It's draft week on the Greg Bedard Patriots Podcast, Join Greg and Nick for an in-depth analysis of the New England Patriots' draft strategies and possibilities. This week, they break down the latest draft week headlines and discuss crucial questions faci

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It's draft week on the Greg Bedard Patriots Podcast, Join Greg and Nick for an in-depth analysis of the New England Patriots' draft strategies and possibilities. This week, they break down the latest draft week headlines and discuss crucial questions facing the Patriots as they head into one of the most pivotal drafts in franchise history.   EPISODE TIMELINE:  0:00 Russini/Graff: Jonathan Kraft “heavily involved”  12:40 MassLive: The offers for #3 have been “laughable”...Waiting for a serious offer”...  16:40 Is #11-#23-’25 1st Rd pick enough from Minnesota?  20:00 What would you need from the Giants to move to #6? (#6 - #49 - #70 this year)  25:25 Jayden Daniels mom involved? Las Vegas?  27:18 Consider trading to No. 13?  28:52 ScoutD on Twitter (Followed by Schefter): Pats have unprecedented offers…Likely stay.  29:50 If it was Maye vs Move Down w/ no 2nd move figured out: What do you do?  31:17 Who is on top of their board: Maye or Daniels?  34:09 How much difference do you think they see b/w Penix & McCarthy?  37:05 Will Patriots trade for a veteran WR?  ﻿Check Greg's Coverage out over at www.bostonsportsjournal.com, for $50 on BSJ's annual plan. Not only do you get top-notch analysis of all the Boston pro sports, but if you're a Patriots junkie — and if you're listening to this podcast, you are — then a membership at BSJ gives you access to a ton of video analysis Bedard does on the coaches film, and direct access to him in weekly chats.  This episode of the Greg Bedard Patriots Podcast w/ Nick Cattles is brought to you by:  PrizePicks! Get in on the excitement with PrizePicks, America’s No. 1 Fantasy Sports App, where you can turn your hoops knowledge into serious cash. Download the app today and use code CLNS for a first deposit match up to $100! Pick more. Pick less. It’s that Easy!

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00:00 This is the Greg Bidard Patriots podcast with Nick Cavins.

00:08 It is a busy week.

00:09 It is a crazy week and hopefully for Patriots fans, it is a fantastic week.

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00:43 So Greg, there's a lot to sift through, a lot of rumors over the past 24 hours.

00:48 I want to start with Diana Rossini and Chad Graff over at The Athletic because this became

00:53 the story yesterday.

00:55 Diana began her day by tweeting out that Jonathan Kraft is heavily involved with the

01:03 decision making when it comes to the third pick.

01:05 She said that Elliott Wolfe was running point, but Kraft was heavily involved.

01:12 Tom Curran, Phil Perry last night on early edition, NBC Sports, Boston came out and they

01:18 said, well, Kraft says that they want to be in the loop.

01:21 They want to be in the loop, but they're not necessarily heavily involved.

01:24 They would define heavily involved differently.

01:27 My first question to you is how would you define heavily involved if you're talking

01:34 ownership with a pick like this, Greg?

01:38 So I would describe heavily involved as from what I understand, you know, what they're

01:45 doing that ownership.

01:48 And I don't know if Robert is in town.

01:51 He might be in Palm Beach, but at least, you know, Jonathan is his in his stead.

02:00 But this is about right around here, the weekend before the draft, early in the week through

02:07 the draft.

02:08 This is when ownership gets involved when they get to that small.

02:13 We talked about it last week, that small decision making group.

02:16 And that will on on almost every team that will involve ownership.

02:21 And to me, it's not being heavily involved.

02:25 It's just being regularly involved.

02:27 Now, do I think, is it, would you say it's, it's heavy?

02:32 They're heavier, more heavily involved than they were at this stage under Bill Belichick

02:39 than Gerard Mayo?

02:40 Yeah, I think that's pretty safe to say.

02:43 I think it's all relative whether they're quote unquote heavily involved.

02:49 You know, I do think that they are more involved than they have been, which is natural since

02:55 Bill Belichick isn't here and he made all the decisions and ultimately made his own

03:01 decisions on a lot of things, kept his own counsel.

03:06 But you know, I do think that they ownership, especially Jonathan Kraft is, I do think he's

03:13 more involved.

03:16 But you know, a lot of people want to use this as like the big bad wolf, like Jonathan's

03:22 the big bad wolf in this, in this thing.

