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00:00 Assalamu alaikum, dear viewers, welcome to our first program of the week.

00:05 We will talk about the wheat scandal.

00:10 The Supreme Court has heard the Faizabad Commission case.

00:14 We will also hear the panel's opinion on what happened today.

00:18 The Judicial Reforms Committee has been formed.

00:21 What is the government trying to do? What is the government's opinion?

00:24 This will also be part of the program.

00:26 Let's first move to today's top story.

00:28 A big decision has been made by the Supreme Court of Pakistan.

00:32 Three member benches heard the case today.

00:36 The head of this bench was Senior Peonate Judge, who will become the Chief Justice.

00:42 After the current Chief Justice, under the leadership of Justice Mansoor Ali Shah,

00:46 Justice Muhammad Ali Mazhar and Justice Atar Manila have reviewed the case.

00:51 "Only the winning benches of political parties can get special benches," Justice Atar Manila said.

00:59 "It is not written in the law that the remaining benches should be distributed among those parties."

01:05 Justice Mansoor's question is, "We have to protect the public mandate."

01:10 "The real issue is the public mandate," Justice Mansoor's remarks.

01:14 "If no party has electoral votes, will it lose its right to be a candidate?"

01:19 This was also a question raised.

01:21 "Can the political party take more or fewer special benches according to its winning seats?"

01:28 Justice Mansoor's question.

01:30 "The Sunni Council did not get benches because it did not apply," was also a question.

01:35 "It is written clearly in the constitution that there will be a suitable representation in the parliament,"

01:40 These are very important remarks from Justice Mansoor Ali Shah.

01:44 "How can the parliamentary party be excluded from the special benches?"

01:49 Justice Atar Manila also asked.

01:51 "How did the Election Commission establish a mutual stand?"

01:55 Justice Atar Manila.

01:56 "It is against the mandate to give someone's seats to someone else," Justice Mansoor Ali Shah's remarks.

02:03 "One member of the Election Commission said that the seats cannot be given to anyone else,"

02:08 Justice Atar Manila also said.

02:10 "On what basis did the other members distribute the seats to other parties?"

02:17 This was a decision made on the basis of the Election Commission.

02:20 Justice Atar Manila asked.

02:23 "How can the basic principles of the constitution be rejected on the basis of not giving a list?"

02:30 Justice Mansoor Ali Shah said.

02:32 "The constitution is clear that the representation will be suitable and the parliamentary mandate will be visible."

02:38 "You can give any name, but more seats cannot be given to these parties."

02:44 "Is distributing more seats against the principles of the constitution?"

02:48 "We are accepting the case for hearing."

02:51 "We are postponing the decision of the Election Commission and the High Court."

02:55 "The postponement of the decision will only be to the extent of giving additional seats."

02:59 "The Supreme Court has also said that the members who take additional seats after the decision will not be able to participate in the proceedings of the members."

03:08 "The Supreme Court has postponed the decision of the Election Commission and the Peshawar High Court."

03:13 "The case will be heard again on the basis of 3 June."

03:17 "The Supreme Court has sent the case to the Judges Committee on the issue of special seats."

03:22 "The Judges Committee will decide whether to give a larger bench or the existing bench will hear this case."

03:28 "The case is in front of you, a famous case."

03:32 "Sunit Haidt Council, which was joined by the supporters of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf, Azad Umidwaru."

03:38 "After that, the case was heard."

03:41 "The Election Commission gave its decision on it."

03:43 "The case was also heard in the Peshawar High Court."

03:46 "The Peshawar High Court also supported the decision of the Election Commission."

03:50 "And then Sunit Haidt Council was deprived of its reserve seats."

03:54 "Mr. Shahbaz Khosla, the lawyer of the Supreme Court, is with us."

03:58 "We will talk to him."

03:59 "Mr. Khosla, thank you very much for giving time."

04:01 "Mr. Khosla, first of all, I will talk about the decision of the Election Commission."

04:05 "One of the five-member bench members had opposed it."

04:09 "They are making the basis of Article 51, Subclass 6 of the Constitution."

04:16 "And Section 104 of the Election Act."

04:19 "Article 51, Subclass 6 says how the National Assembly will be formed."

04:26 "And the whole matter is described in it."

04:29 "And Section 104 of the Election Act 2017 says that the Election Commission will set a date."

04:38 "Within that date, a political party has to submit a list of its specific seats."

04:46 "And that list was not submitted. So, their right is over."

04:50 "Now, the question is, the decision of today."

04:53 "Of course, there will be more regular proceedings on this."

04:57 "This will be a three-member bench proceeding."

04:59 "Or it will be a larger bench proceeding. We will know that later."

05:03 "When you made this decision today, of the Election Commission, of the Peshawar High Court."

05:09 "In your opinion, what did you think?"

05:14 "That this regular proceeding of Pakistan's specific seats will be unjustified or will it be reduced?"

