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"We too have a lot of videos in which...", PTI leader Asad Qaiser
Is PTI ready for Talk? - Asad Qaiser's Big Statement
" Jab Tak Vote Ko Izzat Nah Miley Mulk Agay Nahi Barhay Ga. ." Rehnuma PTI
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00:00 Assalamu alaikum, dear viewers, you are watching the program with Kashif Abbasi. In the last two, three, four days in Pakistani politics, especially in the 7th, 8th, 9th and now, it has become very hot.
00:24 DGISPR held a press conference, a press release and a statement came from the army chief and those were very harsh statements, which were answered by the Tariq-e-Insaf.
00:34 Government and the government community, that is, the Muslim League is being presented with negotiations again and again. Yesterday, Bilawal Bhutto Zardari also presented Tariq-e-Insaf with negotiations.
00:46 I want to show that today there were speeches in the assembly, Umar Ayub Sahib gave a very smokey speech, an hour and a half.
00:54 And as I said earlier, when the movement establishment talks harshly about a political party, the parties move back a few steps.
01:01 Here it seems that Tariq-e-Insaf has taken a few steps forward and Turkey is answering everything, criticism is also being made on the political role of the establishment.
01:12 But where there is a discussion of negotiations, there is confusion in Tariq-e-Insaf. What statements have come from Tariq-e-Insaf? Listen to it in the last few hours.
01:19 Yes, we will negotiate, but we will negotiate with the army chief, with DGIS.
01:24 We don't want to talk to anyone, we won't talk to anyone.
01:29 Negotiations are the way forward and they will be with the political forces of the political forces. I will not talk to any non-political forces.
01:37 Negotiations will be with those who should be with those who have the power, who are the mother of power, who are the establishment. These people are nothing.
01:42 I met Imran Khan Sahib, he sacrificed his ego too. No, because it is a matter of the country, then the conversation is the solution.
01:50 Imran Khan Sahib has said that there should be a dialogue. I am doing a dialogue, I am not dealing.
01:55 So, if there is no dialogue, if there is a political leadership, there will be negotiations with the establishment.
02:03 So, this is the position of Tariq-e-Insaf. From Noon, Rana Sinaullah Sahib has presented a dialogue in two words to Tariq-e-Insaf.
02:12 Can it be thought of to create an environment for a grand dialogue?
02:17 No, it cannot be thought of. There is no other option. PMLN leader Mian Washi is also ready for this.
02:26 Whenever it will be, it will be unconditional. Imran Khan Sahib is also a reality, but he also believes.
02:33 Asad Qaisar Sahib is present with us. He is also a speaker. Speaker Sahib, what is your position on dialogue?
02:40 Who should do it? Who should do it? This is the first time you decide and tell.
02:43 Look, the first thing is that you also showed Rana Sinaullah and he has said it in some of the programs of RY.
02:53 So, we are talking about this among ourselves. And we have decided among ourselves that
02:59 first of all, we have a forum, a political committee, that there should be a complete discussion on this.
03:04 Then our allies, Mr. Achik Zahid, Mr. Mangel or Mr. Allama, we want that there should be a participation with him too.
03:13 And especially we should take the advice from Mr. Khar. Look, I am not in a position to tell you whether we are doing dialogue or not.
03:22 We are doing a consultation. We are having a discussion.
03:28 When we will have a political committee or CEC or allies and we will talk to Mr. Khan, then we will give an official response.
03:37 But Rauf Hassan Sahib is the translator of the party.
03:40 Yesterday, he was a part of the program with Maria Memon Sahiba.
03:45 I heard that he said that we will talk to the establishment of power.
03:51 Isn't this your official position?
03:52 No, look, this can be his opinion.
03:56 But what I am telling you now is that the official statement that we will give,
04:02 we will have a consultation among ourselves, all the senior leadership of the party,
04:07 our allies, and we will have a proper consultation with Mr. Khan.
04:12 After this, we will give a response.
