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00:00:00 and we're going to go ahead and do that. I think we're good. I hope we're good. All right.

00:00:07 Welcome in everyone. It is another live Patriots beat podcast here on the CLNS media network

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00:00:24 out Jack Golke three point entries over on prize picks this weekend, but it is Brian

00:00:30 Hines. It is Alex Barth from 98.5 the sports hub because basketball's over. We're having

00:00:35 withdrawals of basketball today, but we got some, lots of Patriots news to talk about

00:00:40 because Gerard Mayo spoke this morning at the annual meetings down in Orlando, Florida

00:00:45 today and he covered a lot of ground from their free agency approach to the draft. Obviously

00:00:52 the number three pick everyone's looking at, whether it's some of these quarterbacks he

00:00:55 talked about, maybe, maybe trading down and then talked about some of the players on the

00:01:00 Patriots roster and some positions that they might be, you know, playing guys at. And so

00:01:06 a lot, lots of breakdown, a lot to cover, but I guess we could start with the free agency

00:01:12 because that was what is kind of over with the main wave of free agency. He kind of described

00:01:19 it. Uh, he said that, you know, be patient with them, right? Like this is how they wanted

00:01:24 to do it. They wanted to prioritize re-signing their own guys. They were picky. That was

00:01:29 the word he also used with how they wanted to spend their money on the offensive talent

00:01:33 and free agency. And he, I mean, that was, you know, they missed on Calvin Ridley, which

00:01:37 he said was disappointing, but as he kind of said, there weren't a lot of other guys

00:01:42 out there, especially at the wide receiver position for them to just burn cash or throw

00:01:46 a lot of money on. So this is, you know, they're going to draft, they're going to develop.

00:01:51 And unfortunately they had all this money, but there wasn't the talent to kind of match

00:01:55 it in free agency this year.

00:01:57 Yeah. Again, I, again, we just started the show. Uh, sorry. Long day. A lot of writing

00:02:03 to do off of this. Cause he, Gerard Mayo said a lot, he said a lot and he said nothing at

00:02:07 the same time. And this was kind of a, an example of that in that he says, yeah, we,

00:02:14 we'd be open to trading the pick. We'd be open to taking a quarterback. Yeah. You know,

00:02:18 we wanted to spend, but we didn't want to spend it on any of the players that were there.

00:02:21 Like when you, when he made the burns cash comment and again, I, he never should have

00:02:25 made that when he made that in the first place. I was like, dude, come on. And he's a first

00:02:29 year head coach. He's got to learn that, you know, he's not the linebackers coach anymore.

00:02:32 And yeah, the linebackers coach said that it would have been notable, but it's very

00:02:36 different when the head coach says it. Right. So I think that there's a big time learning

00:02:40 experience going on.

00:02:41 Speaker 3 (1h 5m 50s): Do you think a wolf should have said the weaponized part then

00:02:44 after two was that another like first time?

00:02:46 Speaker 4 (1h 5m 55s): That one's a little different because there's actually something

00:02:52 tangible behind that. But it's like, that's we've talked about this. Those to me are typical

00:02:58 football bravado. It doesn't mean they're right to say, it doesn't mean they're smart

00:03:01 to say, but guys stay, say things like that. The one that bothers me, I think I brought

00:03:06 it up on this show. I brought it up on other shows is the quote. Wolf gave Patriots.com

00:03:10 at the combine where he talked about you do yourself a disservice to skip out on free

00:03:14 agency.

00:03:15 You know, it's not every year we're going to make big free agency signings. We want

00:03:18 to draft and develop, but when you have these resources and you have the right, and I'm

00:03:22 paraphrasing when you have these resources and you have the roster you have, you know,

00:03:26 it does make sense to spend a little bit. You know, we're going to burn cash is not

00:03:30 a well thought out nuanced football tape. Not that I was necessarily expecting one from

00:03:35 Gerard Mayo in that spot, but that's kind of the point he's just been introduced as

00:03:39 the head coach. He's going on the radio for the first time. He's feeling good about himself.

00:03:44 He's got all these big ideas and yeah, he said something a little cocky, same for Elliot

00:03:48 Wolf. He goes out there, you know, he has these big ideas about how he's going to fix

00:03:51 the team and I'm sure he's heard the chatter about, you know, all, you know, no receivers

00:03:56 and this and that.

00:03:57 And he goes, yeah, we're going to weaponize it. It's, it's, it's just, you know, hog

00:04:01 swinging for lack of a better term, the actual detailed football answers that got ignored

00:04:10 bother me a lot more. That being said, Mayo probably shouldn't have said that or should

00:04:15 have phrased it differently. And he admitted that today, but this is kind of a pattern

00:04:18 with him where he says things and then you kind of see him backtrack on it. And it's

00:04:24 look, it's relatable. I think we've all been in situations where we have to feel it. I

00:04:28 know when I started doing this, there were instances where I would say something, I'd

00:04:32 see the reaction and I'd kind of file it away as like, okay, lesson learned and still happens

00:04:38 from time to time.

00:04:39 So it's not to fault him for that, but it is tough when he is the guy that's out there

00:04:44 and the face or one of the faces of the franchise, if you want to put Wolf in there as well,

00:04:48 I think that's totally fair. Who, you know, is, is supposed to give the message and we

00:04:55 haven't gotten a clear message and on, on free agency, it felt like a lot of backtracking

00:05:00 and you had multiple unprompted comments about ownerships willing to let us spend, you know,

00:05:06 but we just didn't feel like it was right to spend the money.

00:05:10 It felt very much like for, and blocking out the noise is good. I know that was bill Belichick's

00:05:18 big thing, but I think for anybody doing anything, you don't want to hear again, not to totally

00:05:23 compare myself to an NFL head coach, but when I started doing this at first, you know, I

00:05:27 was doing it and nobody was watching and nobody was reading and nobody was listening.

00:05:30 And then more people were, and there were comments on YouTube and on social media. And

00:05:34 I realized that when I let myself sink too much into the comments, I start reacting to

00:05:39 them. I'm not saying Gerard Mayo's going through and, you know, watching Patriots beat and

00:05:43 listening to all the podcasts and reading every call.