05:21 "Will the matter be resolved?"

05:23 "First of all, we have to see whether the proceeding will be increased or not."

05:31 "This is not relevant."

05:33 "Whether the law has been properly followed or not, this is the relevant question."

05:38 "The Constitution of Pakistan is an imrani moeda in the people of Pakistan."

05:43 "And it is the basis of the government of Pakistan, on which the government should run."

05:47 "And under which all the laws are made."

05:52 "Under which the institutions take their rights."

05:55 "The biggest law is the Constitution."

05:57 "Article 51(6) of the Constitution clearly states that."

06:02 "The seats of women and minorities will be given according to the proportional representation."

06:12 "The percentage of seats that the Jamaat has won in the general election."

06:18 "The women will be given in that percentage."

06:22 "And in this proportion, the minorities will also be given."

06:27 "And these women and minorities do not get seats in the normal election."

06:32 "They do not fight the elections in the public."

06:37 "They get these special seats because the representation of women and non-Muslims."

06:43 "The purpose was to increase in the national assembly."

06:46 "Because it is difficult for women to fight the general election."

06:49 "And non-Muslims also have to be compared with Muslims."

06:54 "I understand the purpose of this."

06:56 "But in the judgement, they say that it should be added to the 104 section of the 2017 act."

07:02 "So they did not make the list."

07:04 "Yes, look, 104, I will come to this first."

07:07 "The biggest law is the Constitution of Pakistan."

07:11 "If the law is made according to the Constitution of Pakistan, then that law is right."

07:16 "If a law is made that comes into conflict against the Constitution or against the constitution."

07:25 "Then the Constitution will prevail."

07:28 "In this case, the election act is the 2017 act."

07:33 "It is a subordinate piece of legislation."

07:36 "It is much less than the constitution."

07:39 "And there is a rule in this 104."

07:42 "It is written in the 104 rule that the list will be considered by the date."

07:49 "You will not be able to change the list after this date."

07:54 "And on the basis of this rule, the party that has won a few seats in the election commission."

08:02 "Gives more seats to the party that has won a few seats."

08:04 "So this is an anomaly that has been created which does not even appeal to common sense."

08:08 "But Khosla sir, I will take you to the judgement of the Peshawar High Court."

08:12 "The judgement of the Peshawar High Court makes its basis."

08:16 "Article 224 of the constitution says that no seat of the National Assembly can be kept vacant for more than 120 days."

08:23 "So these seats had to be filled."

08:26 "After that, the autonomy of the election commission."

08:29 "You hold the autonomy that the election commission is a constitutional institution."

08:33 "So they have decided that this decision should be accepted."

08:37 "And then they also talk about section 104."

08:40 "That this is also an ultra-virus and this is the right of the election commission."

08:43 "So the Peshawar High Court went to article 224."

08:47 "Sir, I will say this with great respect and apology that the article 224 was upholded by the election commission in the Peshawar High Court."

08:57 "It was wrongly upholded."

08:59 "Seats should be kept vacant and seats should be filled in a wrong way."

09:03 "This is a monkey's talk."

09:05 "If they had filled the seats in the right way, it would have been absolutely fine."

09:10 "Article 224 applies."

09:12 "But because the seats were filled in a wrong way, it is absolutely right."

09:17 "And the Supreme Court's decision is absolutely right."

09:20 "It has been given primacy, more authority to article 51 of the Constitution over the election law."

09:27 "It's a simple thing."

09:28 "If any law is against the Constitution, then the Constitution will prevail and it will have to give that law."

09:36 "Khawaja sahib, you are with us. H.O.I. sir, this is your opinion from the beginning."

09:41 "And I think, Mr. Nagvi and all of us are sitting in this program, we have the same opinion."

09:46 "Hassan Ayub is not here, he has gone on vacation. His opinion was different."

09:50 "So, do you think they will get the seats back?"

09:53 "Seats were taken in a wrong way."

09:57 "It was snatched and then it was distributed."

10:01 "And the Election Commission did everything in its power."

10:11 "They did not need to hold a free, fair, impartial election."

10:16 "They took every step and finally gave a statement."

10:21 "That if they don't fight against a particular party, then I will fight alone."

10:28 "For the sake of Allah."

10:31 "This is the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, which has a constitution."

10:36 "And it is a constitutional institution."

10:40 "So, I will allow them to go and jump in the ravine."

10:46 "Because it is a constitutional institution."

10:49 "Who gave you the right?"

10:51 "First, they snatched their vote."

10:53 "Then, they threw their party out."

10:56 "Then, they won."

10:58 "The people of Pakistan, who were against you, threw them out."

11:04 "They gave their candidates, who had never been in Pakistan."

11:09 "Then, you did not stay there."

11:11 "Nagvi Sahib, it seems that your opinion is slowly prevailing."

