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00:00 It seems to me, even like last night, they were reactive in a lot of...
00:03 I thought they reacted very well, they didn't go over the line, they didn't take too many penalties.
00:08 They defended themselves, they defended their teammates.
00:10 I thought they did all the right stuff and they were ready for it.
00:13 But they still aren't the assertive, proactive team that...
00:17 And I just don't think it's in their personality, a lot of those players, and their style of play
00:22 that's going to go out looking for that fight, is going to go out looking to set that tone.
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02:39 All right, let's get into this, Mick.
02:40 Huge win last night, four to three over the Florida Panthers.
02:44 Playoff style game.
02:46 Physical, fast-paced.
02:48 A lot of it reminded me of what we saw in the playoffs last year between the Bruins
02:52 and the Panthers.
02:53 There were times where the Bruins had trouble with the four check big time.
02:56 There were times where Florida tried to push the Bruins around and I liked--
03:01 the Bruins weren't pushing the Panthers around.
03:04 They weren't looking to set the physical tone.
03:06 They weren't-- you know, at times, like McAvoy threw a big hit here or there and some things
03:10 were going on.
03:11 But it looked like guys like Sam Bennett and Kachuk were trying to do the same stuff that
03:15 they did last year where they pushed around the Bruins and there was no pushback from
03:19 the Bruins.
03:20 And at least this game, it wasn't dominating.
03:24 It wasn't them like bullying the Panthers.
03:27 But the Bruins were pushing back.
03:29 The guys that were getting pushed by the Panthers, the guys that the Panthers were targeting
03:33 were standing up for themselves, pushing back.
03:36 Lindholm was a great example.
03:37 Bennett knocking off his helmet, kept going after him.
03:40 Lindholm finally said enough is enough, threw a punch at Bennett and they went at it and
03:45 they both go off for fighting.
03:46 There was a couple instances of that.
03:48 Brandon Carlo I thought had a tough start to the game, but I thought he was nasty and
03:51 physical in the latter moments of that game and I thought played a lot better.
03:55 Brad Marchand obviously taking on a 6'4" defenseman was another instance of that as
04:02 well.
04:02 But I think you saw in general, the Bruins were ready for battle here, were ready to
04:06 push back and they did.
04:08 And I liked the response, top to bottom team-wide, that they had against the Panthers that ended
04:13 up getting them the win in the end.
04:15 - Had to have it.
04:16 And I also was impressed with Watherspoon's dealings with Kuchuk along the boards there.
04:25 That was important.
04:26 They have a way of playing that reminds me so much of the 74-5-6 Philadelphia Flyers.
04:37 They play with that swagger.
04:38 - I knew you were gonna say the Broad Street Bullies right there, the Flyers teams.
04:41 I knew you were going with that.
04:42 - Yeah, you did.
04:44 And it's so obvious, but they have that swagger when they get on the ice.
04:50 In fact, I was discussing this with a pal of mine, Kevin Vautour, that if the Bruins
04:56 aren't playing and I'm in front of the TV and Florida's playing, I am absolutely watching
05:00 that game.
05:01 - Yeah, they're a fun team to watch.
05:03 - They have a way of playing the game that they do something.
05:07 It's like a certain prize fighter.
05:09 There's a way they cut off the ring and get in there and go to work and you expect it
05:15 and you can count on it.
05:16 And you don't know if they're gonna be successful, but they are a pretty successful team.
05:21 And everybody is now circling the Panthers on their schedule.
05:28 And this was a huge win for the Bruins.
05:30 They needed it very badly after what went on with practice and the wake-up call.
05:38 - Yep. - And they're a team,
05:40 the Bruins are definitely a team that can cross a threshold very subtly of effort, whether
05:47 it's the benign kind of hockey effort of a lot of poke checks and second and third and
05:53 fourth efforts on pucks, or whether it's the toughness end of it that we saw last night.
05:58 They have to have that effort and that all-out battle in order to win.
06:07 And when they do, they can win against good teams.
06:10 - And they can win against good teams when some bad things happen to them too.
06:15 I mean, they gave up a goal in the first shift of the game.
06:17 They gave up that goal towards the end of the first period after they scored that was
06:21 a severe gut punch there.
06:23 You know, they had some hiccups and some moments in this game where they had to overcome a
06:28 little adversity where, you know, a lesser team could have been like, "All right, this
06:32 isn't our night.
06:33 You know, this isn't gonna happen for us."
06:35 And it could have derailed them a little bit, and they didn't let that happen last night.
06:38 And I thought that was a good sign for the playoffs too, because that's what's gonna
06:42 happen in the playoffs.