00:05:46 Come on. He's obviously listening.

00:05:48 Yes. What's up Gerard? I think, and to a larger extent, the organization I think is heard

00:05:55 the reaction to free agency. And this felt like the rebuttal to what a lot of people

00:06:01 were saying about how Patriots free agency has went. That doesn't, you know, will that

00:06:06 carry over to how they act in the draft, how they act in future free agencies? I don't

00:06:10 know. Does that even necessarily mean it was the wrong thing to do? I don't know. I don't

00:06:14 know. You know, I didn't want them to go out there and totally blow up their whole off

00:06:17 season plan. That would have been terrible. It was just, that felt like for everything

00:06:23 that's whether it was in, it may not have even been intentional. Maybe they felt this

00:06:28 way, but maybe they kind of heard the noise and the messaging that was told to Mayo.

00:06:38 Hey, this is what we want our men. Cause don't kid yourself. There's organizational, you

00:06:42 know, for lack of a better term, collaborative effort on this is what we want our message

00:06:46 to be. It felt like a response to what a lot of the talk has been since the last time we

00:06:51 heard Mayo and, and Wolf talk at the combine. Yeah. Yeah. It's like it's growing pains,

00:06:58 right? Like he said it and maybe the plan is good that they didn't go spend a bunch

00:07:03 of money and burn a bunch of cash on like these tier two, tier three free agents kind

00:07:07 of like they did in 21, but you're going to get this backlash. I think Andrew Callahan

00:07:11 kind of, I think he tweeted it. It was kind of funny that, you know, Mayo sits down and

00:07:15 makes the joke about orange juice. And then halfway through the press conference, he spills

00:07:18 the orange juice on himself. So it was kind of like summarizing everything and these growing

00:07:23 pains that, that they're going through. But yeah, so that, that was a big thing. There

00:07:27 was a lot of kind of comments about ownership there and how their hands off football, they're

00:07:33 giving them the free will to spend the big money if they needed. But cause they didn't

00:07:37 get Calvin Ridley, that was kind of their big fish that they wanted to spend that money

00:07:40 on. They kind of, you know, focused on resigning their players. He said like resigning an offensive

00:07:45 lineman. I get it. And Michael Winnew isn't going to be a sexy pick, but you know, he's

00:07:49 a good football player. You want to bring those guys back. So that was kind of, kind

00:07:54 of his message on that. And then, you know, saying we're trying to build this thing the

00:07:58 right way, which he said, draft and develop probably a handful, multiple handfuls of times

00:08:03 throughout the whole thing. We know how that that's going to be their main approach. And

00:08:08 he also, he hit on the wide receiver position as well. He said, they're kind of in on the

00:08:14 trade market, but then he kind of shifted it right to the draft. He said, this is a

00:08:18 really good draft class. I don't know. Did you, when you were hearing that, did, I mean,

00:08:22 he said like, yeah, we're open on the trade market, but I thought he seemed much more

00:08:26 centered on the draft for that wide receiver position.

00:08:30 I thought so too. But again, it was a lot of hedging. It was a lot of, you know, we

00:08:33 could do a, but we could also do B and it's like, all right, well, those are your two

00:08:36 options and yes, we know you can do one or the other. It's, it's funny. It almost feels

00:08:41 like, and again, I don't know that he's doing this on purpose or not. I honestly don't think

00:08:46 he entirely is. I think some of it is him just feeling out this whole NFL head coach

00:08:50 media thing.

00:08:52 Bill Belichick would say nothing. So we knew nothing. Bill Belichick would, would, would

00:08:57 not indicate that the Patriots are gonna do anything. And so we had a guess. Gerard Mayo

00:09:02 says the Patriots could do everything, everything puts everything on the table. And just, so

00:09:09 we've gone from the coach who says nothing as an option to the coach who gives us all

00:09:13 the options. And we still end up on the same point. We don't know anything because if they're

00:09:18 considering everything, we know just as much as if we don't know what they're considering

00:09:23 at all.

00:09:25 So it's, it's, it's funny in that regard. I thought this was an instance of that where

00:09:28 they probably are exploring trades. They probably are looking at guys on the draft. He said

00:09:33 one, he realized, well, I, you know, I don't want to give away any information. So he says

00:09:37 the other, and now we're right back to square one of, could they trade for a guy? Could

00:09:42 they draft a guy? That's where we've been. We've just heard him say that both are options,

00:09:45 which we kind of knew.

00:09:47 It's an interesting strategy. It's an interesting media strategy. It's an overload instead of

00:09:53 a total blackout. And I, we'll, we'll see what happens with it. But yeah, I mean, with

00:09:58 the, with the free agents, with the pick, with everything, it's all on the table. All

00:10:02 we know is that they're considering everything, which is good. They should be considering

00:10:07 everything. And I think some things are better options than others. And he kind of talked

00:10:12 about it. And I know you want to talk about free agency. I'm sorry. I keep jumping ahead.

00:10:15 When we talk about the third overall pick, I was going to, I was going to go there.

00:10:20 Right. Okay. So we'd consider trading it. You know, if we can get an absolute haul,

00:10:25 we'd consider trading it, but we also, there's options for guys. We can take who will help

00:10:29 us in quarterbacks, important quarterbacks and priority. Like these are all things we

00:10:33 already knew. And I mean, I definitely have my preference. I think they should make the

00:10:38 pick. We've talked about this. A lot of people think that there's some people who think they'd

00:10:42 be better off trading the pick. We knew those were options. Those are options. They're considering

00:10:46 you. It's good. They're considering everything. What we don't know is what those considerations

00:10:50 are going to lead to. And that's kind of where we're left from today. It's like, all right,

00:10:54 we thought everything might be on the table.

00:10:55 We thought they might take a very thorough approach. They're taking a very thorough approach.

00:11:01 The end game still a mystery. And again, I'm not faulting him. He, if he went out there

00:11:04 lay and said, we're going to take Drake may we think Drake mays the best quarterback in

00:11:08 this draft. Drake mays the only quarterback we want. Well, now all you've done is given

00:11:12 Washington all the reasons in the world to start leaking. They're going to take Drake

00:11:15 may and force your hand to trade them the bag to go up and get him at two. So I don't

00:11:21 know if this come across the criticism, it's just interesting how different it is from

00:11:25 what we're used to with Belichick.