11:14 "The remarks in the Supreme Court today."

11:16 "The decision of the Election Commission and the Peshawar High Court has been overturned."

11:20 "But before going to you, our respected Law Minister has objected."

11:26 "Mr. Tariq."

11:27 "He said that if the larger bench had decided, then it would have been appropriate."

11:30 "The case of Motli."

11:32 "He referred to Article 51 and referred to 106."

11:35 "And also referred to Article 67."

11:38 "Because this has been stopped."

11:41 "The women who were present at the special sessions."

11:44 "They should not have been involved in the legislation."

11:47 "The larger bench should have been waited for."

11:49 "Your thoughts."

11:51 "Look, I am not a lawmaker."

11:54 "And even if I was, I would not have spoken about it."

11:57 "Because we should not have set up courts."

11:59 "There is a case in the court."

12:01 "Anyway, I have been saying from the first day."

12:03 "That if these special sessions are not of the Sunni Unity Council."

12:06 "Then it is not of the United Nations either."

12:08 "And morally, the United Nations should not have taken these sessions."

12:11 "But the biggest beneficiary of this decision today."

12:15 "It is the government of Pakistan."

12:17 "Why? You must be very surprised to know why."

12:20 "The system is spinning in circles."

12:22 "The system is spinning in circles continuously."

12:26 "And as long as the system keeps spinning in circles."

12:28 "The government will keep benefiting."

12:30 "Remember, today some people are playing wedding drums."

12:32 "Tomorrow they will make noise."

12:34 "The day after tomorrow they will play wedding drums."

12:36 "After two days they will make noise again."

12:38 "Similarly, there are some people who are making noise."

12:40 "Then they will play wedding drums."

12:41 "Then they will play noise."

12:42 "Then they will play wedding drums."

12:43 "This process will continue."

12:44 "It will not stop."

12:45 "The system will keep spinning in circles."

12:46 "The Pakistani people need to understand this."

12:50 "This is one thing."

12:51 "Secondly, my respected Chaudhary sir."

12:52 "In every program he says that a historic victory was achieved."

12:55 "A historic victory was achieved."

12:57 "I will say a small thing."

12:58 "Imran Khan sir went to America."

13:00 "When he returned from America."

13:01 "He said at the airport that he had won the World Cup."

13:04 "He won the World Cup in such a way that."

13:06 "What is the connection with that?"

13:07 "The Indians had completely occupied Kashmir."

13:10 "We won like this."

13:11 "I will answer Chaudhary sir."

13:12 "Khosa sir, taking advantage of your presence."

13:14 "Khosa sir, I have two questions."

13:15 "Two questions are that."

13:16 "The people who came for these special sessions."

13:20 "They voted for the election of the Senate."

13:23 "Senators were elected from Punjab."

13:25 "From the center here."

13:27 "And after that the election of the President of Pakistan was also held."

13:30 "On these votes."

13:32 "So, shed light on this."

13:34 "Now, this case will go ahead."

13:36 "So, can these questions be raised in the future?"

13:38 "Look, there is no doubt about this."

13:42 "That the votes of the Speaker of the Senate."

13:45 "And the Speaker of the National Assembly."

13:47 "And the President's election."

13:49 "The votes in these."

13:51 "These are the votes of the special sessions."

13:53 "These were 22 special sessions."

13:55 "16 PMLN, 5 PPP, 1 JUI, 1 MQM."

13:59 "Besides this, in the National and Senate."

14:02 "So, it is obvious that."

14:04 "Its impact."

14:06 "So, the effect happened."

14:07 "But still, the majority is theirs."

14:09 "The way this union is made."

14:12 "So, if this election will be held again."

14:14 "So, they will probably take the same seats."

14:17 "But this election is definitely in question mark."

14:19 "And I will completely second what Chaudhary Ghulam Hussain said."

14:25 "That the Election Commission is a regular institution."

14:29 "But these are all regular institutions."

14:32 "And if the regular institutions go beyond their limits."

14:35 "And do some other regular work."

14:37 "Then the courts are set up to correct such work."

14:41 "There is no other reason for the courts."

14:43 "If the courts have to put a seal on the government."

14:49 "Then the system of the King's safety."

14:51 "Which was in the 16th century, was going on properly."

14:54 "This is the concept of separation of power and independence of judiciary."

14:58 "It has come because."

15:00 "When the government and these institutions."

15:02 "When they go beyond their limits."

15:04 "And cross the law and make some decisions."

15:08 "Then the institutions are made to check their decisions."

15:11 "And the courts are doing the same work."

15:13 "I want to ask a question to Khosla sir."

15:15 "Yes, yes, absolutely."

15:16 "Yes, Naveen sir, ask your question."

15:18 "Look, Khosla sir, I want to ask one thing."

15:20 "Please forgive me if I don't know about it."

15:22 "When a member takes the oath."