04:14 But today, Mr. Gauhar left after the meeting.
04:18 He said that we will not do dialogue or deal. Who do we have to dialogue with? First, we have to decide.
04:21 Look, first of all, I said this because I am a little cautious about this.
04:25 And look, we want this country to get out of this crisis.
04:29 We want anarchy to end in this country.
04:32 But tell me, on one hand, you tell us to do dialogue, dialogue, discussions.
04:36 On the other hand, during that time, not in this session,
04:40 our MNA from Balochistan, Mr. Bazi, was forcibly included in the Muslim League.
04:47 Okay, our second MNA from Kariya was forcibly included in the Kapli.
04:53 On one hand, we are being slapped, we are being thrown from the wall,
04:57 and they say, "Yes, yes, come, sit."
04:59 This is not how it is. First, the environment has to be created.
05:02 The situation has to be shown.
05:04 We think that this statement is only a political statement.
05:08 It is not to show that we are very good.
05:10 You are reducing our mandate daily.
05:16 You are not allowing us to hold rallies.
05:19 You are not giving us our legal and legal right to pre-movement.
05:25 And you are talking about negotiations.
05:27 In Punjab, Amal al-Marshal came.
05:30 I went to Lahore for two days that day.
05:34 I was told to believe that the party wanted me to have dinner in a restaurant.
05:40 No restaurant was ready.
05:42 They said, "Is this a country? Is there a democracy in this country?
05:46 Is there a law? Is there a constitution?
05:48 How will this country function?
05:50 This is the democracy of Nawaz Sharif.
05:52 So, they are doing one thing and saying something else.
05:54 That is why we will respond responsibly.
05:59 We have a brief meeting today.
06:02 We will do a consultation on this issue.
06:06 We will go to Mr. Khan and respond to this issue.
06:09 But the establishment says that we will not have a rally.
06:11 They say that they are ready to do this.
06:14 We will do what we will do.
06:16 We will talk about it in the context of law and order.
06:19 Our constitution is supreme.
06:22 The person who has a pyramid in the constitution should live in his own pyramid.
06:27 He should live in his own constitution.
06:29 But, the first thing is that, where did it start?
06:33 Elections take place.
06:35 After the election, stability comes.
06:37 This is the first time that the country has been in a terrible situation.
06:42 And hatred has increased in the country.
06:45 And I will tell you in the context of justice,
06:48 that Imran Khan is the symbol of unity.
06:52 He is a man from Balochistan who has always been against Punjab.
06:57 He does not get any vote in Balochistan.
07:00 And he gets 100 votes in Lahore and Punjab.
07:03 This is not a symbol of unity.
07:05 The party that I have elected from,
07:08 from the Panachinar tribe,
07:10 has been elected from there.
07:12 He is connected to the Shia community.
07:14 The area that has never voted for the Shia community in its life,
07:19 has been elected by the PTI for the first time.
07:22 This is a symbol of unity.
07:24 Sir, it is a symbol of unity.
07:26 But today, Omar Ayub was reading the constitution on the assembly floor
07:31 and was telling us what a soldier takes as a pledge.
07:33 I will not take part in politics.
07:35 And your own party and yourself,
07:37 Raghupat Hassan says that we will have negotiations with him.
07:40 You also tell him to come to politics and talk to us on political issues.
07:44 Then you say that you will not take part in politics.
07:46 You cannot play both sides of the game.
07:48 You have to decide first.
07:49 No, that is why you are absolutely right.
07:51 That is why you say that we need more consultation and brainstorming.
07:54 And whoever responds to this,
07:56 and we have discussed this today,
08:01 that whoever responds to this,
08:04 we will respond with proper consultation.
08:08 And look, the situation is very complex at the moment.
08:12 Have you ever seen this?
08:15 I am sorry to say this,
08:17 but we should not discuss the DGI and SPR issues.
08:23 This is our institution.