03:25 And he's just waiting to pounce and he's going to be like, it's from what I understand, it's

03:31 not that he's just, um, you know, Bill's gone.

03:36 You have Gerard Mayo hasn't been through this, Elliot Wolf, who, you know, hasn't been through

03:40 it in this role.

03:43 You know, somebody's got to somewhat supervise what's going on.

03:47 And so I don't think it's, I don't think it's anything to be alarmed about.

03:52 To me, it's, it's mostly natural.

03:56 To me, it comes down to the final call.

03:58 That's what I want to know.

03:59 I expect ownership to be involved.

04:02 It's the third pick in the draft.

04:05 This is a monumental decision.

04:07 If you stick and pick and you pick a quarterback, I would imagine that ownership is going to

04:12 have some thoughts on that quarterback, but who makes the final call.

04:17 And I think that's the only thing Patriots fans care about.

04:20 And it's really the only thing they should care about.

04:23 Is it the football people making the football decisions from what you understand, Greg,

04:28 that is still the case from the latest you've heard?

04:31 Yes.

04:32 I think that from what I understand, Elliot Wolf and Gerard Mayo are, and I do think,

04:39 I think it's going to be revealed like once we get to, after the draft, maybe after the

04:44 first round, when we hear from, I expect we're going to hear from Wolf and Mayo that night

04:49 at the facility.

04:51 I wouldn't be surprised if they came out and they said, we, what we knew what we were doing

04:56 about two weeks ago, that they had come to a consensus that basically it came down to

05:02 Wolf and Mayo agreeing on who they would pick, depending on what happens at number two with

05:10 Washington.

05:11 We, you know, Elliot sort of hinted at this in his press conference, but I think that

05:16 I think that those two guys are involved in ownership just wants ownership similar to

05:21 when Bill was here.

05:23 They just want to hear their reasoning.

05:25 They want to make sure it's sound.

05:26 They want to ask some questions to, to make sure that they, that the reasoning is sound

05:32 on the pick and that why this is in the best interest of the team.

05:37 But I don't think they're going to heavily weigh in on like, you know, I really liked

05:41 Drake may, I think he's, you know, bigger size, you know, all that.

05:44 I don't think that's happening.

05:45 Yeah.

05:46 I mean, look, if ownership has the final say and they're not allowing the football people

05:51 to make the football decisions, it's a disaster.

05:53 And I have said that I will stand by that.

05:56 There are really no examples of a team being run by its owner with the ownership, making

06:01 these football decisions that has really, you know, created any kind of success.

06:07 We saw what happened with Jerry Jones versus Jimmy Johnson.

06:10 That thing blew up in Jerry's face.

06:12 So if they're making decisions, that's a disaster.

06:16 If they're involved again, I'm fine with it.

06:19 They write the checks.

06:20 They should be involved.

06:21 They should have a voice at the table, just not the deciding voice.

06:26 Under any circumstances, Greg, could you see a front office versus ownership standoff about

06:32 what to do at three?

06:34 No, absolutely not.

06:35 That's not that's not going to happen.

06:39 They're not idiots.

06:40 Just like you said, you're basically setting up the organization for failure when that

06:46 happens.

06:47 No, I do think at the end of the day, the crafts will be at arm's length and they will

06:53 let their football player, football people make the decision.

06:57 Thank God if that is if that's what happens, because that's what should happen.

07:01 How difficult or maybe it's not difficult at all.

07:06 Is the job that Elliott Wolf has to do not only this week, but of course, especially

07:11 on Thursday and during the draft with his contract status, because.

07:17 I could easily push back and say, all right, well, ownership doesn't make the final decision.

07:22 They're not giving the power to the football, but, you know, they they might be giving the

07:26 power, quote unquote, to the football people.

07:28 But Greg, we have a lame duck as the de facto GM.

07:34 And inherently, isn't there some pressure for Elliott to wink, wink, nudge, nudge, agree

07:42 with ownership when they might suggest something?

07:48 In theory, I understand the point.

07:52 I just think when it comes down to both of these people that that are primarily going

07:57 to make the decision on the pick Wolf and Mayo, you are talking about two people that

08:03 have that are supremely confident in what they do now.

08:09 In the case of Gerard Mayo, could it be a little bit false bravado in that he doesn't

08:14 really know he's never been in this position?

08:16 He's never even been close to this position.

08:18 So does he really understand?

08:23 You could say that.

08:24 But I do think when it comes to Elliott Wolf, this is a guy who basically has been dreaming

08:31 of this spot probably since he was about four or five years old, that he has been bred for

08:36 this.

