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Hukumat ki Janib Say PTI ko Muzakrat ki Paishkash | Rauf Hassan's Analysis
Hukumat ki Janib Say PTI ko Muzakrat ki Paishkash | Rauf Hassan's Analysis
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00:00 We will talk about the government statements and the internal and external political issues of PTI.
00:06 But first I would like to address this.
00:08 What is the position of PTI on the issue of national reconciliation?
00:14 And the worst of the worst, if there are even enemies in front of you, sitting at the table and talking,
00:21 this is then the internal politics of Pakistan.
00:23 Is there a scope for it? Is there a future for it? Are there any chances of it becoming a body of reconciliation?
00:30 Thank you Maria.
00:32 Negotiations, the door of dialogue, is never permanently closed.
00:40 There are reasons for which it cannot be opened.
00:44 The problem is that the government, the elections of February 1st, I don't think there are any two opinions that the election was stolen.
00:53 If you read in our manifesto, I will send it to you, we have put two chapters in it, I have authored it myself.
00:59 One chapter is of truth and reconciliation, the other is healing a nation.
01:03 We strongly feel that this nation needs an ointment rather than running more initiatives and further debating it.
01:12 I don't have any doubt about that. I think it is being felt across the board.
01:15 But there are some preconditions for that.
01:18 First comes the truth of reconciliation.
01:20 Now, the knowledge of the truth is an important thing.
01:24 Now, to know the truth, I think that where they are offering to sit and talk,
01:30 before that, their illegal and unconstitutional occupation of the seat of power, that has to be vacated.
01:37 Only after that can we talk about truth and reconciliation.
01:40 Until the truth is not spoken, until the truth is not implemented, I don't think that there will be three political parties.
01:48 The rest, our door is open to everyone.
01:51 All the political parties are joining us one by one on that platform.
01:56 So, do you see the People's Party, PMLN as one entity or do you see the People's Party's offer differently?
02:03 There are three parties, PMLN, People's Party and MQMP.
02:08 All three are the beneficiaries of the election fraud.
02:12 So, this is a common point which brings them together.
02:15 But your mandate is against PMLN and MQMP, your grudges are against them.
02:19 No, People's Party is also the same.
02:21 Although, I will share with you, when the government was not formed,
02:24 we had got a lot of opportunities from the People's Party.
02:28 Actually, we got people on the level of Bilawal Bhutto Zardari.
02:33 And not one or two, but he said that we want to sit with you and talk.
02:37 We want to form a coalition with you.
02:39 After the election?
02:40 After the election, before the formation of the government.
02:43 And even then we discussed and said that those people who have stolen the mandate,
02:48 we cannot talk to them.
02:50 First, vacate the mandate, then we can talk.
02:54 But they will not do it.
02:55 So, what is the way to do it? For example, we play a role, we build a scenario.
03:01 They come and do a press conference that we did wrong, we did wrong.
03:05 After that, they step down.
03:07 Then there will be a gap, then you will form the government.
03:10 To fill the numbers, you have legal and political challenges.
03:15 So, how does this play out?
03:17 Playout can be done in only one way.
03:19 We have exercised the legal options we had.
03:22 Our petitions have been sent and they have gone with vouching documents.
03:26 Form 45 and Form 47.
03:28 So, the truth on them, the truth that is right, wherever we have won,
03:32 you can concede that.
03:34 After that, the doors of discussion can be opened.
03:37 But as long as they are occupying the seat of power undemocratically,
03:42 I don't think that anyone in the BTI will dare to sit with these people.
03:48 I have understood this from the political parties, but do you want to talk to Muktadara?
03:52 Mr. Khan had said a long time ago that he is ready to talk to all of us.
03:56 You may remember that he had formed a committee.
03:58 And he said, let's face the fact.
04:02 He is the real power base.
04:04 The real power base is not Prime Minister House.
04:07 He has the real power.
04:08 Now, you can define him as you like.
04:10 So, at the end of the day, if you want to fix the situation,
04:13 you will have to talk to him.
04:15 But if you are ready to talk to him,
04:17 and if you have set strict conditions for the political parties,
04:19 you don't have such strict conditions for them.
04:21 No, no, we have strict conditions with them too.
04:23 But you are not that strict with them.
04:25 Despite what happened in the last two years, you are ready to talk to them.
04:28 Political parties are beneficiary of this, I agree.
04:32 But there is no direct physical causation from them.
04:36 The conditions are more strict for them.
04:38 They are not as strict for Muktadara.
04:40 If you talk about the 76 years of history,
04:43 there has always been a common factor.
04:45 Whether it is through direct rule or indirect rule,
04:48 there is a common factor, and that is Muktadara.
04:50 It has always been there.
04:52 The problem of this country is that
04:54 it is an institution that you don't want to damage.
04:56 It is an institution that you cannot fight against.
04:59 We have a clear understanding and we are clear.
05:02 You cannot fight against it.
05:04 Because, you know, our geostrategic location and other factors
05:07 that we have at the moment, you need them.
05:09 So, you have to talk to that institution
05:12 and claim your rights without damaging that institution.
05:15 But if you make political parties your allies,
05:18 then, as we saw, the NRO happened in 2000
05:21 and the political class achieved a lot after that.
05:24 Now, you see it in this prism, what it was,
05:27 but a lot of space was given back by the political class.
05:29 You teach politics, now you can disagree on it.
05:32 So, aren't political entities your allies?
05:36 I will ask you a question, where did they take up space?
05:39 Sir, after 2008, didn't you feel that they took up space?
05:43 You see, the 2008 elections were controversial,
05:46 the 2013 elections were controversial,
05:48 the 2018 elections were controversial,
05:50 the 2023 elections were controversial,
05:52 the 2024 elections were delayed.
05:55 And in between, the unconstitutionality that has happened,
05:59 that is unprecedented.
06:01 If the direct rule of the army comes,
06:03 if the direct rule comes, if they take over,
06:06 then the constitution is suspended.
06:08 But violating it in the presence of the constitution,
06:10 that is a new tradition.
06:12 For two years, in the presence of the constitution,
06:14 you have done everything unconstitutional.