08:25 If this institution becomes weak or controversial,
08:28 then it is the loss of the country.
08:30 We do not want to weaken our institution in any way.
08:32 We want it to have a constitutional role
08:35 and to have a respect for the constitution.
08:38 But it should do its job in its own legal and legal jurisdiction.
08:44 Sir, but you are right that they should not comment on politics
08:47 because it will start a commentary and they will be criticized further.
08:50 But the question is still there.
08:53 You say that there is no discussion.
08:55 But the solution to this is discussion.
08:57 Whatever the issues are, the solution to this is to have a discussion.
08:59 How long has the Noon League been offering you to talk to us?
09:03 Two weeks ago, Mr. Rana sat here and said in my program
09:06 that if he says this to us, we will go to him ourselves with an offer to discuss.
09:09 I say that we will go to you physically with an offer to discuss.
09:13 They will also be afraid.
09:14 They will think that we will start a conversation with you.
09:16 If you offer a deal to them, they will be free.
09:20 Everyone has their own problems.
09:22 Whatever you say, create an environment.
09:24 They say, we will create an environment, we will start a conversation with them.
09:26 Mr. Tarikan should deal with this from behind.
09:28 This is the fear of all.
09:30 I will tell you one thing categorically.
09:32 We will not make any deal.
09:34 And whatever will be discussed will be on the practice of the law.
09:40 Apart from this, we are absolutely clear on this.
09:43 There is no confusion.
09:45 And we think that what they are doing is a public face-saving.
09:52 Look, we are both.
09:54 You don't even have a mandate.
09:58 You have a total of three seats.
10:00 How have you created a power on a fake mandate?
10:04 So you have created it.
10:06 It is wrong.
10:09 What will you say after the conversation?
10:10 Because you have a fake government, we will not talk.
10:12 Who will you talk to?
10:14 You say, we will talk to the establishment.
10:16 What will you talk to the establishment?
10:18 I say that I cannot even come to that point because we have not discussed it.
10:21 But the one who forced me to take my mandate,
10:25 the one who gave me the vote,
10:28 the one who gave us the responsibility of this government,
10:36 it was our responsibility to come and solve this issue,
10:39 that economy, whatever it is, it should be solved.
10:41 And here the other people are sitting, the fake people are sitting.
10:44 They do not have a mandate.
10:46 That is, until the mandate is taken care of in this country,
10:51 the mandate is not respected,
10:54 the vote should be given, the voters should not be respected.
10:57 This country will not grow.
10:59 Jinnah Sharif used to say, give respect to the vote.
11:01 So what is this position? Is this vote a respect?
11:04 The beneficiaries keep changing.
11:05 This is the real role.
11:07 Maybe you were a beneficiary when they were playing the role.
11:09 Today you are playing the role when they became beneficiaries.
11:12 That is why you will have to fix the framework of this country.
11:15 How to run this country?
11:17 You have to run it according to the constitution because you all stand with your shoulders.
11:20 The Lord has come, deal with us.
11:22 The problem is that you have to deal with me.
11:24 This is the biggest problem of this country.
11:26 This is absolutely right.
11:28 What you are saying,
11:30 our main framework is the constitution.
11:33 And until all institutions and all political parties
11:38 will not make the constitution their main framework,
11:42 this country will not work.
11:44 See, the position I am in,
11:47 Khyber Pakhtunkhwa,
11:50 the mandate of which the people of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa gave us almost completely,
11:55 the votes won by the Tualibot seats,
11:57 the other ones that have been given,
11:59 have also been given in a mass way.
12:02 You can consider it 100% that the mandate has been given.
12:03 You are firing us there,
12:05 you are not giving us any funds.
12:07 You are firing us,
12:09 you are not giving us any officer.
12:11 You are firing us,
12:13 we are not getting support even in security.
12:15 And they are continuously campaigning against us.
12:17 Okay, tell me,
12:19 your Afghanistan which is on your border,
12:21 and a new war is being prepared,
12:23 and I know at what level the juniors are being prepared,
12:26 how it is happening.
