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"Ye sirf Six Judges ki Kahani Nahi,Ayse Kayi aur Judges bhi hain"PTI Leader Rauf Hassan's Statement
"Ye sirf Six Judges ki Kahani Nahi,Ayse Kayi aur Judges bhi hain"PTI Leader Rauf Hassan's Statement
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00:00 First of all, the letter that has been sent by the six judges has raised a lot of questions.
00:07 Pakistan's Judiciary has two options.
00:09 One is to see the judiciary itself under Article 184(3).
00:13 Now, at one place, whether you trust the judiciary or not, questions arise.
00:19 Sometimes you say that the judiciary has taken the right step, the right decision.
00:23 Sometimes you criticize it, obviously, according to the decision.
00:26 In this case, even if the judiciary looks at this matter, will all stakeholders be satisfied?
00:34 Thank you, Anika.
00:36 Look, we talk about merit.
00:38 If the judiciary makes a decision according to the law, then we praise it.
00:43 If the judiciary does not make a decision according to the law, then we criticize it.
00:50 This is one way of the political community, by staying within the framework of the law.
00:57 Look, there are two parts of this letter that you should definitely discuss.
01:03 First of all, who has been indicted in this letter?
01:08 First of all, they have indicted the intelligence agencies and their operatives.
01:15 This allegation is that they interfere in their work.
01:19 The second indictment is of the executive.
01:21 The executive is headed by the Prime Minister of the country, whose name is Shahbaz Sharif.
01:26 He has been indicted by the national establishment.
01:31 And the third indictment is very serious.
01:34 That is of the Chief Justice of the Islamabad High Court.
01:37 If you read this letter and read the annexes attached to it,
01:41 you will realize that these six judges did not write this letter straight away.
01:46 Rather, there is a story behind it, which is two and a half years old.
01:49 When during this period, the Chief Justice of Islamabad High Court and also the Chief Justice of Pakistan
01:55 kept praising them from time to time that this is happening to them and it should end.
02:01 Neither the Chief Justice of Islamabad High Court, Amir Farooq, nor the Chief Justice of Pakistan,
02:06 Mr. Qazi Faiz Isa and his predecessor, Mr. Bandyal, took any concrete steps in this regard.
02:14 To the extent that they were kidnapped, their family members were put in their bedrooms with cameras,
02:21 their personal life was put on the line.
02:23 I am sorry, Mr. Rauf, I am cutting you short.
02:25 But this is a very, very serious concern.
02:27 This blame has been put on very seriously.
02:29 But Mr. Marwat, who is a lawyer and a judge in your community,
02:33 you know that he has a slightly different line.
02:36 He says that judges should put a contempt instead of writing a letter helplessly.
02:42 If a civilian can be called to the contempt of court,
02:46 then if you are a judge and you really want to give justice,
02:49 and if you are not involved in politics, but really talking about justice,
02:53 then there and then you should have issued a notice of contempt of court.
02:58 Writing a letter later, politics, this kind of thing is not coming.
03:01 Do you agree with Mr. Marwat's point of view?
03:04 It is not important for me to agree with anyone's point of view or disagree with anyone
03:08 because I have received a letter from you for party policy.
03:12 It has been appointed exclusively as a spokesperson for me.
03:15 I am stating the party policy.
03:17 So, in other words, Mr. Marwat is giving his personal opinion.
03:23 I don't want to comment on that.
03:25 I don't want to comment on what others say or don't say.
03:27 Mr. Rauf, I completely understand.
03:29 But I just want to know that you are the spokesperson of your party.
03:33 So, Mr. Marwat is giving his personal opinion.
03:35 I don't want to comment on what others say or don't say.
03:38 I don't even know that he has said anything like this.
03:40 Frankly, I am telling you.
03:41 Listen, listen to me.
03:43 This is the important thing.
03:45 In this letter, a method of solving this problem has also been stated.
03:50 It is two-pronged.
03:52 One, it is pronged that you call a judicial convention.
03:55 Why call a judicial convention?
03:57 Because this is not just a story of six judges.
04:00 This is a story of the entire judiciary.
04:03 And they want that the other judges, be they of the High Court, District Court or Supreme Court,
04:09 should also get the opportunity to tell their story in a free environment without fear.
04:18 They should tell their story of what happened to them.
04:21 So, first of all, a judicial convention should be called.
04:24 Secondly, what we are proposing,
04:26 if a person is indicted,
04:28 if the executive is indicted in this letter,
04:31 will you give the right to an indicted person to decide in his own case as a judge?
04:39 That is a very valid point, Mr. Rauf.
04:42 The executive should not be involved in this.
04:45 But, here you have talked about what has been happening for two and a half years.
04:49 Before this, you remember that in the case of Panama,
04:51 often videos used to come,
04:53 who is going through the back door, who is not going.
04:55 So, let this be a long retrospective investigation then.
05:00 Why is it a matter of two and a half years?
05:02 You have gone back 44 years.
05:04 You have said that Mr. Bhutto's case was a judicial murder.
05:07 He did not get justice.
05:08 If you want to do the rest of the cases, then do it.
05:11 But, I think that the media has become a way to pull the matter back instead of moving it forward.
05:17 Do it. Do it.
05:18 You can make it.
05:19 That too, 40 years, 50 years.
05:21 I say, let's talk about 76 years.
05:22 In 76 years, the same story will come out that these six judges have brought out.
05:26 What should be done to change, Mr. Faraz?
05:28 What needs to be changed?
05:30 The case has been intervened and interfered in an illegal and illegal manner.
05:34 The same story will come out.
05:35 The same story will come out even after 76 years.
05:37 This story is around for 76 years.
05:39 And in that 76 years, there is also a time for Pakistan's movement for justice.
05:42 The problem is that when the receiving end of the judge is there,
05:45 whoever it is, whether you are PMLN or People's Party,
05:48 the attitude is completely different at that time.
05:50 And when it is at the giving end, then there is no problem over there.
05:53 This is what the PMLN used to do in Panama at that time.
05:56 Today, their attitude has changed.
05:58 It has changed completely 180 degrees.
06:00 So, it will not happen that PTI comes back to power tomorrow and their attitude changes again.
06:04 Look, if you want to target PTI, then that is another thing.
06:09 Our conduct has always been different.
06:11 Our conduct has always been in accordance with the law and the constitution.
06:15 That is a long story.
06:17 If you do a program of one hour or two hours,
06:19 I will sit and tell you all its facets.
06:23 I will make you aware of it.
06:25 Don't compare them.
06:27 You immediately enact the comparison.
06:29 I was in another program, where this was also happening.
06:31 That they were enacting this and that.
06:33 The past is seen or not, lessons are learned from it.
06:38 Not ABC, XYZ, but lessons for everyone.
06:42 We have also learned lessons from our mistakes.
06:46 The attitude that the country is standing on today,
06:49 it cannot sustain here.
06:51 Its problems will have to be solved.
06:54 We should be thankful to these six judges,
06:57 who have brought up the basic issue of this country.
07:04 They have brought up the interference of the agencies.
07:07 We should take this case forward and find a solution.
07:11 Let's talk about the future.