15:24 "Then he becomes a member of the National Assembly or the Sub-Assembly."

15:28 "After that, if his membership is over."

15:31 "Then it is called a non-membership."

15:34 "That he was removed from that membership."

15:36 "Or his membership was terminated."

15:38 "It will be like this."

15:39 "Now we have seen two ministers."

15:41 "Who were removed by the Supreme Court."

15:43 "So all the decisions made during those two ministers."

15:46 "When they were removed."

15:47 "So were all those decisions terminated?"

15:49 "Or all those decisions remained intact?"

15:51 "If all those decisions remained intact."

15:53 "Then the decisions made by these members."

15:55 "Whether to vote for anyone or to legislate."

15:57 "Will it remain intact or will it be terminated?"

15:59 "Look, there are two examples here."

16:01 "When Musharraf sir had put up an emergency on 3rd November."

16:05 "So on that, a decision of the Lanchar Bench of the Sindh High Court Bar Association was made."

16:10 "They declared that period as 'Kala Dham'."

16:13 "That it did not happen."

16:15 "And then the steps taken in that period."

16:19 "Those steps were written in that judgment one by one."

16:22 "And they were given protection."

16:24 "That we have taken these steps."

16:26 "Because they have already happened."

16:28 "They have already had an effect."

16:29 "So we protect them."

16:31 "But we did not accept that whole period."

16:33 "You gave the example of two ministers."

16:36 "One was the Minister of Justice."

16:38 "Hamza Shahbaz Sharif sir."

16:40 "Whose entire tenure was removed."

16:44 "So that he never remained the Minister of Justice."

16:48 "Now that Minister of Justice."

16:49 "In the history of Pakistan."

16:51 "He does not exist."

16:52 "He just became and he became and left."

16:54 "But if his actions are protected."

16:57 "They will be protected in the judgment."

16:59 "Otherwise they will not be."

17:00 "Yes, viewers, let me tell you."

17:02 "As Khush said."

17:03 "That in the National Assembly."

17:05 "The seats of Sunnit Hath Council."

17:07 "Split into two parties."

17:09 "If we can show that slide."

17:11 "Noon League has got 16."

17:13 "And People's Party has got 5."

17:15 "MQM and JUI have got one each."

17:17 "So there are a total of 23 seats."

17:19 "If this decision is made in the National Assembly."

17:21 "Which is obvious, the Supreme Court will decide."

17:23 "It will be returned to Sunnit Hath Council."

17:26 "Similarly, in Punjab there are 24 reserve seats."

17:30 "This will be returned."

17:31 "Which was given to the other party."

17:33 "In the other parties."

17:34 "Mostly the Pakistan Muslim League got it."

17:36 "In the Sindh Assembly there are 3 special seats."

17:38 "And similarly in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa."

17:41 "There are 25 special seats."

17:43 "Which were notified."

17:45 "But there was no oath taking."

17:47 "Mr. Naqvi, your question."

17:49 "Basically the question that was raised on it."

17:52 "Today, the law minister raised it."

17:55 "On Article 67."

17:57 "So what I am understanding, Mr. Kho."

17:59 "If there were seats in such a large number."

18:03 "The constitution of the National Assembly."

18:06 "Or any house."

18:07 "If it would have made a big difference."

18:09 "Then I think the Supreme Court could have taken notice."

18:12 "But it won't make a big difference."

18:14 "So I think the question you raised."

18:17 "It won't affect it."

18:19 "Yes."

18:20 "Mr. Kho."

18:22 "Yes, as I said earlier."

18:25 "If a person is made a member in a wrong way."

18:29 "If his position is illegal."

18:33 "Then he is illegal."

18:35 "His vote won't count."

18:37 "But because he has the majority."

18:39 "The rest of the votes will count."

18:41 "So I think the legislation and the work."

18:44 "I think they will get protection from the court."

18:47 "But at this time they have question marks."

18:49 "Let's move to the next story."

18:51 "The roundabout one that I talked about."

18:53 "Mr. Chetan, if you have any questions."

18:55 "Regarding this decision."

18:57 "My question is from People of Pakistan."

19:00 "They say that the people we gave the vote."

19:03 "You didn't make them a member in the National Assembly."

19:06 "The people we gave the vote."

19:08 "You didn't make them a member in the Assembly."

19:10 "You can't move forward without the confirmation of 45."

19:14 "And the people who have worked in the Assembly."

19:17 "The President, the Prime Minister, etc."

19:20 "All these things are in the Supreme Court."

19:22 "Let's move to the next story."

19:24 "The government has made a parliamentary decision."

19:26 "Regarding judicial reforms."

19:28 "And the judicial reforms."

19:30 "The most focus is on Article 175 of the Constitution."

19:35 "Article 175 talks about the establishment of the Supreme Court."

19:40 "After that Article 175a talks about."

19:43 "The judicial reforms in the Supreme Court and High Court."