12:28 The border which is your crack,
12:31 you have made a 40 year war zone.
12:33 In that,
12:35 the commitment of your NFC,
12:37 that you have to give 3%
12:39 to Punjab, Sindh, Balochistan, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa,
12:43 and Wafaaq,
12:45 no one is giving a single penny.
12:47 Okay, the merger that was happening,
12:49 the commitment you made on that,
12:51 you are not fulfilling any commitment.
12:53 Okay, unemployment is increasing,
12:55 unemployment is increasing because there is no development,
12:57 activities have been jammed,
13:00 the news of the economy has been jammed.
13:01 Sir, this will be fine only when
13:03 political issues will be solved,
13:05 then everything will be fine.
13:07 You agree to this,
13:09 and you say that the country should be run according to the law.
13:11 But first give the basic statement,
13:13 then we will not talk to the establishment
13:15 because the law and the law does not allow you.
13:17 No, we do not say that.
13:19 We have our own opinion.
13:21 I say that
13:23 that party is a translator,
13:25 we respect it,
13:28 but I think that whatever we talk,
13:29 we will talk about it
13:31 while being within the law and the law.
13:33 What I say, I say that.
13:35 Sir, you are allowed to talk to politicians only,
13:37 not within the law and the law.
13:39 No, see, first of all,
13:41 the negotiations that are happening,
13:43 you will negotiate with the person
13:45 who has the mandate.
13:47 If there is a thief's son,
13:49 a dacoit's son,
13:51 but still I am controlling my emotions
13:53 because I want that
13:55 we can have a broader consensus
13:57 and according to that consensus,
13:58 I will respond to him.
14:00 Sir, one does not have a lawful mandate,
14:02 the other does not have a legal mandate,
14:04 then who will you talk to?
14:06 Look, first of all,
14:08 will this country run like this?
14:10 First question,
14:12 this means that there is no answer.
14:14 So, to change it,
14:16 we will have to negotiate,
14:18 we will have to find a way.
14:20 Now, who will you negotiate with?
14:22 This decision is yours to make.
14:24 You yourself are saying that within the law and the law,
14:26 we have come to the establishment
14:27 and we do not have a legal mandate,
14:29 you should not talk to them.
14:31 On the other hand, you are saying that
14:33 we do not have a mandate,
14:35 we will not talk to them,
14:37 then who will you talk to?
14:39 I just say this, Mr. Kashi,
14:41 I have some documents,
14:43 I have some resources,
14:45 but if I do it on the media,
14:47 I will go ahead with my mandate.
14:49 And since I do not have a proper consultation,
14:51 I have the answer to the question you are asking.
14:53 You give me two or three days,
14:55 we will discuss it.
14:56 Tomorrow, God willing,
14:58 I will be in contact with Mr. Achik Zahid and Mr. Meghal,
15:01 I will be taking their opinion.
15:03 Then we wish that
15:05 we will meet with Mr. Imran Khan next Thursday,
15:09 and we will have a meeting of our political committee,
15:11 and a meeting of the CEC.
15:13 We will have a broader discussion on it,
15:15 and then we will come.
15:17 In that, we have all the situations,
15:19 that how serious is this,
15:21 how serious is this,
15:24 how serious is this,
15:25 or what can be the TURs,
15:27 what can be the agenda,
15:29 we will discuss all these things,
15:31 and we will respond like a responsible political party.
15:35 And I will tell you one thing,
15:37 see, right now the need is that
15:39 we are all Pakistanis,
15:41 Pakistan is first for us,
15:43 if this Pakistan is there, then we will be there,
15:45 we will do politics.
15:47 I tell everyone that
15:49 the mandate of the person who has it,
15:51 should be accepted.
15:53 You did not accept the mandate in 1971,
15:54 what was the result of that?