08:37 He has he has been through it with three different teams.

08:42 He has trained for this in basically every aspect of football.

08:46 We all know who his father is.

08:48 I will just say that Elliott Wolf isn't going to give two craps about what ownership has

08:57 to say if if he indeed has the final say, which is what he has told us that he does.

09:04 He knows exactly what he's doing.

09:05 He feels very confident in what he's doing.

09:08 And I think that as long as him and Mayo are on the same page, which from what I understand,

09:14 they are, Elliott's not going to not going to care at all, because in any event, Nick,

09:21 no matter what happens on Thursday night and in this draft for the New England Patriots.

09:26 And I mean, look, I do.

09:28 I think is I guess is there an outside chance that ownership weighs in, you know, like you

09:33 you somewhat suggested hypothetically?

09:36 You know, I guess that's that's possible.

09:39 But I think it's it's much more likely that Elliott Wolf is left him and Mayo to make

09:46 this pick.

09:47 And Mayo understands that.

09:50 The decision that he makes with these draft picks will out, even if the worst happens

09:54 here, that he's out after the draft, I don't know, whatever those selections are going

09:59 to live on forever and be tied to him.

10:01 And he's 100 percent comfortable with that.

10:05 Last one regarding the ownership before we get to some of these rumors and stuff.

10:09 Are you concerned that there are too many agendas or going to be too many agendas in

10:14 the room on draft night?

10:22 A little bit.

10:23 I mean, I do, you know, wonder and I still haven't gotten a straight answer on this,

10:27 exactly what macro's role is in this and going forward.

10:33 But, you know, the bottom line is Wolf and Mayo have been empowered and they're in charge.

10:41 And, you know, especially I feel really good about, you know, Alonzo Highsmith being there

10:47 for Elliott Wolf.

10:50 Those guys are tied at the hip, have been close for a very long time.

10:54 Both have been around the league.

10:55 I think they are they're supremely confident in what they're doing and they're going to

11:03 stick to their board.

11:04 They're going to stick to what they do.

11:06 And so when you do that, when you have the knowledge of scouting and having experience

11:11 with it, plus your methodology for doing it, which goes back to the Packers and how they

11:16 change the grading system, there's a confidence that comes from that.

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12:41 Let's get into some of the reporting now, Greg, about this number three pick, some of

12:45 the offers that have been made, maybe some of the offers that haven't been made.

12:50 MassLive today, Mark Daniels wrote that the offers for number three have been "laughable"

12:58 and that the Patriots are waiting for a "serious offer."

13:02 Meanwhile, Ian Rappaport and Tom Pelissero of the NFL Network have reported that Washington

13:09 has given zero indication that they are moving.

13:13 Certainly seems like at this hour, Washington is sticking and picking.

13:16 They're happy with two.

13:17 They're going to draft a quarterback at two.

13:19 However, Ian and Tom also mentioned that New England would move.

13:26 They would move out of three if they got the right offer, but they haven't seen that offer

13:33 on the table just yet.

13:36 A lot of talk about the Patriots moving out.

13:39 A lot of talk about the Patriots looking at possible deals.

13:44 Greg, I read this, I read things like laughable, serious offer.

13:50 It feels to me like the Patriots are now trying to put their foot on the neck of a team to

13:57 force them to give as much as the Patriots want them to give.

14:02 Is plan A, are we to believe that plan A is now moving out of number three?

14:09 I don't believe that.

14:10 I think that plan A is stick and pick whichever quarterback, Daniels or May, is there for

14:17 them.

14:18 If for some reason, both of them are there, I think that Daniels is higher on their board

14:24 than May is.

14:26 I think to me, this is just part of Elliott Wolfe primarily.

14:35 Let's just say that he's very much enjoying that nobody has any idea what the Patriots

14:40 are going to do as far as quarterback, trading down.

14:43 This is all by design to me.

14:46 I think this is all misinformation that's out there.

14:49 Like I said, I think it's going to come out after the draft that, I don't know, whether

14:54 it was two, three, four weeks ago, what have you.

14:57 It was probably right after the top 30 visits.

15:00 This would be what, a couple of weeks ago, I think by the time we get to the draft that

15:05 I think that the Patriots knew exactly what they were going to do.

15:10 It doesn't hurt anything to put things out there to see if a team gets stupid.

15:18 You just never know.

15:21 Could the Raiders get absurdly stupid and throw Devontae Adams in there, the Vikings,

15:26 Justin Jefferson?