06:43 It's gonna be a wave of momentum back and forth and, you know, a rollercoaster of good
06:48 and bad things happening that you gotta kind of overcome if you're gonna end up winning
06:51 in the end.
06:52 And I thought that was a great preparation-type game last night for what they're gonna face
06:57 immediately in the postseason as soon as it starts.
07:01 One thing, Mick, that I was really encouraged by was that, I think to a man, their best
07:06 players all played their A-games last night and all were, you know, very influential players
07:11 that made big plays.
07:12 Charlie McAvoy scored the first goal I thought was excellent all night.
07:17 Pavel Zaka scores the game-winner.
07:20 Awesome in the face-off circle.
07:21 Very active.
07:23 Played a great game.
07:24 David Postranec scored.
07:25 Had a couple of points.
07:26 Was a very influential player in a lot of the plays that were made offensively.
07:30 Brad Marchand, it looked like from the second period on, he was determined the Bruins were
07:35 not gonna lose that game.
07:36 You know, there was the one goal that they scored where he was an absolute wrecking ball
07:42 on the forecheck, just knocking bodies around, making sure the puck stayed in the zone.
07:47 And then he skated off at the end of that and they scored like immediately afterwards.
07:52 And he directly influenced that goal with his forecheck, with his physicality, with
07:56 his determination.
07:57 And then he sets up Trent Frederick for the game-tying goal by skating through, relentlessly
08:02 skating through a bunch of Panthers players to get the puck into the offensive zone and
08:06 then center it to Freddie for the great one-timer there, which was an awesome shot.
08:11 But you go to a man, I think every single important player, what you would call the
08:17 best players on the Bruins lineup, in their lineup, had their A game, played their best
08:22 and was ready to go last night.
08:24 And that was another encouraging sign.
08:25 Absolutely.
08:27 I mean, it takes a village when you're playing the most important games of the year.
08:32 Right now, Florida, they play a style and they make the Bruins go through the gates
08:40 of hell to win.
08:40 And it took everyone and there were no passengers.
08:46 And it was great to see.
08:47 We're so late in the season here that I'm no longer worried about, well, they might
08:55 burn out, they might not be able to sustain it.
08:57 Now it's more about the playoff concerns.
08:59 Will they stay healthy?
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10:00 - What do you make?
10:01 'Cause Swayman, I thought, was a little shaky early, especially, and Nesson did a good job
10:07 of showing this after the first period.
10:09 Playing the puck, he seemed very shaky at times playing the puck and was putting his
10:14 defenseman in a lot of bad spots when he was trying to help set them up against the forecheck
10:19 and get out of the crease area and play the puck and get it to his D.
10:25 And obviously, they gave up a goal.
10:27 And the first minute of the game, and then gave up a goal towards the end of the first
10:32 period.
10:32 So I thought he was a little shaky early, excellent towards the end of the game.
10:36 I thought he made some big stops late.
10:38 And I read a lot, honestly, into the fact that Swayman started both of the games against
10:45 the Maple Leafs, and he started that game last night.
10:48 Like, they are putting him in against the best teams in the biggest games ahead of the
10:54 playoffs.
10:54 Which to me, continues to read like he's going to start game one of the playoffs by
10:58 giving the assignments that they're giving him and the games that they're putting him
11:02 in.
11:03 And the way he's performing and that they're getting wins in these games.
11:06 You know, it's not always pretty, but they're coming out with the W at the end of these
11:09 games against the teams that they're going to play in the playoffs.
11:12 I continue to take those as signs that they're looking at him as the guy that's going to
11:16 start game one.
11:17 Even though Allmark, I think, has played very well, obviously, since the All-Star break
11:21 in 2016.
11:22 And specifically since the trade deadline.
11:24 I still think by the usage we're seeing with Swayman that they may end up going with him
11:28 in game one.
11:29 Well, they're giving him every opportunity to play up to the job.
11:33 They're putting, they keep putting it in front of him and see if he'll take it.
11:38 And I don't think that's a statistics thing as much as it is.
11:44 No, it's not.
11:45 A big save at the right time kind of thing.
11:47 Yeah.
11:48 So in that regard, I think there's something to what you're saying there, but I don't think
11:54 a decision is going to be made until they're right on top of the question.
11:59 And that's been their MO.
12:02 This management team and whoever they have as their coach goes very, very deliberately
12:09 to decisions.
12:10 And this will happen with that.
12:13 But yeah, there is.
12:15 They're not.
12:16 They're not.
12:16 They're not giving Linus a ball here and telling him to run with it because he's been the more
12:24 proficient goalie since the trade deadline.