15:56 You, when you come,
15:58 and you do not give the mandate of the person,
16:00 then definitely,
16:02 where will people go?
16:04 Tell me, if you give one vote,
16:06 and the count goes to another place.
16:08 Dhani Bahadur, you are right,
16:10 countries cannot run like this.
16:12 It is not possible that the box
16:14 is of someone else,
16:16 and it is open of someone else.
16:18 This is how the country cannot run.
16:20 We are unfortunate that we allowed it to run for so many years,
16:22 but we have not seen any beneficiary.
16:23 Someone had the benefit,
16:25 he stood up and defended it.
16:27 Even now, if your party is asked,
16:29 sir, I ask you,
16:31 was there a dandi in 2018 or not?
16:33 All the elections were dandi.
16:35 So, it was in 2018 too,
16:37 you were its beneficiary.
16:39 Absolutely.
16:41 I say that,
16:43 I just say that,
16:45 all the elections that have been held,
16:47 all have been dandi in the elections,
16:49 and its path should be completely stopped.
16:51 It should be stopped.
16:52 Why didn't you say at that time that we don't want this favour?
16:54 Look,
16:56 people were being included by making it South Punjab Mahas.
16:58 Look,
17:00 your people were being broken up and given from other parties.
17:02 Why didn't you say that we don't want this?
17:04 Look, I will say one thing,
17:06 I think that we made that mistake,
17:08 because when you bring such people,
17:10 who are compromise,
17:12 who are sellers,
17:14 who are worshippers of power,
17:16 they do the same thing as the one who did with us.
17:18 I think that we have learned a lot from this.
17:20 We will not go to any notable or electable,
17:21 we will not go to any electable.
17:23 We will give tickets to party workers,
17:25 who will be ideological,
17:27 who will be loyal to the party,
17:29 who will have worked hard with the party.
17:31 That experience was wrong for us,
17:33 and we will not repeat that experience.
17:35 And Mr. Khan agrees with this?
17:37 Absolutely.
17:39 He agrees.
17:41 He thinks that the way we have given tickets to these notables,
17:43 I think that...
17:45 And we will not delay from now on.
17:47 This is also a decision.
17:49 No, no, no.
17:50 Look, I will say one thing.
17:52 I am sure that in future,
17:54 we will give our political workers as many tickets as we can.
17:56 But sir, they will not negotiate for politics, right?
17:58 They will not say to anyone,
18:00 "Please help us."
18:02 You are laughing and smiling at this,
18:04 but they will not say, "Please help us, increase our seats,
18:06 put us in the opposition."
18:08 No, no, I am telling you,
18:10 we will not ask for help from anyone.
18:12 We will answer to our people,
18:14 and we will come to power with the help of our people.
18:16 We will come with the power of our people.
18:18 If we get any power,
18:19 we do not need any other power.
18:21 Okay, if you allow me to take a break,
18:23 I will take a break.
18:25 And before coming back,
18:27 just a quick point.
18:29 Largely, your case is settled.
18:31 You say that you do not want this,
18:33 you will not do this,
18:35 you will not deal with anyone,
18:37 you will not ask for help from anyone.
18:39 So, where do you have a problem in talking to a politician?
18:41 I am asking this question to understand.
18:43 No, not with a politician,
18:45 but with a thief.
18:47 A person who has the power of a minister,
18:48 on which vote is he sitting?
18:50 The one who gets votes in Islamabad,
18:52 he does not have the right to vote.
18:54 But this decision will be resolved through a discussion.
18:57 Because you want to resolve this issue,
18:59 that our mandate should be returned.
19:01 This will come back through a discussion.
19:03 The people who did it,
19:05 they took out the 47 forms with a clear mind,
19:07 that you do not want to come to power,
19:09 bring someone else.
19:11 They have come,
19:13 now it is not that they will put it on a plate and return it.
19:16 No, no, no,
19:17 we have to talk about this.
19:19 We will have to find ways from politicians
19:21 to make a larger framework.