19:48 "And the reforms."

19:51 "In this period."

19:53 "When the package is being discussed."

19:56 "And various statements are coming forward."

19:58 "And then it will be said that there is an extension."

20:00 "A constitutional amendment is going to be made with the majority."

20:04 "What did our respected Law Minister say?"

20:07 "Listen to that first."

20:08 "How much truth is there in the news."

20:10 "That you are bringing a judicial package."

20:12 "In which either the term of Chief Justice."

20:15 "Will be extended to 3 years."

20:17 "Or the retirement of Supreme Court judges."

20:19 "Will be extended to 68 years."

20:20 "This is a suggestion."

20:21 "Because in the last 2-3 months."

20:23 "It has been said before."

20:25 "That this is the biggest office."

20:27 "Of the judiciary."

20:29 "In this, many times."

20:32 "We have had such times."

20:34 "And such capable people have come."

20:36 "Who had the opportunity to set up an institution."

20:39 "But they did not have time."

20:41 "Every body has its own opinion."

20:43 "Various people have their own opinion."

20:45 "But I am stating."

20:46 "Officially stating."

20:47 "That I have no such interest."

20:49 "In the Ministry of Law and Justice."

20:51 This debate has started.

20:54 And Mr. Tariq has said.

20:56 "I don't have any direct instructions from the government."

20:59 "No suggestions."

21:00 Mr. Rana Sinhawala.

21:01 He is also a part of the Cabinet.

21:03 He is the senior leader of Nonli.

21:05 When this question was put in front of him.

21:07 He supported this.

21:09 "There should be a fixed tenure."

21:12 "The tenure of the Chief Justice."

21:15 "Whether he increases or not."

21:17 "But the tenure should be fixed."

21:20 "Now here it has happened."

21:22 "That for 8-8 months."

21:23 "In fact, the Chief Justice has been appointed for 14 days."

21:26 "So this is a joke."

21:29 "And there is no such institution."

21:32 "Whose tenure is not fixed."

21:35 "So both these matters have been discussed."

21:40 "And most of the time."

21:43 "This is also discussed in Judiciary."

21:46 "This is also discussed on the side of Bars."

21:49 "And then it comes to the government."

21:53 "The tenure of the Chief Justice of this highest institution."

21:57 "Should be fixed."

21:59 Viewers.

22:01 Pakistan's Chief Justice Baris Al Gohar.

22:03 He is saying that reforms are necessary.

22:05 All political parties agree to this.

22:07 But if there is to be a specific individual legislation.

22:10 We will oppose it.

22:12 "There should not be a person-based legislation."

22:15 "Much less that you make an amendment to the Constitution."

22:18 "We are not supporting it at any cost."

22:21 "No judge should have any influence on it."

22:24 "Which was decided by the article 175A."

22:27 "Which was decided by the article 185A."

22:31 "And after that, this matter should not be touched."

22:36 "This is our point."

22:38 "Khurshid Sahib, the question here is basically that."

22:41 "You know that after today's decision."

22:44 "The big effect of it is that."

22:46 "A two-third majority government."

22:49 "Had already met with these special sessions."

22:52 "When it has been reversed."

22:54 "These women have now been banned from participating in voting."

22:57 "Therefore, the number of 224 in the National Assembly."

23:00 "And 67 in the Senate."

23:02 "It seems that because the elections are yet to be held in the K.P."

23:06 "So that number is not being fulfilled."

23:08 "Now, keeping this in mind."

23:11 "The statements of the government."

23:13 "I don't know what was the reason behind it."

23:16 "You are obviously a part of politics."

23:19 "What do you think, was something happening?"

23:22 "Or was this story just going on in the air?"

23:25 "This was a very strong kind of rumor that was going on in our bars."

23:30 "And it was not just a rumor."

23:32 "Whatever this thing was telling, the source was also telling."

23:35 "And that source was obviously affiliated with the government."

23:38 "And when this question was confronted again and again."

23:41 "With the government officials."

23:43 "So no one clearly answered it in a negative way."

23:46 "Everyone just turned it around."

23:48 "And because of this, Aglia and Gokulam were very restless."

23:52 "See, reforms should definitely be done."

23:55 "Reforms should be done at such a time."

23:57 "And it should be done by a government that is impartial."

24:00 "Not by a government that."

24:02 "That has come forward with its votes from such disputed votes."

24:07 "And then is bringing a self-serving kind of reform."

24:10 "If you have to bring a reform, then why do you have to keep 68 years?"

24:13 "Then you should do life, like it is in America and the way it is in Britain."

24:17 "There, what happens is for life."

24:20 "Even after retirement, you are giving the same salary to the judge."

24:23 "Then apply for a lifetime."

24:25 "And if at this time, any such reform is done at this point."

24:29 "Then it will look like something is being done low and something is being done low."

24:33 "And if you look at it."