12:28 They're looking at the whole season and they're looking at two capable guys and they're putting
12:33 in front of Swayman as much or more than they're putting in front of Allmark.
12:39 But I assume Linus is in net tonight.
12:41 And and, you know, at Tampa and and this is his opportunity to help the team win and we'll
12:50 see how they respond.
12:51 Sometimes it's how two guys play in front of a goalie to, you know, that really affects
12:57 that and whether or not guys can say.
12:59 I remember one time I was at the Walpole Arena before they changed the name from my Oreo
13:04 to Rodman.
13:05 And I was talking with one of the players on the main championship team.
13:11 And as we know, Mike Dunham has been involved with the Bruins goaltending coaching and minor
13:18 league level for sure.
13:19 He was met very and this was not my question, but it was this conversation.
13:25 He was very matter of fact about it.
13:26 Gar Snow was our goalie.
13:29 Sometimes there is a a belief in the room that there's a guy who's your goalie, who's
13:36 your goalie.
13:37 And and and.
13:39 That may emerge, you know, right now I'm not 100% on it myself, but I feel like it may
13:46 emerge.
13:47 And if that does, then that'll factor in the decision as well.
13:50 Yeah, of course it will.
13:52 There's no doubt about that.
13:53 And but I to your point.
13:55 Like I think a lot of people in the groundswell over the last week or two has been that all
14:00 mark should get the game one start or like, you know, is he going to get it instead of
14:04 Swainman based on the way he's performing lately?
14:06 And a lot of it has centered around just putting the stats of them in the second half or since
14:11 the all star break side by side and saying all mark has performed better than Swainman.
14:16 And I think some of it you have to look at to your point, the performance of the team
14:21 in front of them.
14:23 You know, if Swainman gives up four goals in a game, save percentage doesn't look great
14:27 afterwards, but they still end up winning the game because he made the saves that he
14:30 had to in the third period to make sure that they won.
14:33 Was that a bad game for Swainman?
14:36 I don't necessarily think that, you know, I think if he did what he had to do for them
14:40 to win, even if the numbers weren't pretty in the end, I think that's what you kind of
14:44 have to look at.
14:45 And I think he's had a few of those games.
14:47 Swainman has.
14:47 And granted, there are, you know, there are some saves he should have made.
14:51 And I think his performance has not been as strong in the second half as it was in the
14:55 first half.
14:55 But I think there's also been a few of those games sprinkled in where he got the job done.
14:59 He made the saves he had to, but it didn't look pretty in the end because the team wasn't
15:03 playing well in front of them as they have not played well in a lot of games since the
15:08 all star break.
15:09 So, you know, I think there's that way to sort of judge Swainman as well.
15:12 Well, I think that, yeah, I think the one thing with Swainman's play of late that is
15:18 kind of a bit of a concern for me is he's susceptible to sharp angle, near side, top
15:26 corner goals if the player is up to it.
15:29 So you take a great player like Adam Fox, who comes right back and answers with a back
15:35 breaking goal right after the Bruins score what they thought was a big goal.
15:38 Now Fox comes right back.
15:40 And I think his was the game tying goal.
15:42 Yeah.
15:43 Yeah, that was a play to be fair.
15:45 That was a play where Brad Marsh in was nowhere to be found where he should have been, you
15:49 know, like in there was, that was, he had a free and clear look at the net.
15:54 There was a blown defensive assignment big time on that goal.
15:56 But yes, I agree with you.
15:58 He's got to stop that too.
15:59 Well, I mean, I just, I, you know, I mean, I don't like to inject my emotion into a,
16:06 into a judgment on a, on a goaltender and you've got to have that because then we had
16:11 to have a save there and you didn't give it that, you know, that that's crap.
16:15 You know, I don't like going that way, but I have noticed lately that down low
16:21 Swayman's a little down early and susceptible to over the shoulder near side stuff.
16:30 If the guy's got the accuracy to do it, you have scored fun him from some not so great
16:34 positions this season, lately included.
16:38 And that bugs me a little bit, but I'm sure goalie Bob's all over it.
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18:02 - Any other takes or any other opinions of what you saw last night from that game that
18:10 stuck out to you?
18:11 - I just feel like the Bruins are once again, a team that can play with any kind of opponent,
18:23 whether it's an uber skilled team like Toronto or a team that like Florida that has,
18:30 they granted, they do have a lot of different kinds of hockey widgets, but they are rough
18:35 and tumble and the Bruins hung with them.
18:39 And we'll see it again tonight in Tampa where Tampa likes to integrate their skill with
18:46 a rough style.
18:48 And so we'll see if they can do it two nights in a row.
18:50 But I like that.