15:28 You never know.

15:29 I think that not knowing what the Patriots are doing at number three, they're hoping

15:33 that it drives other teams crazy to the point that they make an insane offer.

15:39 Maybe they, I mean, you at least have to consider it.

15:42 By the way, no Felger, I don't think that there's anything wrong with that, which knowing

15:48 what you're going to do, but also picking up the phone and listening, I don't think

15:53 that there's anything wrong with that.

15:56 It's so funny you bring that up because that's exactly what I was going to ask you is if

15:59 you love the guy, do you just pick?

16:05 Do you just take the pick and say, "No, we love the guy and no offer is a good enough

16:09 offer to turn down the opportunity to draft this young man."

16:15 I think to make it easy, yes, that's the easiest thing to do.

16:21 Sometimes at the beginning of this process, early stages, I looked at it and said, "If

16:24 you love him, pick him.

16:25 Don't overthink it."

16:27 But there are details.

16:28 There are details.

16:29 There are things that happen.

16:32 And if a team is so crazy, then you at least have to entertain it, which leads me to let's

16:39 talk crazy.

16:40 Let's talk about the bag.

16:42 Everybody's bringing up the bag.

16:44 People define the bag differently, Greg.

16:47 So let's run through a couple of scenarios.

16:49 Let's start with Minnesota since that is the hottest over the last few weeks as far as

16:55 trade rumors go.

16:58 Minnesota calls you, Greg.

17:00 They offer you number 11, number 23, a 2025 first round pick.

17:07 If you're Elliott Wolfe, is that enough?

17:10 No, it's not.

17:13 I need more.

17:14 Now, I don't think that the Vikings have a second round pick in 2025.

17:22 I propose this in my column on Sunday, at least looking at it, the different scenarios.

17:27 And I had 11, 23, 25 first, and a 25 third.

17:34 Just to jump in, the Vikings do not have a second or third round pick.

17:39 So they go from 23 to 108.

17:44 So 108, is that in the fourth round?

17:46 Yes.

17:47 They have two fourth round picks.

17:49 They have 108 and 129.

17:53 I think that, no, that's not even close.

17:57 The only thing that I, along those same lines, let's just use Minnesota as an example.

18:06 I would need some sort of player in that scenario, either Justin Jefferson or Darris Ott to tackle.

18:14 I'm talking, I'm not moving unless it's stupid.

18:17 And here's the other thing.

18:20 I wouldn't love moving with the Vikings because, and here's why I'm somewhat open to moving,

18:27 at least I had the door open a crack, is if you can do what Chicago basically did.

18:34 I'm looking for the Bryce Young, Chicago deal where you're getting multiple first round

18:40 picks and it ends up being the first pick in next year's draft.

18:43 Now, the Raiders, it's possible that if they get stupid and do something like that, I would

18:48 consider it because all of a sudden you'd have your own first round pick and you'd have

18:51 theirs and you're probably talking to top 10 picks next year.

18:55 So as far as the Vikings, no, I need something.

18:58 I need more than just the additional 2025 first round pick.

19:03 Yeah.

19:04 And I'll say it one more time for the people in the back.

19:08 Stop saying three first round picks if you're including the pick swap.

19:12 That irritates the hell out of me.

19:15 If you're trading three, if you say three first round picks, you do not include 11 because

19:20 you're dropping from three to 11.

19:22 You are taking that hit.

19:24 It is a pick swap.

19:25 To me, I want more than 11, 23 and next year's first.

19:30 Absolutely want more than that.

19:32 And if you could have a Daris, all like you said, Greg or a Justin Jefferson, then obviously

19:37 that is a part of the conversation because I think, I think included in this conversation

19:42 about the picks and what you do is you tell me how this all lines up, right?

19:47 Like if, if you make the deal with Minnesota and they deal you, I don't know, Justin Jefferson

19:52 and 23 and next year's first or whatever, just throwing that up against the wall, folks,

19:58 I haven't looked at the rich hill trade chart, so get off my back.

20:02 So if, if, if you're going to make that kind of a deal, well now, you know, if you're the

20:07 Patriots and you say to yourself, okay, well we get Justin Jefferson, could we draft Michael

20:13 Pennix at 23 or move up and draft Michael Pennix, you know, and still have a shot at

20:18 getting a young tackle in the second round.

20:20 And you walk out of this draft with essentially Michael Pennix, Justin Jefferson, young left

20:25 tackle and a future first.