00:11:27 I don't know whether it's better or worse. It's certainly different, but like with Belichick,

00:11:32 you know, Belichick, if he was still the coach would have gone out there today and we've

00:11:35 done, you know, ask him about the third overall pick. Yeah. You know, Matt's team's working

00:11:42 on that. We'll, we'll, we'll have an answer. You'll know in a month. Then, you know, you

00:11:46 ask about spending your free agency, the deals we wanted to make weren't there. We would

00:11:51 have made the deals we want to make. And again, we wouldn't know nothing. And here we are

00:11:53 again and we know nothing.

00:11:55 We just have to have to transcribe more.

00:11:57 It is just a lot more driving, which is my least favorite thing to do. Uh, so in that

00:12:03 sense, I don't love it, but it's also helps us at the word count a little bit easier.

00:12:08 So it's a given a thing.

00:12:09 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It is just a, an interesting, different, different approach. But again,

00:12:14 like big picture, we still don't know what the plan is here. So, uh, he did talk a lot

00:12:19 about that number three pick and kind of the two avenues they could take with a trade or

00:12:24 a taking one of those quarterbacks. He talked about some of the quarterbacks, but, uh, he

00:12:28 was first asked about the trade. And he said, if someone offers a bag, as we would say a

00:12:32 lot of first round picks, uh, we definitely have to talk about those things as we can

00:12:36 tell you.

00:12:37 He did, he did qualify the bag. Sorry. I just cut in. He did. I think I'm pretty sure he

00:12:40 qualified the bag as a multiple first round picks, right? Yeah, that was, that was the

00:12:44 exact quote. He said, if someone offers a bag, as we would say a lot of first round

00:12:48 picks a lot. So a lot to me means three plus. So correct. Good. That is that we've, we've

00:12:55 been saying that since the Minnesota trade, that phone call starts, you're going to give

00:12:59 me three first round picks and what that is how that phone call should start.

00:13:03 And it sounds like they feel the same way. So that's, that's good. Like to hear that.

00:13:07 And the second part of that quote was he said, the guaranteed way to win is to accumulate

00:13:11 more picks. So if we don't feel convicted at number three, we are willing to do that

00:13:16 as well. That was another big thing he w he was kind of talking about, which we've been

00:13:19 saying a lot is we have to be convicted that this guy we pick at number three is going

00:13:23 to be a franchise guy is what he said, which, you know, the worst thing you can do is force

00:13:28 a pick at a, at a quarter at a quarterback.

00:13:30 Just to tell you, like, we don't really say it's Jaden Daniels. We don't really believe

00:13:34 in Jaden Daniels like a hundred percent, but we just need a quarterback. So we're going

00:13:37 to pick them and hope that he works. That's how you end up the jets. That's how you end

00:13:41 up with Sam Darnold and then go into Zach Wilson. So it was good that he hear you wanted

00:13:45 to be convicted. Like 100% that this guy is the guy and they're going to pick him at three

00:13:51 if he's there. But what'd you think of him saying, you know, the guaranteed way to win

00:13:56 is to accumulate more picks.

00:13:59 That sounds like somebody in a draft and develop program, the more shots you get at it, especially

00:14:03 if you're confident in it, the more good players you have that to me. And I think it makes

00:14:09 it maybe seem a little more likely they're going to trade down. But the other thing I

00:14:11 think about that is he doesn't say first round picks. He doesn't say, you know, I think the

00:14:15 trade down from 34 and yes, I published a mock draft today, 98, five sports of.com in

00:14:21 which I traded up from 34 still ended up making eight picks.

00:14:24 Uh, I had already traded down another month. I think that trade down from 34 or even maybe

00:14:29 68, like they're going to trade down at some point. So I asked this question on Twitter

00:14:34 today, Brian Patriots currently have eight picks in the draft. I think it's, I got to

00:14:41 go look up the number. I think it's three last five, four, the last five drafts, they

00:14:46 ended up making more picks than they were originally scheduled to when the first round

00:14:49 began. So over under eight and a half picks, how many do they end up making regardless

00:14:55 of where just like total picks?

00:14:57 I think it's going to be over. I think that it's going to be, I think they're going to

00:14:59 end up making nine or 10 picks by the time the thing said and done. And to add to that,

00:15:03 they have 20 roster spots right now and they'll probably sign a couple more guys, but 20 roster

00:15:08 spots at this point is good amount. So it doesn't mean they'll draft 20 players, but

00:15:12 do they draft 10 and then sign five, six, seven UDFs like that feels like it's on the

00:15:17 table. So I don't know if you have like a number in mind, but I think nine to 10 picks

00:15:21 is definitely a, the way it's trending right now.

00:15:24 Yeah. Yeah. I would, I would have said over, over eight and then probably right in that

00:15:28 nine to 10 range probably even cause even if you don't trade back from three, like,

00:15:33 and even if you moved up at like in our last mock draft and the one you posted, like we

00:15:37 moved up from 34 up into the late twenties and then we moved back from 68 we moved down

00:15:43 like eight picks. So our mock draft, we traded up and then we traded down and we still had

00:15:47 eight picks. So you think there's some point along the lines that they can kind of move

00:15:50 around and pick up a ninth, 10th pick. And then you're, you get into UDF phase, you're

00:15:56 probably looking at maybe a 13, 14, 15 member rookie class, depending on how many, how many

00:16:00 kind of veterans that they, they sign there. So right. Definitely going to be definitely

00:16:07 going to be some action. You'd assume throughout the draft there, if it's number three, we'll,

00:16:11 we'll see what the bag probably depends how they feel about those quarterbacks again,

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00:17:20 All right. So if they don't trade down, you assume it's going to be one of these quarterbacks

00:17:28 at three. I thought it was kind of interesting. You got to say that again. You're in bananas.

00:17:33 I cut out. Yeah, kind of. You're a robot. You're good now, but you were wrong. Okay.