24:35 "So this thing that you were telling about Mr. Rana."

24:39 "That he was the Chief Justice for 15 days."

24:41 "When a person retires, the date on which he retires, he retires."

24:45 "Now you were with Mr. Jawad Asghar."

24:47 "He was Chief Justice for a while."

24:49 "The decision he made every day."

24:51 "And the way he took it in the case of the Supreme Court."

24:54 "So that was very heavy for him every day."

24:57 "The judge has to decide on facts."

25:00 "You don't have to decide by looking at your retirement date."

25:03 "Anyway, voices are coming from this judiciary."

25:05 "And this judiciary has its independence."

25:07 "Obviously, this is a public opinion of the other side."

25:10 "Mr. Khurshid, stay with us, take a short break."

25:12 "After the break, we will continue our conversation."

25:15 "Welcome back."

25:16 "Welcome back. Today, we heard another important case in the Supreme Court."

25:20 "This case was heard by the three-member bench."

25:23 "Chief Justice Qazi Faiz Issa headed it."

25:25 "This is the case of Faizabad protest, you know, the famous one."

25:28 "Today, the ruling that came was that."

25:31 "In our opinion, the commission's report is not in accordance with the TORs."

25:35 "When Chief Justice Qazi Faiz Issa heard the ruling, he said."

25:40 "The commission intervened in such matters that were not in the TORs."

25:45 "Chief Justice Qazi Faiz Issa."

25:47 "The inquiry commission did not see all the people on the level of equality."

25:51 "Chief Justice Qazi Faiz Issa."

25:53 "The commission took a statement against someone and accepted someone's statement in the same way."

25:58 "Chief Justice Qazi Faiz Issa."

26:00 "The inquiry commission ignored the Supreme Court's decisions."

26:03 "The commission targeted political people."

26:06 "But ignored the imposters."

26:10 "The inquiry commission ignored those who have intensified it."

26:14 "Chief Justice Qazi Faiz Issa."

26:16 "In our opinion, the report is not in accordance with the TORs."

26:19 "The Supreme Court's ruling is surprising."

26:22 "No member of the movement was recorded."

26:26 "The Supreme Court's ruling."

26:28 "The Supreme Court has asked the commission for a written response to the court's observations."

26:33 "The inquiry commission asked the Attorney General."

26:35 "Whether the government accepts the commission's report or not."

26:38 "The Attorney General said that there is no solid evidence in the report."

26:42 "The Attorney General said that the government will take guidance and inform."

26:46 "The Supreme Court has asked the commission for a written response to the court's observations."

26:51 "Now, this is a non-monetary period."

26:53 "Now, this is a hearing. It has been made a national one."

26:55 "Mr. Khosla, before you leave, please tell us."

26:57 "What is your view on the Faizabad Darnar Commission case?"

27:03 "Look, a lot of important progress has been made today."

27:07 "And the remarks of Chief Justice are very important."

27:11 "But in today's case, whether it is so important or not."

27:14 "The case of 6 judges that was filed yesterday."

27:16 "And the interference of 6 judges."

27:19 "And after that, the judiciary of all the provinces of Pakistan."

27:23 "Endorsed that interference."

27:26 "And told that this interference is going on in their provinces as well."

27:29 "And how these cases of interference in the judiciary."

27:33 "And all this happens."

27:35 "A commission was also made in that, as a government."

27:37 "And as a commission, look at the observations of the judges in this judgment."

27:43 "So, that's why these remarks are very important."

27:46 "But for tomorrow's case."

27:47 "And I hope, as tomorrow's case was progressing."

27:51 "On the last date, all the judges asked for a permit to come out of interference."

27:57 "All asked from the district court, all asked from the high court, all asked from the judges."

28:01 "All those permits have come."

28:04 "They are very interesting permits."

28:06 "And they are on the same line."

28:08 "If the judiciary of Pakistan."

28:11 "Succeeds in implementing them."

28:14 "Absolutely, thank you very much for giving us time."

28:17 "I would like to ask a question."

28:19 "Khawar bhai, before Khawar bhai leaves."

28:21 "If you can hear me, Nakeesh sir wants to ask a question."

28:23 "Yes, Nakeesh sir, please."

28:25 "Khawar bhai, I would like to ask a small question."

28:27 "You said that you raised a question on the legitimacy of the parliament."

28:30 "And the court's decision."

28:32 "So, if we assume that the parliament is not legitimate."

28:35 "So, there are three ways to do it."

28:37 "Either the parliament should be terminated."

28:39 "Or the president of Pakistan should issue an emergency."

28:41 "Or the legal forums should be visited."

28:44 "And the questions that are raised."

28:48 "Should be contested."

28:49 "What do you say about this?"

28:51 "Sir, the thing is, there are two things."

28:54 "If there is any disqualification that comes later."

28:57 "Like the Prime Minister's contempt created."