20:28 Well now Michael Pennix makes more sense because if you're plopping Michael Pennix into this

20:34 roster, even if you even given the picks, if you, if you drop Pennix into this roster

20:42 and you have a rookie wide receiver, a rookie left tackle, I don't think Pennix makes as

20:49 much sense under that scenario.

20:51 But if you get a piece that's a veteran proven bonafide left tackle or wide receiver, he

20:57 makes more sense in that kind of a situation.

20:59 All right.

21:00 So the, they are sitting at six.

21:03 They have been rumored to enjoy themselves some Drake May.

21:06 If Daniels goes to in May is sitting there and the giants call you, Greg, they have the

21:11 sixth pick the 49th pick in the 70th pick right now.

21:16 So they have three top 70 picks.

21:18 What do you need from the giants to move from three to six?

21:24 Hmm.

21:26 Um, I would take, I think I would, I think I would, I would need, I would need their

21:40 2025 first.

21:42 And by the way, just one correction.

21:44 So I think you on the Vikings pick the third round pick, I think you were looking at this

21:47 year.

21:48 So they have one away this year.

21:49 I was talking about their third round next year because they don't have a second.

21:53 So yeah.

21:54 So, um, I think I was just looking, uh, I would need to, instead of moon, instead of

22:01 70 this year, I want their first round pick next year.

22:05 And I just wanted to see if they have a first round.

22:07 So it'd be, so it'd be 49 and next year's 49 next year's a first round pick.

22:12 So a second this year and a first next year.

22:14 Yeah, that makes sense.

22:17 Like I said, stupid.

22:18 I mean, it makes sense from our point of view.

22:20 It might not make sense from the giants point of view, but if you're the Patriots, you go

22:23 down to six and if you want a quarterback, you still have a chance at JJ McCarthy.

22:28 You still have a chance at panics.

22:29 If you want to move down again, I think that's getting into silly season talk.

22:32 But the one thing I want to make sure that I bring up and I want to ask you, Greg, a

22:38 lot of people kind of are just looking at this as quarterback versus quarterback when

22:42 that's not the case.

22:44 And what I mean by that is what Elliot Wolf in the front office has to decide is how much

22:50 of a difference is there between the guy you can get at three versus the guy that you can

22:57 get maybe a little bit later in the first round plus the draft capital that you get.

23:03 So what I mean by that is if the Patriots moved down to, if they trade three for, you

23:10 know, 23 and Justin Jefferson in the first next year, now you ask yourself the question,

23:18 is Drake May better than Michael Pennix, Justin Jefferson in the first round pick next year?

23:25 That's the conversation.

23:27 It's not McCarthy versus May or Penix versus May.

23:30 It's who can we get if we move down?

23:33 What do we get out of that move?

23:34 And then you compare that in totality against what you get at number three.

23:39 And I think some people miss that.

23:42 Yeah, I, I, I, I agree with that.

23:45 And I think that, you know, a lot of those conversations, I mean, are, are legit.

23:51 And here to me, the biggest thing in a potential trade down, Nick, and I don't know how you

23:56 feel about this.

23:57 It's about, all right, what can that first round pick look like next year?

24:02 You know, like I just, what I was talking about, whether like, say the Patriots pass

24:05 on a quarterback, they have Jacoby Breset, say they're, you know, middling, you know,

24:10 maybe six, seven wins or something like that.

24:12 And they're like, you know, somewhere 10 to 15, you know, it's that other first round

24:16 pick that you might have, like, say from the Raiders or the Giants, the Giants could be

24:22 asked this coming year.

24:27 So all of a sudden, like now I'm, I'm building up, I got my wide receiver.

24:33 I got my tackle, like I'm building this roster and now I have the ammunition to get whatever

24:38 quarterback I want next, next year.

24:41 And they, you know, they do have preliminary, more than preliminary evaluations on those

24:46 guys right now.

24:48 And you know, are we better off doing that?

24:51 I mean, I don't think it's, I don't think it's crazy to have that conversation.

24:56 And I, and I don't think it means that like, you don't have conviction on the quarterback.

25:01 Again, I think before, you know, before we get too much off the rails and we've talked

25:07 about this, like I believe that the Patriots are pretty convicted on either taking Daniels

25:11 or may a three, whoever's there.

25:13 And so I think a lot of this is just, you know, talk, but it's, it's part of the fun.

25:19 So we're going to go through it.

25:20 We've got to do what we got to do.

25:21 It's draft week, baby.

25:22 A lot of stuff out there.