00:17:39 So if they don't move out of pick three, if they stay at three, it's going to be most

00:17:45 likely whichever quarterback kind of falls to them. And I thought it was interesting.

00:17:50 You know, Mario was saying when he first sat down and started evaluating these guys, he

00:17:54 thought it was a three man race. You assume it was Caleb Williams, Drake May and Jaden

00:17:57 Daniels. And now he's working through these pro days, these 30 visits getting to meet

00:18:02 these guys. And he said there's, uh, he believes there's five guys, honestly, that could come

00:18:06 in and be solid quarterbacks in the future. So, and then I think, didn't he say five or

00:18:11 six later on later? He added like that five or six. So you assume he realized he missed

00:18:16 one. Yeah. So I can't, they were at hand. I don't, I don't think he was at the Oregon

00:18:21 pro day specifically, but they had a lot of people watching Bo Nix earlier this off season.

00:18:26 They had a good amount of people extensively meeting with JJ McCarthy and Michigan who

00:18:31 we can talk about in a bit. So you, you'd assume they're four and five and whatever

00:18:35 order you want. And then maybe that six one slipped in there, which could be Pennix who

00:18:40 all things have been quiet on, on the Panics front, but, uh, that's how he's viewing it.

00:18:45 Five or six quarterbacks that could be solid in the NFL in the future in this rookie class,

00:18:51 which again, if he believes there's a starting quarterback and I mean, I guess it's up to

00:18:54 Wolf, but like, if he's speaking on behalf of the team, then you take the guy, you don't

00:18:59 leave a starting quarterback on the board when you don't have a starting quarterback,

00:19:03 which I said earlier, he said some things that made me think maybe they'll trade down

00:19:06 from three.

00:19:07 This was the one thing I look at and I say, no, they're staying at three and they're taking

00:19:09 the quarterback. Now the question is, will they take the right quarterback? Yeah. Someone,

00:19:15 this made me laugh. He added five cause he wanted some Joe Milton. Yeah, exactly. I said,

00:19:21 we'll take the right quarterback. Shout out to Milton. Yeah. Uh, but the two you assume

00:19:26 are going to be, you know, the discussion at number three is Jaden Daniels or, or Drake

00:19:31 may, he talked a lot about one of them and not so much about the other. And the one was,

00:19:36 you know, Drake may, uh, he praises, you know, competitiveness, his toughness, which is two

00:19:41 big things we've heard a lot throughout this kind of cycle says he was a great interview

00:19:45 at the combine.

00:19:46 You know, his leadership kind of, uh, excelled. And he said he had, he's got no ceiling as

00:19:51 a player. He didn't mention the floor, right? You don't want too low of a floor with guys

00:19:56 like that, but he really seemed to, you know, hype up Drake may. And then they asked him

00:20:01 about Jaden Daniels and he's like, Oh yeah, I was on a zoom call with Jaden Daniels. We

00:20:05 have a pro day this week. Drake mays also has a pro day, but it was kind of a weird

00:20:10 contrast between the two. I would say, I don't know if you would agree. It seemed like he

00:20:15 was much higher on may than he was at Daniels kind of at this point.

00:20:19 Yeah. Well, I mean, we don't know, cause we don't know what he thought about Daniels again,

00:20:23 was that he caught himself and realized he raved about a guy and didn't want to keep

00:20:26 doing it. Is that actually how he feels? It's, it's tough to say. I also, he got asked if,

00:20:31 you know, he said they don't know what Washington's going to do with two. I wonder if it's a

00:20:35 weird something where the work they've done on maze a little more thorough just because

00:20:39 he's, they believe he's more likely to be on the board of three than Daniels is.

00:20:44 Yeah, that's also a good point. But, uh, yeah, he said the floor quote was just pulling up.

00:20:52 I know a lot of people look at ceiling, but you also have to see how low the floor, he

00:20:56 has a lot of room to grow. He's a young guy that was again, talking about Drake may. So,

00:21:01 uh, that, that's what we, we've kind of said about may, right? He's 21. He's got all the

00:21:05 tools. He's got all the upside, but he can get a little funky on his lower body. He can

00:21:11 get a little erratic. He can miss some throws. So that floor might be lower than, than some

00:21:15 of those other guys, like a Jaden Daniels maybe in that class. So are you like, how's

00:21:22 your evaluation here? Are you just shooting for the upside? Does that floor, does that

00:21:26 floor bot like come into play for you, especially at this quarter? Cause I feel like the quarterback

00:21:30 position is probably a little bit different here. So how worried are you like for ceiling

00:21:35 kind of with your prospects at that position? I mean, I, I think you've got to trust your

00:21:39 staff and if they're open to sitting a guy, I don't think the floor matters as much if

00:21:45 they're open to sitting a guy for a year. Now, to me, what it comes down to, if it does

00:21:48 come down to Daniels in may, which it's based on new reporting today, it sounds like he

00:21:53 could like both those guys could be on the board. Do you want the more raw upside of

00:22:00 a guy like Jaden Daniels, who I think has a higher ceiling outright, but you could have

00:22:06 that or you have the guy in Drake may, who I think is close, but is a better fit realistically

00:22:11 for what Alex van Pelt wants to do.

00:22:12 And maybe it's just a smoother transition and that could close the gap where you're

00:22:17 not going to have to adjust as much. He's not going to have to adjust as much. There's

00:22:20 maybe a little bit less risk there inherently. Uh, and that's, that's a real question. I,

00:22:26 you know, I personally, and I've said this, Jane Daniels has been my QB two since like

00:22:32 January. Actually, I think going back for, and I think since the end of the regular season,

00:22:37 but I think he's close enough with may that I, I just saw them railroad a guy's development.

00:22:43 I'm not going through that again. I think Drake may has the easiest developmental tract

00:22:49 in that they can more or less execute the plan they want with quarterback X, right?

00:22:54 With generic quarterback. It's the easiest to plug Drake may into that. Whereas with

00:22:59 Jane Daniels, you're going to have to kind of, and not that they can't do it. And you

00:23:03 might look at me and say, quarterback's the most important position, change your plan,

00:23:09 go get the guy with the better upside, go get the guy who has a chance to be better

00:23:12 to which I would say, that's a perfectly fair take.