29:00 "Later."

29:02 "You talked about legitimacy."

29:04 "That the parliament is not so legitimate."

29:06 "I am talking about that, what you talked about."

29:08 "Sir, I am not saying that the whole parliament is illegitimate."

29:10 "I am talking about the people who have been given wrong seats."

29:14 "You said that there is a big question on the credibility of the parliament."

29:16 "Khawar bhai, please listen to the answer."

29:18 "Sir, the thing that is wrong from the first day."

29:22 "That is wrong from the first day."

29:24 "But there is one thing that during the..."

29:26 "Do you think that the legal forums should be visited?"

29:28 "Or should the martial law be issued?"

29:30 "Sir, I am talking about the legal forums."

29:32 "There is no doubt about it."

29:34 "Yes, so the legal forums should be visited."

29:36 "The tribunals should be visited."

29:38 "To make the parliament legitimate."

29:40 "The legal forums should be visited."

29:42 "And the tribunals should be visited."

29:44 "This is a simple answer."

29:46 "And the Supreme Court is the highest legal forum."

29:50 "Who has given this statement."

29:52 "Thank you very much, Khosla."

29:54 "Sir, the issue that you raised."

29:56 "The problem is that you are answering it yourself."

29:58 "You are answering it yourself."

30:00 "They say that there is a National Assembly."

30:02 "And in the National Assembly, the 23 people."

30:04 "According to your own opinion."

30:06 "This right of theirs is not..."

30:08 "I did not talk about the 23 people."

30:10 "Overall, what Mr. Chaudhary said."

30:12 "And what Mr. Shehbaz said."

30:14 "I said that whatever has been said."

30:16 "Why did it not go to the legal forums?"

30:18 "Sir, there is a method."

30:20 "I asked this question."

30:22 "I am the biggest fan of the 23 people."

30:24 "You should have their decisions within a certain time period."

30:26 "Not that the decision should go on for 5-10 years."

30:28 "The decision should go on."

30:30 "The audience is also present."

30:32 "If not, then the forum is also present."

30:34 "Absolutely."

30:36 "Neither Mr. Chaudhary nor anyone else suggests."

30:38 "That we should take a gun."

30:40 "Or any political party should take a gun."

30:42 "The fight has come to the legal forums."

30:44 "And where did the martial law come from?"

30:46 "Mr. Naveen, you do not let martial law come in the tenth time."

30:48 "The train has spoiled."

30:50 "If the parliament is so big."

30:52 "How can martial law be finished?"

30:54 "How can the non-constitutional parliament be finished?"

30:56 "It was put before the Supreme Court."

30:58 "The Supreme Court has to decide."

31:00 "You will remember the Supreme Court."

31:02 "When a wrong decision was made in the past."

31:04 "You know about vote up no confidence."

31:06 "The Supreme Court said that you have made a wrong decision."

31:08 "So in front of the Supreme Court."

31:10 "Mr. Khosla is also saying that whatever happens now."

31:12 "First, the tribunals have to go for the election results."

31:14 "Sir, the tribunals have to go for the election results."

31:16 "So they have gone."

31:18 "They have gone."

31:20 "Ladies and gentlemen, give a small break."

31:22 "We will talk about the wheat crisis in the country."

31:24 "What statements are coming out about it?"

31:26 "The former Prime Minister of KTK."

31:28 "What is his point of view on this?"

31:30 "What is his stand?"

31:32 "We will talk about it."

31:34 "And what research is being done by the current government in this regard?"

31:36 "And how long will this report come in front of the public?"

31:38 "Stay with us."

31:40 "Welcome back viewers."

31:42 "Last week when we did the program."

31:44 "We were told good news from the Punjab government."

31:46 "That it will be very soon."

31:48 "That it will be very soon."

31:50 "That it will be very soon."

31:52 "That we will start purchasing."

31:54 "But so far, there has been no change on the ground."

31:56 "Our reporters from Multan and Faisalabad."

31:58 "What facts are they keeping in front of us?"

32:00 "Listen to this."

32:02 "In Multan and the entire south Punjab."

32:04 "The wheat harvest has been almost completed."

32:06 "The wheat has now reached the cities after the harvest."

32:08 "But on the government funds."

32:10 "Which were allocated by the Punjab government for 49 rupees a month."

32:12 "On that."

32:14 "The government has not given a single penny."

32:16 "And the government has not given a single penny."

32:18 "On that, the dream of buying wheat."

32:20 "Has remained just a dream for the farmers."

32:22 "And along with that."

32:24 "The farmers have not been able to pay the interest."

32:26 "Where the cash is being given to the farmers."

32:28 "The wheat rate there."

32:30 "From 2600 to 2800 rupees a month."

32:32 "It is visible in the entire south Punjab."

32:34 "Where the rate is being given above 3000 rupees a month."

32:36 "There the farmers are being bought on loan."

