxic, to use her words, at times.
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And she was accepting that she played a role in that.
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I think some of our critics would say
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that she played a very big part in that.
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But John Swinney as well accepting
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that he's also played a role in that.
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I think going forward,
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I'm slightly cynical about the chances of politics changing
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in any major way.
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I think it's sort of where we are now.
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Social media is not going anywhere.
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The nature of political debate is what it is.
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But yeah, it's a concern going forward.
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And I think it's something
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that people do need to grapple with.
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- Thanks for that, Alistair.
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Fascinating story today,
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and you can read it in today's paper
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and online at scotsman.com.
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Bye for now.
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