18:51 I've always liked that aspect of the Don Sweeney era of the Bruins is it doesn't have to be
18:56 one kind of game in order for the Bruins to win it.
19:00 That said, that said, are they ever going to be good enough at any one of those games
19:08 to win 16 times in the post season?
19:12 - Well, I mean, that's the question, right?
19:15 Like sometimes it takes, it's hard for me to sort of adjust to what I'm watching with
19:21 this Bruins team, because like take last night for an example, they're never going to be
19:26 the Florida Panthers that are like, you know, looking for a street alley fight that are
19:31 pushing people around that are really pushing the envelope physically.
19:35 It seems to me, even like last night, they were reactive in a lot of, and I thought they
19:39 reacted very well.
19:40 They didn't go over the line.
19:41 They didn't take too many penalties.
19:43 They defended themselves.
19:44 They defended their teammates.
19:46 I thought they did all the right stuff and they were ready for it, but they still aren't
19:50 the assertive proactive team that, and I just don't think it's in their personality.
19:54 A lot of those players and their style of play that's going to go out looking for that
19:59 fight is going to go out looking to set that tone and be the one that's initially doing
20:05 it instead of reacting to what the other team is doing.
20:08 Like I still thought a lot of times last night, they were still reacting to what Florida was
20:13 doing.
20:13 I thought they reacted appropriately.
20:15 I thought they reacted in a good way that you continue to want to see them pushing back,
20:18 but I would still like to see some of the guys on that Bruins team be the ones initially
20:24 doing the pushing and trying to set the physical tone instead of being constantly reacting
20:29 to what the other team is doing.
20:30 Like even Lindholm, for example, Bennett had to continue pushing and punching at him and
20:36 knocking his helmet off.
20:37 Holding his head down like a big brother on a little brother.
20:40 100%.
20:40 He had to really, really, basically dare him to do something to him before Lindholm responded.
20:47 And I know that's not Lindholm's personality at all, but I would love to see the Bruins
20:52 doing more of that instead of simply waiting for the other team to try to bully them on
20:56 the schoolyard.
20:57 Of all the guys here, of all the guys in the league who decides to finally take a shot
21:01 at it's Mike Tyson.
21:02 You know, I mean, I gotta congratulate him on that, but at the same time, it's like,
21:08 what are you doing, buddy?
21:09 You know, I mean, either, you know, I mean, he had to in that situation though, Mac, he
21:15 had to in that situation.
21:16 Like you got to, I mean, there's two ways to do this.
21:19 I mean, if you're not, if you know, you're not going to win a fistfight, then my thing
21:23 might be to do is to line them up and nail them on the boards, you know, and, and, and
21:28 make some hits and say, we're not going to back down.
21:30 We're going to play our game.
21:31 So I don't think you have to, I mean, does he have to fight there?
21:36 It's a debatable, but I, but I do feel like I commend him for standing up.
21:41 I do question the judgment on the opponent.
21:45 But I do feel like there's such a bullying aspect to how Bennett plays the game.
21:49 So matter of fact, and dismissively kind of like, you know, and, and, and that it's,
21:56 that alone is impressive.
21:58 And what he does, I really feel like what Kachuk does stands on Bennett's shoulders.
22:02 And I'm wondering what would Kachuk be if Bennett wasn't on that line, because he's
22:07 so much of a mouth and so much of a, now, Grant, is he great talent?
22:11 Yes, he is.
22:12 Is he an agitator?
22:13 Yes, he is.
22:14 Does he try to play the game and get your last?
22:16 Absolutely.
22:16 Get your first, get your middle, get your last.
22:18 But, but, but Bennett is the muscle.
22:21 There's no question about it on that line.
22:23 And, and that's, that's, he's the, he's the, he drives that train.
22:28 Now I would like to, sometimes we see the Bruins come up for a first period,
22:33 particularly in home games.
22:34 Big four check, some hits generated by the bottom six.
22:42 Top six comes in and capitalizes on the chaos.
22:46 And, and, and they, and they all work together, five man unit, and they score goals.
22:52 And they, they impose their will.
22:53 There aren't too many other ways that I see the Bruins say, announcing, this is our identity.
22:59 This is how we're going to play.
23:01 Here's how we're going to go out.
23:02 We're going to set a bar.
23:03 We're going to win a hockey game.
23:05 I see them attempt this and become more of a dump and chase team this year.
23:10 And, and Brad Marshan has said that, you know, when we start thinking we're really cute out
23:14 there and get away from it, that's when we hurt ourselves, shoot ourselves on the foot,
23:18 lose hockey games.
23:18 But that's what they are.
23:21 That's what they need to be.