32:38 "From the private sector."

32:40 "And the farmers are being bought on loan."

32:42 "And the farmers are being bought on loan."

32:44 "And the farmers are being bought on loan."

32:46 "From the private sector."

32:48 "The crops that are to come."

32:50 "In which cotton and rice etc."

32:52 "Crops are included."

32:54 "For their cultivation."

32:56 "The farmers are being taken on loan."

32:58 "And the expenses for their cultivation."

33:00 "It is seen to be compulsory to fulfill."

33:02 "Mr. Kamrul Zaman is from Faisalabad."

33:04 "He is reporting from there."

33:06 "Faisalabad is also included in those cities."

33:08 "Where the wheat."

33:10 "The purchase of wheat has not yet begun by the Punjab government."

33:12 "In fact."

33:14 "The farmers are not even being provided with grains."

33:16 "They are being restricted."

33:18 "After which."

33:20 "It will be the turn of buying wheat."

33:22 "The farmer is very worried about this issue."

33:24 "He has to say that his crore rupees."

33:26 "The crops are being destroyed."

33:28 "The chopped wheat is lying in the fields."

33:30 "And still the Punjab government."

33:32 "Because of not being able to buy."

33:34 "He is facing severe difficulties."

33:36 "And the new crops that he has to cultivate."

33:38 "He is also facing problems with that issue."

33:40 "The government rate is 39 rupees per acre."

33:42 "And the farmers are taking wheat from the floor."

33:44 "From 2600 rupees to 3000 rupees."

33:46 "From the farmers."

33:48 "The farmers are being blackmailed."

33:50 "In Faisalabad."

33:52 "At different places."

33:54 "The farmers are standing on the main roads."

33:56 "And they are telling the people."

33:58 "That our wheat should be bought."

34:00 "Viewers, Mr. Rana Tanveer."

34:04 "The current Prime Minister of the government."

34:06 "What did he say?"

34:08 "Who caused all this destruction?"

34:10 "The Punjab government."

34:12 "No, the KTK government."

34:14 "Has made some bad reports."

34:16 "Which created problems."

34:18 "At that time."

34:20 "The permission that was given."

34:22 "Was more than that."

34:24 "So the Prime Minister had made an inquiry committee."

34:26 "He has given a report today."

34:28 "In which all the facts have been told."

34:30 "What happened."

34:32 "And that was very unfortunate."

34:34 "That it should not have been done."

34:36 "It should not have been done."

34:38 "But Anwarul Haq Qadir."

34:40 "KTK Prime Minister."

34:42 "Over the weekend I saw."

34:44 "In different television programs."

34:46 "The decisions that were taken during his government."

34:48 "He is defending it."

34:50 "And he is saying that."

34:52 "We have followed all the official processes."

34:54 "There is a storm in the tea cup."

34:56 "400, 300, 85 billion."

34:58 "These are generated stories."

35:00 "The process has been followed."

35:02 "So there is approval in the cabinet."

35:04 "Of course."

35:06 "That you procure 1 million tonnes."

35:08 "Through Commerce made TCP."

35:10 "Which approval."

35:12 "After giving in October."

35:14 "We reviewed it."

35:16 "And we reversed the cabinet decision."

35:18 "Anwarul Haq Qadir was in charge."

35:20 "I am owning it."

35:22 "I am ready to take the handcuff."

35:24 "We saved your money."

35:26 "We had to do this procurement."

35:28 "With the money of Pakistan's exchequer."

35:30 "Which we refused."

35:32 "Private sector."

35:34 "We encouraged."

35:36 "We allowed."

35:38 "We facilitated."

35:40 "The import."

35:42 "We earned a few million dollars in your treasury."

35:44 "And gave it to you."

35:46 "Has anyone called you to the committee?"

35:48 "No, I was not called officially."

35:50 "Why not?"

35:52 "Mr. Kakar has said clearly."

35:54 "I am firm on the decisions I have made."

35:56 "The committee calls me."

35:58 "To investigate me."

36:00 "Do you think the current government."

36:02 "Is responsible for this?"

36:04 "You are the responsible one."

36:06 "We also do our part."

36:08 "If there is one thing."

36:10 "That we say this is wrong."

36:12 "But look at this."

36:14 "What a great work."

36:16 "People are crying."

36:18 "I have seen everything."

36:20 "On the way."

36:22 "What is the situation."

36:24 "You know everything."

36:26 "Someone should fear God."

36:28 "Stop it."

36:30 "After all he is an honorable man."

36:32 "I will pay him."

36:34 "We have less time."

36:36 "We will continue this story tomorrow."

36:38 "The report will be out tomorrow."

36:40 "We will discuss the current government."

36:42 "That's all for today."

36:44 "We will meet again tomorrow."

The Reporters | Khawar Ghumman & Chaudhry Ghulam Hussain | ARY News | 6th May 2024

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