What will be PTI next plan of action following SC's verdict regarding reserved seats issue?

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00:00 I am sure you will agree that this is a relief, but an interim relief.

00:05 The Minister of Justice, Mr. Azam Nazeer Tadz, believes that this was a matter of the constitution.

00:09 It is very, very sensitive.

00:11 It would have been appropriate if a larger bench had issued a ruling,

00:15 and not this bench suspending the ruling.

00:17 The Parliament's legal authority should have increased the objections to the ruling.

00:22 What would you say?

00:24 Well, if a bench is satisfied that a case is being made in the public eye,

00:31 and if a bad ruling is not issued, there is a risk of injustice.

00:38 As it was here, our case is being made in the public eye.

00:41 I think that when this matter is investigated thoroughly, our case will be made.

00:47 But in the meantime, the government has announced that it is not a general law,

00:53 and is going to amend the constitution.

00:55 This is a very serious situation, in which such a ruling was necessary in my opinion.

01:02 Otherwise, if you amend the constitution and prove tomorrow that the constitution of the Parliament was unconstitutional,

01:08 then we will go into a crisis.

01:11 So it is better to hear this case on 3rd June.

01:14 This case will be brought before the big bench.

01:17 It will take a week or two.

01:19 A final decision will be made.

01:21 There will be no appeal against it.

01:23 Only a review will be done.

01:25 And the matter will be made clear.

01:27 After that, whatever form the Parliament takes, according to that, a legalization should be done.

01:34 And sir, this big bench which is to be formed, which has been said in the decision,

01:38 that it is a matter of constitutional interpretation, so that a big bench is formed,

01:41 should the Chief Justice of Pakistan himself sit in this?

01:45 Given that he can be potentially a beneficiary, if the constitution is formed,

01:50 if he can govern, then the issue of conflict of interest is also being raised.

01:55 So should he be part of this bench?

01:57 Yes, obviously, this can be a point of view.

02:01 Because whenever you talk about the extension in a position,

02:05 and you say that the extension will be given to those officers or that officer who is currently in that position,

02:12 then in my opinion, this is not a very good thing.

02:18 It creates an impression that you are trying to get someone's satisfaction.

02:23 Otherwise, what is the reason for this extension?

02:25 Has the government come up with any explanation?

02:27 Why do they want to extend it to the first level and extend it immediately?

02:33 So this does not seem right.

02:35 And the law and the judicial process should not be correct only at the technical level.

02:41 It should also be correct at the level of conscience and conscience.

02:46 So I think a big bench should definitely be formed.

02:49 Because the Practice and Procedure Act of 2023 says that where there is a matter of constitutional amendment,

02:54 at least five judges will listen to the matter.

02:58 Mr. Syed Ansur Ali Shah, who is a senior judge, a senior puny judge, is leading the bench.

03:04 In his leadership, two more judges can be added to create a bench.

03:11 An extension can be given to the number of benches.

03:15 So should we be part of it?

03:16 If we look at it from the perspective of optics, then it is better if it is not.

03:21 So it is better that the Chief Justice is not a part of the larger bench.

03:24 Sir, the court has said in relation to the specific sessions that this abhorrent order is only related to the controversial sessions

03:30 that have been given to political parties, PPP, Noon League, JUIF.

03:34 It has also been clarified that this order will be applied from today.

03:37 So tell me, will it be done prospectively or can it be done retrospectively?

03:42 In simple words, can this decision affect the election of the Senate and the President?

03:47 Today's decision will not affect anything.

03:50 Because they have said that this is for the future.

03:53 In the future, these parties will not be a part of any legislation.

03:57 They will not vote on any legislation or on any amendment to the constitution.

04:01 But to the extent of the past, they have not said anything.

04:04 They have said that whatever happened in the past is safe for now.

04:07 But if in the final decision it is said that these seats were given incorrectly,

04:11 these members were never members of the parliament in the spirit of law and constitution,

04:17 then the events that have taken place in that case,

04:20 the election of the Senate, the election of the President,

04:24 will probably not affect anything there.

04:27 But anyway, all these matters will have to be looked at again.

04:31 But the election of the Senate will have the greatest impact.

04:35 If the seats that are made for us,

04:38 the proportion of the Sunni Unity Council in the parliament,

04:42 we get them in that regard, which we think we should get.

04:46 In that case, the election of the Senate, in my opinion, will have to be made again.

04:52 Because in the provinces, how many members of the Senate we could elect,

04:57 there will be a change in that.

04:59 So the election of the Senate will probably have to be done again.

05:03 We will have to see in reference to the election of the President of the country,

05:06 that does it make any difference to us if we get these seats back.

05:10 If it doesn't make a difference, then it is possible that that election will not be touched.

05:15 But if the decision remains the same as that of the Peshawar High Court,

05:19 then we will remain where we were before today.

05:22 So sir, walk me through both situations.

05:24 If the larger bench gives you relief, will the election of the Senate be held again?

05:28 And if you don't get the reserve seats,

05:30 then the other political parties that have been divided will remain in the same status.

05:35 And they will remain with them.

05:37 But if we get the seats, then it is absolutely fine, it is according to the constitution.

05:42 If we are not given the seats and the decision of the Peshawar High Court is maintained,

05:47 then the seats that have been given will remain there.

05:50 So we have to see whether the Supreme Court or the Peshawar High Court

05:55 keeps the decision of the Supreme Court or rejects it.

05:58 And whether it gives us the seats that are made for us in accordance with the constitution or not.

06:03 We have a lot of hope that we will get these seats.

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