25:23 We've got to let the people know Vegas at 13.

25:29 Here's how I feel.

25:30 I said this yesterday on my podcast, Nick cattle show.

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25:37 So all of this Jaden Daniels stuff like, oh, the agent wasn't necessarily thrilled with

25:43 the Washington setup during the visits.

25:46 And right after the combine, we heard from Phil Perry and Perry said that some people

25:51 from what he had heard, some people around Jaden Daniels, let it be known that they weren't

25:56 thrilled with the idea of him playing in the Northeast.

26:01 Jaden Daniels, his mother was very involved back in the Arizona state days to the point

26:08 where she was booking flights for recruits in Arizona state.

26:13 Okay.

26:14 Very involved.

26:15 So her last name I think is Jackson.

26:18 It's yeah, it's, it's Jackson.

26:19 It's not, it's not Daniel.

26:21 So mama Jackson, Regina Jackson.

26:24 So mama Jackson, here's, here's my theory.

26:27 Mama Jackson and some people are getting involved here because mama Jackson wants her son to

26:33 be closer to her out there in the West coast.

26:36 She's not thrilled after him playing at LSU with baby boy being away from her because

26:42 she likes to be involved in his career and apparently had a blueprint quote unquote,

26:46 as it was reported about what she would like to happen to her son's career.

26:51 So again, very involved.

26:54 Antonio Pierce, obviously strong link with Daniels.

26:59 I think a lot of the stuff we've heard about Daniels with Washington and even here to a

27:04 lesser extent is Daniels people, including mama trying to get things done to get Vegas

27:11 up to a spot that could draft Daniels.

27:14 So with all of that as the background, if you're the Patriots, do you consider going

27:19 all the way down to 13 or is that just way too far?

27:27 Depending on the future bag.

27:29 And if there's a player and like, look, I'll just say this straight out.

27:31 I love Devante Adams.

27:32 I don't want Devante Adams for this team.

27:35 Like it's she's 31 years old.

27:37 I love him.

27:38 He's still in the prime of his career, but I just watched for two years in Las Vegas,

27:43 a team without a quarterback and no real path, not really taking an aggressive path to get

27:48 a quarterback, having Devante Adams and all the issues that came with that, which basically,

27:54 you know, basically you could say led to Josh McDaniels firing that, that they went and

27:59 got the, they got the wide receiver and I love Devante.

28:03 I don't, he's not a diva, but you know, he's one of these guys that they stick a microphone,

28:08 you know, and he didn't get so many passes.

28:09 He answers it.

28:10 And you know, Mark Davis is, you know, talking to him and what do you think?

28:14 And like, you know, don't go get the veteran wide receiver without having the quarterback.

28:20 So no, I'm not, I'm not, that's, that's I contemplate it depending on the future bag,

28:29 but now what if it's Devante Adams and Michael Penix Penix at 13?

28:34 No, this, this roster, they are not ready for, I mean, by the time they're ready to

28:42 contend, I mean, you know, Devante is probably 32, 33 and he could be on the downside of

28:47 his career.

28:48 Um, no, I'm on it.

28:50 All right.

28:51 Some more stuff, some more scuttlebutt scout D on Twitter.

28:55 I did not know who this person was until yesterday, but it's not some random Twitter account.

29:01 And the reason why I say that is this Twitter account or X account, whichever you call it,

29:07 terrible branding by Ellen that on by Elon Musk, by the way, just terrible.

29:11 I don't know why you would change Twitter, but Hey, um, so scout D is followed by Adam

29:17 Schefter has more than 9,000 followers and doesn't follow anybody.

29:22 So if Adam Schefter follows this person, I do give this person some credence, whoever

29:27 it is.

29:28 And they tweeted out yesterday that the Patriots have had some unprecedented offers pretty

29:34 much available to them, made available to them.

29:39 This person does say that he believes or she believes the Patriots will still likely stay

29:44 Pete Schrager on Pat McAfee today said he is putting his name on Jaden Daniels to Washington.

29:51 He feels that it will be Daniels number two.

29:54 We said earlier all the reporting right now, Washington is happy at number two.

29:59 They're not moving.

30:01 So that means Drake may is sitting there and we've heard that Minnesota and the giants

30:08 specifically are interested in Drake may.

30:11 Here's my question to you, Greg, if, if it was Drake may versus a move down with no second

30:21 move figured out.

30:22 So there's no, there's no going the full Monty.

30:25 No full Monty is set up.

30:28 So it'd be moving down.