19:23 We are in a struggle,
19:25 we are in a struggle,
19:27 and we think that the people have understood,
19:29 that the people have understood,
19:31 that if this is their government,
19:33 no one will accept it,
19:35 no one will respect it.
19:37 We will not be a part of any of these demonstrations
19:39 in which the people's support is not available.
19:41 Okay, last question before the break.
19:44 Can you sit with Nawaz Sharif and Zardari
19:47 without compromising on your principles,
19:49 that corruption is unacceptable,
19:51 mandate theft is unacceptable,
19:53 on anything else,
19:55 which is our fundamental position,
19:57 we will not compromise,
19:59 just to find a political way
20:01 to remove the problems of this system,
20:03 can you sit with them in that situation or not?
20:05 First, they will apologize to the people.
20:07 What they said about apologizing to you.
20:09 You say that we do not apologize to our father,
20:11 they will also say the same,
20:13 that what they have done,
20:14 the mandate theft,
20:16 what the situation is,
20:18 after that they will think about it.
20:20 You are saying the same thing
20:22 that you were told by the speaker.
20:24 You are saying the same thing
20:26 that you were told to apologize first,
20:28 and then talk.
20:30 No, basically,
20:32 what they are saying,
20:34 about new months,
20:36 we have said that we should make a judicial commission,
20:38 if we are responsible,
20:40 then we should definitely be punished,
20:42 if we have violated the constitution,
20:43 then we should take action against it.
20:45 Sir, you also said a while ago
20:47 that no election has been transparent in Pakistan's history.
20:50 I asked a question about the 2018 elections,
20:52 specifically about them.
20:54 This means that the corruption in that election,
20:56 then they will say that you should apologize to them first,
20:58 that we did not participate in that election.
21:00 Look, I just say this,
21:02 that what you are saying,
21:04 is against the system.
21:06 Our system,
21:08 until the system is not right,
21:11 the people who run the system,
21:12 will not be convinced that
21:14 this is the right of the people,
21:16 this is the mandate of the people.
21:18 The system is run by the people,
21:20 and the parliament is running it on their behalf.
21:22 And the government is a parliamentary government.
21:24 This system should be made.
21:26 And no one else has any authority over it.
21:28 But the problem is that
21:30 if you sit together and talk, then it will be done.
21:32 Apologizing will be done.
21:34 Your first reaction to apologizing to your father
21:36 is that your father does not apologize to you.
21:38 I will come back to the 9th month.
21:40 Now you are asking him to apologize.
21:41 This means that you have closed the way for him.
21:43 No, look, I said this because
21:45 I do not agree with this.
21:47 I am not denying this right now,
21:49 that we are not talking about anything,
21:51 nor are we doing anything.
21:53 I do not have a mandate.
21:55 When we have a proper discussion on this,
21:57 brainstorming among ourselves,
21:59 we will form an alliance with Mr. Khan,
22:01 and with our allies,
22:03 then I will respond.
22:05 If everyone is united,
22:07 then maybe the matter can be resolved without apologizing.
22:09 We will follow the advice.
22:10 Let's take a break.
22:12 We will be back after the break.
22:14 You can go ahead.
22:17 Welcome back, Mr. Naseem.
22:19 We have with us the former speaker,
22:21 Mr. Asad Qaisar.
22:23 Mr. Qaisar, you have mentioned the press conference
22:25 that the DJI and SPR held.
22:27 And then the Army Chief.
22:29 He said that you do not have any
22:31 communication and compromise with us.
22:33 He did not just say that
22:35 our patience is not unlimited.
22:38 There is a limit to that.
22:39 After that speech,
22:41 after the speech of the DJI and SPR,
22:43 or after the press conference,
22:45 we saw a very harsh reaction from you.
22:47 I felt that today's speech
22:49 is a war of words,
22:51 the kind of speech that
22:53 Mr. Omar Ayub gave at the floor of the House.