00:23:16 It's a flavor thing. What you want, what are you looking for? What specifically do you

00:23:20 want to get out of this pick? We talked about this. I think if you're ranking it out of

00:23:24 a hundred, if we're going to do the PFF grades, I would grade a pick of Jane Daniels. Same

00:23:30 as I would grade a pick of Drake may, but it would come down to what are the next steps?

00:23:36 How do you want to approach developing the quarterback? Whatever you prioritize in that

00:23:40 process, whatever you prioritize in a skillset, that's, what's going to dictate it for me,

00:23:46 looking at who they have on the coaching staff, it's Alex Van Pelt.

00:23:51 If they'd hired different coordinators, I might feel differently. Cause again, I think

00:23:55 in a bubble, if we're giving them Madden ratings, Jane Daniels, much better for quarterback

00:23:59 a little bit, but I think the scheme fit with Drake may closes the gap, but this is good.

00:24:04 And this is part of the reason that JJ McCarthy stuff annoyed me is because this real conversation,

00:24:09 this is the real fun conversation that we haven't gotten to have until right now. And

00:24:13 I guess we're having in part, thanks to JJ McCarthy is if both guys are on the board

00:24:17 of three Jane Daniels and Drake may, who do you take? This should be the big question

00:24:23 of this draft season. And now finally, it seems like here we are, we may actually get

00:24:27 to discuss it.

00:24:29 And that's because we had, what was the Tom Pellisero on NFL network? I think today he

00:24:34 was, he was live and he said, you know, talking to people, some of the owners, executives

00:24:39 around the league, who's Washington leaning at number two. And the consensus answer was

00:24:44 JJ McCarthy as he continues to kind of skyrocket up the board. Now this is the same personnel

00:24:52 group and Adam Peters from San Fran who, you know, was hyping up. They had people thinking

00:24:56 they were going to pick Mac Jones at number three, but he's also comes from a team that

00:25:00 had Brock Purdy. Who's kind of say similar to JJ McCarthy a little bit. He's got a little

00:25:06 Brock Purdy in them. So maybe Washington really does like JJ McCarthy. And that sets the table

00:25:13 for the Patriots to have their choice here between Drake man, Jane Daniels.

00:25:17 The names I've given is my floor and my ceiling for JJ McCarthy or Zach Wilson and Brock Purdy

00:25:23 Purdy obviously was drafted by the actual Niners and Zach Wilson was drafted after the

00:25:28 jets Niner five, their coaching staff with solid on the floor. So it makes some sense

00:25:35 that a 40 Niners executive would be in on this kind of player. I just again, wonder,

00:25:43 and I think that, that my perceived hatred of JJ McCarthy, the train's gotten away from

00:25:49 me a little bit. I just think Jay, I, you know, let me do this. Here's what I wrote

00:25:54 back in January on my bottom line, scouting report on JJ McCarthy.

00:25:59 And I still for the record feel this way. So still how I feel, I know it's been twisted

00:26:04 that I hate him and this and that, this is how I feel. If you feel strongly about McCarthy

00:26:09 standing as a prospect one way or the other, you're probably kidding yourself. There's

00:26:15 just not close to enough high impact reps on tape to fully evaluate where he's at as

00:26:20 a player. Res relative to most quarterback prospects. He certainly has upside, especially

00:26:25 with his young age and athleticism, but he still needs time to develop whatever team

00:26:29 drafts him.

00:26:30 We'll need to have a strong development plan in place and a willingness to be patient.

00:26:33 A team that has a veteran old starter in place, but we'll need a new quarterback in a year

00:26:38 or two could be the best landing spot for him. Setting up a Patrick Mahomes, Jordan

00:26:42 love type development plan. That is still how I feel. JJ McCarthy is a guy that's all

00:26:48 about the situation. If you put him in a good situation, he's probably going to be okay,

00:26:55 but that's why I can't understand him as a top pick.

00:26:58 Because if you're picking on the top 10, it's probably not a good situation for a quarterback.

00:27:04 I would say Washington is better than some teams actually have some receivers, right?

00:27:09 They have Terry McLaurin, but if they're going to draft him and sit him for a year, have

00:27:19 at it fine. Because again, there are some tools there to work with. If you're drafting

00:27:25 JJ McCarthy to be a franchise guy, play him year one week one, it's going to have nothing

00:27:30 around him. You're counting on him to elevate everybody.

00:27:34 I think that's Zach Wilson waiting to happen. So in terms of going second overall, I see

00:27:39 where Washington is coming from and it probably makes more sense for Washington than it does

00:27:44 for the Patriots or even I'd say for the giants who are another quarterback team, who who's

00:27:51 their best weapon, Darren Waller, and he might retire. Like he's considering retiring. Like

00:27:56 I look at, I don't think Washington's a great fit. Like Minnesota, that's why the Minnesota

00:28:03 trade up made so much sense to me because they have Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison,

00:28:08 TJ Hawkins in a good offensive line.

00:28:11 You're just going to plug them in and let him go. And he's going to be serviceable.

00:28:14 He's going to be net neutral and that's all you need. I don't think you need to draft

00:28:17 that guy in the first round, but you've built up enough for roster that you can get a high

00:28:20 level net neutral quarterback, which is a bit of a knock moron, but whatever. So that's

00:28:26 kind of where I'm at with it. That's where I'm at. Like, I, I don't think he sucks. I

00:28:31 just think he's going to be a product of his environment. I don't think he's bad. I just

00:28:34 don't think he's good. So if you have the environment and you look at where Adam Peters

00:28:40 is coming from, he specializes in this kind of quarterback.

00:28:43 He may say, I can get this roster to that place in a year. This is my chance to get

00:28:47 the guy I'm going to sit him and then boom, we're going to go. Yeah, it makes some sense.

00:28:53 If you're going to put him in a bad situation, you shouldn't put any quarterback in a bad

00:28:57 situation, but I don't think he has the tools. Some of these other guys do to at least handle

00:29:02 it a little bit better. He's also had people point to him being a winner, 27 and one in

00:29:07 college. Yes. What does that, what is that going to look like when he starts losing?