23:23 And so I think if we're going to look for an emerging identity of the Bruins as a bar
23:26 setting team, it's going to initiate and announce themselves before it's a response.
23:31 Then that's, that's how it's going to be.
23:34 It's got to be that four checking game with, with some speed and some tenacity.
23:38 Then you mix in skill and you try to get out in front.
23:41 Another thing I would say, take as an encouraging sign was the response in this game to what
23:50 happened in practice on Monday.
23:51 Jim Montgomery lighting into his team, not liking the practice coming off what he thought
23:58 was a bad third period against Philly.
24:00 At one point he was yelling, you could hear him yelling, wake the bleep up from up in
24:05 the upstairs in the press box, a warrior stopping a drill and having them do some conditioning
24:10 skates, basically back skating them a little bit during that practice.
24:14 The second time he has done that this year.
24:16 And I thought it was going to be telling how the team was going to respond to that happening
24:22 on Monday, not only in the practice, which had the proper response in the practice after
24:26 that, but how, how that would carry over into the game.
24:30 And it was good to see Montgomery dialed in with the team, getting them focused, doing
24:36 it the right way, pushing the right buttons to get the right, right response.
24:39 And that also makes me feel better about what we may see out of this team in the playoffs
24:45 that he's getting the right response from them.
24:47 And he's got a pulse, you finger on the pulse of what the team needs from a coaching perspective.
24:53 Well, yeah.
24:54 And I think he also was looking at the schedule and realizing that if these guys keep playing
24:59 what the way they've been playing, we could be in big trouble here because this list of
25:05 opponents is either, are either teams that you can consider Stanley cup contenders or
25:11 teams that are desperate and playing well right now, the Washington capitals.
25:16 So, well, they're still in the mix.
25:20 So they're, they're, they're, they're right now, they got a foot in the door.
25:24 So, and that's cause they've, they've, they've quietly rallied when they got ignored, the
25:29 Bruins gifted them a game earlier this winter.
25:34 So, yeah, I mean, I think that, I think given the run of the string of games coming up,
25:40 Monty looked at it and said, these guys need something here and I'm going to give it to
25:44 them.
25:45 And the timing was excellent.
25:47 Absolutely.
25:49 All right.
25:49 Tweet of the week, Mick from BK five, one, three, seven, um, Maroon better be healthy
25:56 for the playoffs or they better get Luchich in skating shape.
25:59 I do not think we're going to be seeing any meal on Luchich guys.
26:02 Uh, Lindholm and Marcian can't be fighting in the playoffs and this team doesn't play
26:06 physical just like previous years.
26:09 Uh, they're going to get out hit and outplayed physically.
26:12 Like, uh, this is an echo of what I just said to a degree where they've got to be a little
26:17 more assertive and they've got to really go at it.
26:19 But I also think.
26:20 Have Maroon being in the lineup may change things a little bit and get everybody a little
26:26 more courageous, uh, on that Bruins team.
26:28 He's one of those kinds of players that I think will make everybody feel a little taller,
26:32 a little tougher, but I liked what I saw last night, as far as them pushing back, they did
26:37 enough of what they had to do to stand up to the bully and to get the win.
26:42 Uh, they did.
26:43 It's a long haul to win the Stanley Cup.
26:47 Um, I just winning a playoff series.
26:50 Uh, you got to go through this, uh, six or seven times.
26:55 Um, unless the other team is somehow dysfunctional and not showing up and not that, not at their
27:02 best.
27:02 So, uh, but, but I do, I do agree with the, with the, uh, tweeter that we have a situation
27:11 where, where the Bruins, but I, here's why I disagree.
27:14 I don't think that in as much as I agree that a guy like Maroon or had it been Milan Luchich
27:22 or had it been Nick Foligno, uh, that you would have had some helpful influence there,
27:28 but at the end of the day, everybody who's on the ice has to step up.
27:34 Everybody's on the ice.
27:36 They don't have to say that, Hey, I'm Dave Schultz.
27:38 What they have to do is go out there and say, I'm here to win a hockey game and whatever
27:44 it is you do to win that hockey game, you got to do it.
27:47 Um, so it's gotta come from them, uh, whether or not, uh, Maroons in uniform.
27:53 I agree.
27:54 Um, I do think though, a presence of a guy like that makes everybody a little more courageous
27:58 in all aspects.
27:59 So that, that part will be interesting to watch, to see if that influences their Mick.
28:04 Thank you very much.
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29:06 Mick Colaggio, thank you very much for joining us today, my friend.
29:08 Happy to be here.
29:10 Thanks Joe.
29:11 All right.
29:11 Thanks everybody for listening.
29:13 We'll see you at the race.
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