22:55 So, what is the thought behind it?
22:57 On the basis of 9th May,
22:59 there is a thought of the Army and the establishment.
23:01 They say that this was wrong.
23:03 You did it.
23:05 You made a plan.
23:07 What is your view on this?
23:08 What do you have to do in response to this?
23:10 We have a very simple demand.
23:12 We have said this on the floor
23:14 and today Mr. Omar Ayub has also said it.
23:16 We think that
23:18 to end this dispute,
23:20 there should be a forum
23:22 where we can talk about this.
23:24 We talk about one thing,
23:26 and they talk about another.
23:28 We want to make a judicial commission on this.
23:30 The judicial commission should be a big commission.
23:32 I would suggest that
23:35 you should appoint the Chief Justice
23:37 of the biggest department
23:39 under his supervision
23:41 and make it so that
23:43 it is clearly known.
23:45 What do you want to do?
23:47 What we want to do is,
23:49 tell me,
23:51 Mr. Kashyap,
23:53 we have demonstrated this in Islamabad.
23:55 How many of us were there?
23:57 When the police were not going,
23:59 there was only the police,
24:01 no one else was there.
24:04 The police were walking for so long,
24:05 and the police lines were coming,
24:07 and they were walking for more than 5-6 km.
24:09 There was no one else.
24:11 How many people were there?
24:13 I think there were not more than 1,200.
24:15 You have such a huge force.
24:17 You pick up Minal Khan from his house
24:19 with such a force and do all this.
24:21 What is the reason
24:23 that the police were not there?
24:25 You should ask this question.
24:27 What is the reason that the police were not there?
24:29 You should ask this question.
24:31 Why didn't you ask IG and the Rangers at that time?
24:33 But I have a question for you.
24:34 I agree with you that the police were not there,
24:37 otherwise where would they let them go?
24:39 But why were you going to the Corps Commander House?
24:41 See,
24:43 it is your leadership that put the slogans
24:45 that we are going to the Corps Commander House.
24:47 Yasmin Rajchi Sahiba said,
24:49 I have seen videos,
24:51 maybe it is Sharia Rafidi's video,
24:53 it is other people's video,
24:55 there are tweets,
24:57 that where do we have to go?
24:59 There are many audio leaks that they have made
25:02 that where do we have to go?
25:03 Let's go to the Corps Commander House.
25:05 So,
25:07 do you think this was an organic response
25:09 or you had already thought that you would protest here?
25:11 No, no, no.
25:13 This was an organic response.
25:15 And what you are saying,
25:17 tell me,
25:19 Yasmin Rashid,
25:21 when did she say that you should go?
25:23 She is continuously saying that.
25:25 She is continuously saying that you should go.
25:27 But when you reached there,
25:29 obviously people went inside,
25:31 but she is saying that you should go.
25:32 There is a difference between the two.
25:34 I am saying that it was not that there was no plan.
25:36 I believe that
25:38 you will get an answer in two situations.
25:40 One is that when you see these statements,
25:42 you will say that it was your leadership that said that you should go.
25:44 Should I tell you that you should go to GHQ
25:46 or Corps Commander House?
25:48 No, no, no.
25:50 You are talking about Mujeeb Shariar,
25:52 where was he himself?
25:54 You know,
25:56 he must have said something emotionally,
25:58 but somehow this was not the policy of the party.
26:00 If you can talk about an individual,
26:01 then you can talk about an individual.
26:03 Look,
26:05 we have always respected the law and the constitution.
26:07 Whatever happened with us,
26:09 about 9th May,
26:11 we have a lot of videos.
26:13 If you want,
26:15 I can bring you so many videos
26:17 that are continuously stopping you
26:19 that you should not go,
26:21 and there is someone.
26:23 Didn't you hear on 9th May,
26:25 how many videos and audios were going on
26:27 that it was 9th May,
26:29 go there, go there.
26:30 I am bringing the videos,
26:32 you show the videos.