00:29:12 Cause he's not going to go 17 and one his first year as an NFL starter. If he gets drafted

00:29:18 by the commanders or he gets drafted by the Patriots or probably anybody Mack Jones was

00:29:23 heralded as this like leader had it between the, between the years, kid, he'd never lost.

00:29:30 And then he started losing. So that's just where I'm at. I, I, I think he's very situation

00:29:36 specific. I understand why Washington may get giddy at the idea of that pick because

00:29:41 they just made Brock Purdy work. And the idea is to replicate that. I still don't see it

00:29:48 for the Patriots and I still don't see it for most of the teams in the top 10. If Minnesota

00:29:51 trades up again, that's another story. Yeah. Well he's QB one on Harbaugh's board. So maybe

00:29:56 that your chargers dream scenario, prove it, trade Justin Herbert to the Patriots or trade

00:30:02 him to the Vikings and take JJ McGrath and let's see it, Jim. Let's see it. He's so freaking

00:30:11 good. Again, I, I can't stress this enough. It's not that I hate JJ McCarthy. I hate the

00:30:17 undue hype he's gotten throughout this process. I hate the JJ McCarthy hype machine. No problem

00:30:23 with him. It's the people pumping him for reasons I still don't understand. Like he's

00:30:29 fine. There's nothing wrong with being fine. He's fine. I don't know why we have to make

00:30:33 him more than he is. That's what annoys me. Yeah. He's getting the quarterback bump, the

00:30:38 classic quarterback bump. There's some enticing, there are some really enticing traits with

00:30:43 him. He's a solid athlete. He's got a really good arm, but you know, you look at some of

00:30:48 the other guys at the top of the draft, these guys look like guys who can come in day one

00:30:52 and start and, you know, down the line, be the bus driver of your team.

00:30:57 That's something we talked about a lot with Mac, someone who can drive the bus and lead

00:31:01 you to wins JJ, you know, he's probably, he, I think he, I think you and I both think he

00:31:08 has to start on the bench at least, you know, you know, till Halloween. If he's in Minnesota,

00:31:14 if he's in Minnesota, he could maybe that's yeah. Yeah. That offense in those, those weapons.

00:31:19 I could see him starting day one there, but like, then he's with those offense in that

00:31:25 offense and with those weapons, like he's not driving the bus there.

00:31:28 He's just kind of a lawn for the ride. And I think if you're drafting a quarterback second

00:31:33 overall or in the Patriots case, third overall, I want the bus driver, right? I don't want

00:31:38 someone who's just a lawn for the ride. Like JJ, like we project JJ McCarthy would be.

00:31:44 And to the people who are saying, well, that's kind of how Drake may is described. We're

00:31:48 like, he might need to sit. He might be a little bit raw one. He's just athletically

00:31:55 physically more impressive. He's bigger, he's faster. He's stronger, same physical sort

00:32:02 of prototype.

00:32:03 If you want to go there, but there's more of it with Drake may. He's also just seen

00:32:07 more football. He has more experience of the top six quarterbacks. JJ McCarthy is the only

00:32:15 one who didn't throw at least 350 passes in each of the last two seasons for a reference

00:32:21 point, Michael Pennix threw over 500 passes in both Drake may through 517 passes two years

00:32:28 ago in 425 last year. Like there's just, there's, and I don't think there's a perfectly complete

00:32:34 picture of Drake.

00:32:35 Man, I don't think there's a perfectly complete picture with any prospect, but there's, I've

00:32:41 seen more of him where I know what he does well. I know what he doesn't do well. I kind

00:32:46 of know what the moves are going to be need to be around him. You kind of get an idea

00:32:51 of what the coaching points are going to be to go back to the ice cream comparison. JJ

00:32:57 McCarthy's an empty bowl. Like you don't even know like Drake may there's, there's, there's

00:33:04 ice cream in the bowl.

00:33:05 You're going to add toppings, whatever, but you have ice cream in there. You have a general

00:33:07 idea. You haven't even gone to the store to buy the ice cream yet with JJ McCarthy. And

00:33:10 it's just that much longer of a process. And I don't, I don't know if the Patriots want

00:33:14 to go through it at this point can afford to go through that kind of process at this

00:33:17 point, if it was 2018 and Brady was still here and you knew, all right, we're going

00:33:22 to need a new quarterback in one or two years. JJ McCarthy's the exact guy. They should draft

00:33:28 the exact guy. They should draft like that's in look, the guy didn't ultimately work out

00:33:32 2019.

00:33:34 I wanted them to take true lock because I thought true lock was that guy. I would not

00:33:38 have taken drew lock with the top five pick. I would not have taken drew lock to start

00:33:41 a rebuild, but I kind of like what he showed. And it was like, Hey, get this guy in the

00:33:45 building. Let's see. And you don't have to bank on him. Cause the main guy's still here.

00:33:50 That's the guy to me, JJ McCarthy is he's right for some programs, some situations.

00:33:57 I just don't think he's right for the Patriots situation right now.

00:34:01 Wash. I don't think he's right for Washington either, but I understand why they think that.

00:34:04 And that may ultimately be the gift to the Patriots is JJ McCarthy goes second. And we've

00:34:08 talked about how, yeah, you can like both Drake may and Jane Daniels, but it sucks.

00:34:13 You have to default on your guy. Well, now maybe you don't have to, or you have to default

00:34:17 on your choice. It's made for you. Now, maybe you don't, which definitely changes things

00:34:23 like the, the, the JJ McCarthy hype, which is very reminiscent to me of will Levis last

00:34:27 year just was Reddit.

00:34:30 I don't love it. It may end up being an absolute godsend for the Patriots or JJ McCarthy may

00:34:36 end up going in the second round. Like we'll have us did that. That would just besides

00:34:42 JJ McCarthy going second and like that mess and that, that chaos that would ensue, like

00:34:48 it would be just awesome to see the Patriots have their choice between Jane and Daniels

00:34:51 and Drake may, and just see who they pick just to see how they go about this process

00:34:55 and how they evaluated everything like that.

