Khurram Dastagir's reaction on Justice Babar Sattar's allegation
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00:00 Sir, you spoke about individual cases, but there is a universal position.
00:04 Babar Sattar is a great judge.
00:06 Tehreek-e-Insaf opposed his speech and accused him of supporting the PPP.
00:11 Now your community is criticizing him and questioning him.
00:14 Are you also in the same trap in which Tehreek-e-Insaf was trying to reference Justice Qazi Faiz Isa?
00:21 No, Babar Sattar is a very honourable man and he is also a very courageous man.
00:27 And this is also a part of the history of justice.
00:30 When the former Chief Justice Saqib Nisar was jumping over the limits of all the laws
00:36 and making fun of the country's constitution, Babar Sattar himself raised his voice for the constitution.
00:42 So he is a very honourable man and I expect from him that instead of writing these letters,
00:48 he should solve this issue through transparency, which I have raised in the case of his green card.
00:55 So that we can focus on the actual issue, which is the issue of the actual people.
01:00 And I will say again that the issue of the people is that 70 billion rupees should go into the treasury of the people.
01:05 We should focus on that instead of discussing the conduct of honourable judges.
01:10 Sir, he has received a procedural relief.
01:13 The decision of bail has to be made.
01:15 But does a judge not understand himself who is giving him the message, what message is being given?
01:20 When the government says that he is misconstruing, or you are directly accusing him of criminal mischief.
01:28 You are saying that he is a very good man, he is a well-educated man from Harvard, he is the most capable judge.
01:34 Your government is accusing him of being unworthy.
01:37 The problem is that how can it be that justice...
01:39 We expect that...
01:41 I am not giving my personal opinion, not the opinion of my community.
01:45 My personal opinion is that the 6 judges who have accused him...
01:53 Now we have an example that Qazi Faiz Isa was on the bench and presented himself in front of that bench.
02:03 And he testified in his favour.
02:06 So these justices, when they have accused him so seriously,
02:11 they are standing behind these accusations and are coming to the court and saying that this man came, this man came, he told me this.
02:21 Instead, these letters only spread rumours and confuse the matter.
02:27 If you allow me, Mr. Khurram, how is it possible that you are spreading rumours about Justice Babar Sattar,
02:34 but the accusations of Justice Arshad Malik and Justice Shaukat Siddiqi were absolutely correct and were not false,
02:41 the system was being unmasked because it was suiting you politically.
02:44 Then Justice Babar Sattar's letter from one room to another is spreading rumours,
02:47 he is called smart management, the minister of justice.
02:50 But when Faiz Isa used to write to Chief Justice Bandeyal, he was on the right.
02:55 Why is this a double standard?
02:57 No, it is not a double standard at all. Look, Qazi Faiz Isa and Shaukat Siddiqi, both presented themselves in front of the court in their defence.
03:08 They presented their evidence and evidence.
03:12 If these judges also want to make a new date for the freedom of the court and the independence,
03:21 I have only given a suggestion.
03:23 They will do what is in their best judgement.
03:27 Mr. Khurram, is there interference in political and judicial matters?
03:31 Yes, I am not an expert on this, but in the internet edition of the Blacks Law Dictionary of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif,
03:43 on the definition of asset in disqualification, if you cannot say interference, then there will be very deep questions on the ability of the judges.
03:52 So, you had said in my program that you will lift heavy stones.
03:57 When Faiz Musharraf went, how did you do it?
04:00 This is a heavy stone.
04:02 Here we have to keep in mind that when the Muslim League was being weighed on,
04:10 when our leaders were put in jail for 22 months without evidence and evidence,
04:16 or they were hanged, it is not possible that one person says that at that time it was the rule of law and not today.
04:26 These were the judges, these were the courts, at that time it was the rule of law and not today.
04:31 The rule of law is still the same as it was then.
04:35 You admit that it is the same as it was then, and you are on record as it was then.
04:40 The army is going through this struggle between justice and the method of justice. Is your community not in trouble?
04:47 No, my expectation is that Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, who is the head of the Makhlut government,
04:55 will resolve this matter through the parliament and through legislation and discussion.
05:03 Because no matter how much we discuss, the matter has to be resolved through the law.
05:11 If any legislation is done on this by the will of the judges, by their consultation,
05:18 if any such pressure is put on them, then what procedure will be there on it?
05:24 Either the judge himself will make it, if he wants the National Assembly to legislate on it,
05:29 then the National Assembly will be ready for it.
05:33 But anyway, some procedure will have to be made.
05:35 This issue will not be resolved by a letter.
05:39 And the last question, sir, because Imran Khan is also being presented in court through video link,
05:43 surely he will also comment on the health of this parliament and this democracy.
05:46 But we remember that Mariam Nawaz had said, "Power talks to power".
05:49 Imran Khan is also doing the same, sir. He is also criticizing the army so that they come to the table and sit with him,
05:53 just like Baadiza opened the way for you and the issues were resolved through backdoor diplomacy and dialogue.
05:59 Look, if we all keep throwing mud at each other stuck in this mud, then the matter will not be resolved.
06:10 That is why it is important for Imran Khan and his community that he rides on that horse,
06:19 that he has two claims that I don't know how many votes have been cast,
06:24 or he has this claim that apart from him, every community is a dacoit, traitor, animal and infidel.
06:30 Come down from that, talk to democratic people and that is why it is now necessary that the democracy,
06:36 which was signed by martyr Benazir Bhutto and Mohammad Nawaz Sharif in 2006, it has been 18 years,
06:42 it has been reformed and improved and all the parties agree on it so that we can move forward.
06:49 Otherwise, we will be stuck in this static, we will be stuck in this mud.
06:52 Thank you very much. You heard Khurram Dastgir's conversation.