26:34 I thought you were saying that
26:36 we wanted to go in front of him,
26:38 but we did not want to go inside.
26:40 No, look, we did not say this in any way.
26:42 We were certainly complaining
26:44 that on 7th May,
26:46 when Khan Sahib was arrested,
26:48 and the way,
26:50 I think it was on 8th May,
26:52 the next day this happened.
26:54 Whatever date it was,
26:56 tell me,
26:58 the way he was mistreated,
26:59 he was the Prime Minister of the country,
27:01 the country's,
27:03 well, interestingly,
27:05 the order he is giving,
27:07 that too,
27:09 I mean,
27:11 it is related to the army,
27:13 the warrant he is issuing,
27:15 it is related to the army.
27:17 People were asking,
27:19 what are you doing?
27:21 And then the way he was picked up,
27:23 the way he was insulted,
27:25 the way he was humiliated,
27:27 the way he was taken to the police station,
27:28 that is why we say
27:30 that the right character should be revealed.
27:32 The one who is behind this.
27:34 Who is behind this?
27:36 I will tell you a Punjabi poem,
27:38 "Kuch hai arde log bhi zalam san,
27:40 Kuch saanu maranda shauk bhi siye"
27:42 If you are being treated unjustly,
27:44 then you too will have the desire to die.
27:46 Let's go to the GHQ, let's go to the Aflanjay.
27:48 But let me ask you the next question.
27:50 Look, I feel that
27:52 we have come to a place
27:54 where the establishment has taken its own position
27:56 and you too have come here and are standing.
27:57 Do you see a situation of a war?
27:59 Or is another war going to be waged against you?
28:01 What you are saying in the middle,
28:03 we say that
28:05 we have no fight with anyone.
28:07 We have a fight for the
28:09 protection of the laws and the law in the country.
28:11 Whatever obstacle comes in its way,
28:13 we will have a struggle against it.
28:15 I mean,
28:17 how can we weaken our army?
28:19 Look, I am a peaceful citizen of this country.
28:24 The laws and the laws that I have been given,
28:26 the rights that I have,
28:28 the rights that I have,
28:30 I have equal opportunity,
28:32 I have free and fair elections,
28:34 I have the rights of human rights
28:37 as per the law,
28:39 I have those rights,
28:41 I will stand against whoever stands against it.
28:43 I will fight against it.
28:45 But we do not want to weaken our country's institutions in any way.
28:49 We want a strong army,
28:52 to defend the country.
28:53 We want a strong court,
28:55 to give justice to the country.
28:57 We want a strong parliament,
28:59 to give the country its policy.
29:01 I mean, we want to see all the leaders of the country strong.
29:04 We want to get out of this balance.
29:07 And we want Imran Khan to be the only leader,
29:10 who is a symbol of unity.
29:12 I just told you,
29:14 that he is the leader whose party is present in Balochistan,
29:16 in Sindh, in all the provinces.
29:18 You see the people's party,
29:21 is limited to Sindh.
29:22 Muslim League,
29:24 is not even limited to Lahore and Sihr.
29:26 There are many problems there too.
29:28 Tell me,
29:30 Nawaz Sharif has lost to Yasmin Ashiq.
29:32 I will give you the entire data.
29:36 I told you one day,
29:38 that if I see all the Form 45s I have,
29:41 I think I will buy a new motorcycle,
29:43 after selling it in Rajdhi.
29:45 I have so many Form 45s.
29:47 So it is true that we can see the situation.
29:50 We can see that they are losing in elections from different places.
29:52 I don't see any seat on GT Road,
29:55 that has been won by Muslim League.
29:57 You are saying one seat in Lahore,
29:59 I have seen two seats.
30:01 The sources close to the bureaucracy,
30:03 say that two seats have been won.
30:05 Even now,
30:07 the Zimni elections,
30:09 say that two seats have been won by the MPA.
30:11 Not later, the Zimni elections.
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