00:34:58 That would just be like the dream scenario to have both of those guys there and see who

00:35:02 they pick. That to me should be the conversation of this draft. That should have been the debate

00:35:07 we've been having the last two months. And for the next month, that should be the overarching

00:35:13 discussion where we're having around this class.

00:35:15 Cause it's the most interesting part of this class. It will sack the wide receiver class

00:35:20 is fascinating, but it's up there. Drake may Jane Daniels, which way do you go into your

00:35:24 point? I wish we were debating it more. I wish the draft experts were debating more

00:35:29 and I wish the team had to debate it. We'd get to see that. That would be interesting.

00:35:33 And maybe we will. You didn't answer by the way. If JJ McCarthy goes second, who are you

00:35:38 taking? I'll get the Godfather offer. I'm going Drake may. Okay. Drake may is my dream

00:35:44 scenario at three. So that's, that's who I'm hoping, hoping slides, but uh, yeah, I'd love

00:35:51 them to get, get the pick. Cause it's one thing if, you know, I want Drake may, but

00:35:57 it's one thing if like Jane Daniels, like Drake may goes to, and then they kind of like

00:36:02 that they just take Jane Daniels, but if both of them on the, on the board and then they

00:36:05 take Jane Daniels, you kind of feel more confident in that because you know, like they said,

00:36:09 they want to be convicted in the pick. So, uh, that, that would be really interesting

00:36:13 to see. But again, we're, we're talking JJ McCarthy going so high cause NFL network was

00:36:18 saying that was kind of the scuttlebutt at the owner meetings that he might go to. Um,

00:36:22 sports illustrated to said McCarthy had lengthy meetings before his pro day last week with

00:36:27 the commanders and the Patriots, uh, who were pretty well represented out there. So the

00:36:32 JJ McCarthy, uh, hype kinda kinda keeps rising here. And if he goes to great, that's great

00:36:39 news for the Patriots, but we'll, we'll kind of see where that, that resides. So, uh, last

00:36:45 thing on the quarterbacks from Mayo this morning, uh, I thought it was interesting cause I hear

00:36:50 a lot of the arguments is this team worth, is it worth picking a quarterback this high,

00:36:56 right? Cause the state of the, of the team, there's so many other holes on the roster.

00:37:00 He said, well, it's 100% constructed to support a rookie quarterback from the personnel and

00:37:06 the coaching staff. And someone also asked him what he kind of learned from the Mac Jones

00:37:10 experiment. Uh, and he said, you know, he learned that you need to develop a quarterback.

00:37:15 It's not only players you put around him, but the coaches, uh, you put her around him

00:37:19 as well, which we saw very well over the last two years with Mac Jones. So that was one

00:37:24 of the more definitive things drawn Mayo said, and that should be viewed as a shot at Matt

00:37:29 Patricia, a hundred percent and Joe judge or whoever. Yeah, that was one word, you know,

00:37:34 he said a lot of things that could seem like a shot at bill throughout the, you know, his

00:37:39 first two and a half months, which most of it I think was just Gerard being Gerard, but

00:37:43 that one specifically saying, you know, the, the coaches you put around him as well, that

00:37:47 one kind of seemed like the direct, direct shot at bill on how he handled Mac the last

00:37:51 few years.

00:37:52 Oh yeah. Rightfully so I would say. Yep. But, uh, anything, anything that we missed from

00:37:59 the quarterbacks there or that, that number three pick, we can get into some of the other

00:38:04 little details that Gerard hit on, but anything else? I mean, that was kind of the base.

00:38:08 I think that's pretty much that. Yeah. Yep. So we learned a lot, but we learned nothing,

00:38:14 nothing at all. They might trade it or they might, they might pick a quarterback. And

00:38:17 again, not much was learned. Yep. And Jaden Daniels will throw at his pro day Wednesday

00:38:23 at LSU and Drake may is Thursday. Gerard Elliott, Wolf, TST and ADP will all be in attendance.

00:38:30 So a big week for the quarterbacks, but just we'll wrap it up with some of the, you know,

00:38:36 a few other details that came up out of Gerard's press conference.

00:38:39 I think one of the big ones was Christian Barmore, uh, you know, speaking of drafting,

00:38:44 developing and extending, this is a guy they drafted Christian Barmore. He's played very

00:38:49 well. Gerard Mayo says they've opened kind of started contract discussions with him.

00:38:54 That's something we all obviously want to see done. So good, good sign that they are,

00:38:58 are starting those and we'll see what those lead. Yeah. If, if this is what they're going

00:39:03 to do, draft and develop, and you're going to, you know, pocket 60 million in cap space

00:39:06 after free agency, you got to keep the guys on your team that can play. And we've talked

00:39:10 about Jude on situation. It's a unique one where he has one year left on his deal. No

00:39:13 guaranteed money. I wouldn't commit to him super long-term. I still think the idea of

00:39:17 trading him is kind of interesting, especially after the comment today about adding draft

00:39:23 picks, um, and Barmore the Barmore essentially have to get them.

00:39:27 They just, I mean, you, you hit emphatically on that traffic. I think he's probably their

00:39:33 biggest draft hit since I'd say he's a, is he a bigger draft hit than on when, who I

00:39:38 would kind of say so probably, uh, I mean, let's see you value like the six round fine

00:39:45 so much. I did. So that's the thing. It's like a different kind of pit, but you know,

00:39:49 when's the last time they hit, I guess when's the last time they hit on a top 100 pick,

00:39:52 like they hit on Barmore, would it be Joe Tooney? I guess I was going to say, Juney

00:39:57 eight years ago now. So you can build defense around that guy. You keep that guy. I would

00:40:02 love to see them pay Barmore.

00:40:04 Obviously I'd like to see them pay you. I don't want to be like, I'm like, yeah, I trade

00:40:07 you on, but that one's a bit more interesting. It sounds like they want to keep them. My

00:40:11 guess is it's like a one year bump. They pay him through 25 and then the two sides go their

00:40:18 separate ways that that would be my guess. No inside information there. Just, I don't

00:40:23 think there for a team that wants to draft and develop, it's going to be a little bit

00:40:27 of a longer rebuild.