30:29 No second move figured out versus Drake may.

30:32 What do you do?

30:33 Do you take Drake may at three or do you make that move down with no guarantee that you

30:38 could move back up?

30:40 No, I need, uh, I need the full Monty.

30:45 I need to, um, and it could be, uh, you know, it could be a team like the chargers.

30:52 I think that the Patriots have always, uh, you know, their new GM, uh, Hortiz used to

30:58 be in Baltimore.

30:59 The Patriots have always had a good working relationship with the Ravens as far as trades

31:02 and things like that.

31:04 Uh, I think that the Patriots, I don't think they're, I don't think Wolf is doing it unless

31:10 he has the trade up, like at least sketched out.

31:13 All right, let's go through a lightning round here.

31:15 Several questions for you.

31:16 Uh, Greg, who is on top of the Patriots board right now?

31:20 Is it may or is it Daniels Daniels?

31:24 Who's on top of your board?

31:29 May slightly just because of the build, the Northeast playing in the elements.

31:38 Um, but I love Jaden Daniels too.

31:41 Also, I mean, I, they're, they're two way to be for me.

31:45 I flip flop like all the time.

31:47 Uh, I, and, and I just don't think, I think Daniels, you know, Nick, I, you answer this

31:57 for me.

31:58 What do you think, what is Jaden Daniels sort of elite trait or traits when people

32:04 talk about him?

32:05 Oh, well, it's athleticism first and foremost, they talk about his speed and then I would

32:11 say deep ball outside, outside deep ball accuracy and touch.

32:18 Yeah, I would agree with that.

32:21 I just don't think from my evaluation of Jaden Daniels, I don't think his running is as elite

32:27 and as special as people are making it out to be.

32:32 I think in college it was, um, he's not, he's very good in a straight line and we've sort

32:38 of talked about this before, how he's somewhat like Kaepernick, just different body type.

32:43 Um, he's not very elusive in the pocket.

32:46 Now does he have plays where he does that?

32:48 And there's a famous play where he spins around, throws a touchdown.

32:51 Yeah, I understand that that's there, but, and, and is there on film, but more often

32:57 than not, like he's not very elusive in the pocket and, and you know, a lot of his stuff

33:03 comes on design runs.

33:04 A lot of it is sprint, right option.

33:07 He just goes around the outside and makes, and sometimes he does make unbelievable cuts

33:10 where he's breaking people's ankles.

33:13 But I worry about whether his running style and play style translates to the speed of

33:20 the NFL, the speed and size.

33:23 I don't think it's going to be elite.

33:24 And I think he's gonna, I think he's going to end up taking a lot of sacks.

33:27 That's going to become an issue where I think Drake may, I think he has better athleticism

33:34 in the pocket, escaping things like that than actually Jaden Daniels does.

33:40 And he has a stronger arm and he has the potential to match him as far as, um, deep ball accuracy

33:47 and things like that.

33:48 So that's, that's why I have may slightly ahead of more lightning round questions for

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34:11 Let's continue the difference between Jaden Daniels and JJ McCarthy for the page.

34:18 How much of a difference is there?

34:25 It's a really good question.

34:26 They, they are just such different quarterbacks.

34:29 Me and I've been trying to get an answer for this.

34:32 I think I might've mentioned it last and I haven't gotten a good answer yet from my NFL

34:37 sources.

34:38 My personnel sources were, I've tried to ask, I've asked them when was the last time a quarterback

34:45 that can spin it as well as Michael panics can and taking all the other stuff out, age

34:51 injury and stuff like that.

34:53 When was the last time a guy came out of the colleges and could spin it, could just flat

34:58 out throw the ball like Michael panics did.

35:00 When was the last time a guy like that busted and nobody can really give me an answer like

35:06 you.

35:07 I mean there's similarities like Chad Pennington threw a really nice ball in, in, in college

35:13 and coming out and early in his NFL career.

35:16 Then he had the arm issues and he became a different quarterback.

35:19 But as far as pure passers, you know, those guys don't bust.

35:24 So I, to me, I think that Michael Penix is such a good thrower of the ball.

35:29 He's elite and can just fire like tomorrow you could plug them out there and he can just,

35:34 he's, you know, there's, there's, and I've heard this comparison.

35:38 There's a little bit of Dan Marino like in him.

35:41 Not the same, certainly, and it looks different.

35:45 Marino was a work of art thrown the football, but the result, how it comes out of Penix's

35:50 hands reminds me a little bit of Marino.

35:54 Again I'm not saying he's Dan Marino, please.

35:58 But McCarthy is just different.

36:00 He's more athletic ability.

36:01 He's more of the total package.

36:03 He throws one speed fastballs.

36:07 He has to really torque his body and needs a lot of room to throw deep, similar to Mac

36:16 Jones, but he's got more talent than Mac Jones.

36:19 To me, I, now I'm going again.

36:22 So I had McCarthy ahead of Penix slightly in my rankings just because I think you can

36:29 win with McCarthy and I think that would appeal to some people and I know it appeals to some

36:34 people within the walls of the Patriots.

36:37 So would you think that the Patriots like McCarthy more than Penix and if so, by how

36:40 much?

36:42 I think so.

36:43 I would say, I would say they would feel comfortable drafting McCarthy 6 to 13.

36:56 I think they would be, they would be comfortable drafting Penix somewhere in the twenties.

37:02 Okay.

37:03 All right.

37:04 Let's go to the next question.

37:05 A couple of reports over the last day or so out in the Bay area will lead you to believe

37:12 that Brandon Iuke is available.

37:16 Do we have a trade for a wide receiver, a vet wide receiver before night two?

37:22 So before Friday night, do we have a trade for a veteran wide receiver?

37:28 I'll just say, I hope not because that would mean that they would be dealing one of their

37:32 picks this year and I am adamant against that.

37:35 I think they need to stick and pick if not maneuver the draft and trade down, trade up,

37:41 you know, trade back up into the first round for tackle or wide receiver, whoever's highest

37:46 on their board that that is lingering there within striking distance for them.

37:51 I I'll just say, I hope not because I don't want to use any of this year's picks.

37:55 I'd rather wait until after the draft and use next year.

37:59 They don't move up into the late first round or they don't have a tackle that they think

38:02 is legitimate.

38:03 They're at 34.

38:04 I'm not against trading that 34th pick for a wide receiver, but to me it has to be one

38:09 of like a couple of guys.

38:10 It's either going to be Iuke or AJ Brown.

38:12 Those two guys, I would entertain trading 34, but again, it depends on what is there

38:20 on the board.

38:21 If there's this massive run of tackles, like a lot of people believe is going to happen

38:26 anywhere from, you know, and I'm not talking about the top three or four guys.

38:29 I'm talking about the massive run of tackles somewhere late in the teens through the twenties.

38:34 If that's what happens and you don't have the ability to move up into the late first

38:40 to get one of those guys like an Amarius Mims or Tyler Guyton or Kingsley, Sue and Matia,

38:45 if you're incapable or just can't pull off a trade to get into that mix, then, you know,

38:52 I don't think there's a tackle that's worthwhile at 34.

38:55 I would pivot and I would make that deal for an AJ Brown or Brennan Iuke, but I would,

39:00 I'm with you.

39:01 I would lean towards a pick from next year because you're sitting at the top of each

39:05 of these rounds and that's, that's valuable.

39:08 All right.

39:09 Two million dollar questions.

39:14 What do the Patriots do Greg on Thursday night?

39:20 Washington goes with Jaden Daniels at two, the Patriots stick and pick and take Drake

39:25 man.

39:26 What is Greg Bedard's worst case scenario on Thursday night?

39:35 The Patriots trade down from three.

39:40 They don't get a quarterback in the first round and they end up drafting like Spencer

39:46 Rattler in the third round.

39:48 I'm, I'm, I'm going to jump off the Tobin bridge if something like that happens.

39:52 Well, hopefully you don't do that.

39:54 I care about you.

39:55 I consider you a friend.

39:56 Hopefully there's no jumping, but there you go.

39:59 So Greg's worst case scenario, we're going to find out what happens a couple nights away.

40:04 I'm not going to sleep much over the next couple of days because of anxiety and excitement.

40:09 My head's racing.

40:10 I'm sure many of you are going through the same things right now.

40:14 He is Greg.

40:15 I am Nick.

40:16 So we haven't discussed this behind, you know, the scenes here, but I would imagine we will

40:22 do a podcast sometime on Friday following round one, correct?

40:29 Okay.

40:30 So all of you can be prepared for a Greg and my reaction on Friday after round one, maybe

40:36 it will be one pick.

40:38 Maybe it will be two picks.

40:39 Maybe something crazy will happen to be no picks.

40:41 How about that scenario?

40:42 Stick that in your pipe and smoke it until then.

40:45 He's Greg.

40:46 I'm Nick.

40:47 Goodbye.

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