00:40:28 Judon's an older guy. You want him in the locker room. He's a good presence, you know,

00:40:32 veteran, all of that. But realistically, he's not going to be this level of player when

00:40:36 you truly are contending. So why commit big money to him down the road? I just think that's

00:40:41 how they're going to view it. Cause at the end, Matt, you know, it's great. He was a

00:40:44 great signing. I know we all love Matt to do it on, but at the end of the day, it is

00:40:47 business. And right now it's a bit of a numbers crunch. When you talk about anything long

00:40:52 term with judon.

00:40:53 Yeah, yeah, definitely one, like one extra year added onto this. You could see that he

00:40:58 didn't mention specifically, he said he like, he was a great fit culture wise for them.

00:41:02 So that could be something that, you know, he said those conversations have started to,

00:41:06 we know he's still a premier rusher in this league as we continue to go forward. We want

00:41:09 to, we want him to be a piece of it. So it looks like they, they're planning on him being

00:41:14 around and you know, get, get the Christian bar more done too. You know, you have plenty

00:41:19 of money to get that done. Just let's get that one done. So those were their defensive

00:41:24 line kind of updates their offensive line. He confirmed the earlier reports that Mike

00:41:30 and when you will start a right tackle, he didn't necessarily rule out that he might

00:41:35 eventually bump back to guard. He said that's what he'll start at right tackle. But once

00:41:40 again, big Mike can play multiple positions. So we got to have those conversations going

00:41:44 forward. But as we, you know, kind of talked about, he'll start at right, right tackle.

00:41:48 And he was asked about left tackle. He, he kind of left that one more open and said,

00:41:52 we still have room to add at the position, but he did specifically mention Chuck's a

00:41:57 core for who they signed, you know, right before free agency started, which we've talked

00:42:01 a lot. That should kind of be their, their worst case scenario there with a core for

00:42:06 who hasn't played left tackle since college, which was six, seven years ago. But that was

00:42:10 the one name he did specifically mentioned in that left tackle conversation.

00:42:14 But again, looks like we assume they're going to add a left tackle in the draft at that

00:42:18 spot as well. I, I touched on this in my mock draft today, again, 95, the sports of.com

00:42:24 that I wonder if they just look at it and he's the bridge guy and they, they're talking

00:42:30 themselves into her. However you, it's probably a poor way to phrase it, but we got Chuck's

00:42:34 at left tackle. We can go receiver 34 after taking the quarterback and then we'll develop

00:42:40 a guy, you know, we'll take a developmental guy. Ideally he's ready year one. If not,

00:42:44 we attack the position next year. Like I think Chuck's a core for, is that bridge left tackle?

00:42:50 It's just maybe a little bit of a shorter bridge where like, if you signed Jonah Williams,

00:42:54 you're good this year. Like you still should take a tackle, but you can go, you know, I

00:42:58 think it'll fit six, seventh round with their only tackle and be okay.

00:43:01 Cause the idea is you get the quarterback, you get the receiver, you're going to attack

00:43:04 tackle next year. Now it's just, all right, like let's really try to, we acknowledge we're

00:43:10 going project player at tackle. Let's try to get the highest end project player we can,

00:43:14 but that does kind of buy you outside of the top 50. That does maybe allow you to slide

00:43:18 to 68 and take, um, you know, the kid from Yale whose name I'm still working on or Javon

00:43:24 Foster or, you know, a player in that range. Maybe Patrick, Patrick Paul's probably the

00:43:30 highest end. He he's like right on the line between project player and instant contributor.

00:43:37 And maybe they, like, if he slides, just like, we just, we know we'll need like a month to

00:43:41 get this guy ready. And we just need a core for to get us through a month, like that kind

00:43:45 of thing. But it does, I don't know, to me, it sounds like they're, they're trying to

00:43:49 set themselves up to go receiver with their second pick, whether that be 34 or wherever

00:43:54 that is.

00:43:55 Yup. Agree with you there. Uh, the other, only other player he really was asked about

00:44:01 was Marte Mopu asked where he's going to play. He said, he'll, you know, he said he's very

00:44:06 versatile, which we know he said he's going to start at safety though. Does that impact

00:44:10 how you view that kind of free safety position more that they're going to start Marte Mopu

00:44:15 at safety this off season? I just hope it doesn't mean Kyle Duggar at free safety again.

00:44:21 I mean, it might, I kind of figured that they were going to leave him at safety. Cause again,

00:44:25 DeMarcus Covington said the defense wasn't going to change much, which he was safety

00:44:29 last year. So, uh, I I'd still like to see them come up with a full planet free safety.

00:44:36 Duggar wasn't it. Peppers can play it, but he's so much better in the box. I'd still

00:44:40 like to see them try to add somebody, but it tells me that they're just going to try

00:44:43 to run it back in that, in that sense.

00:44:46 Yup. And then last thing from Mayo that I had, uh, Troy Brown kind of got some clarifications

00:44:53 onto his role today. He's going to be a skill, a skill development coach. Uh, they just said

00:44:58 they'll work with skilled players and also work with the offense or work on the offensive

00:45:02 scheme. So it sounds like he's just going to kind of be one of these general assistants

00:45:06 on the offense, bouncing around and doing a lot. I'm sure he'll still have a role with

00:45:10 the returners. That seems like an area he's actually exceeded in the last few years. So

00:45:14 uh, that's kind of Troy Brown's role coming into focus, focus there on anything.

00:45:20 Oh yeah. Go. It's probably the best role for him. Just teach him how to have guys miss

00:45:24 tackles like that's especially, yeah, we'll get to the new roles in a second, but yeah,

00:45:28 I don't think he's necessarily a positional coach, but he'll just be around as a resource,

00:45:33 which is not the worst idea. Yeah, absolutely. So that was, I think most of it or all of

00:45:40 it from Gerard, did you have anything, little notes that we miss there? Anything specific?

00:45:46 Um, I think that he said they're going to wear captain's patches this year. I mean,

00:45:52 I think that's the, that's the definition of a little note, right? Um, I, if people

00:45:59 made a big deal about that, I don't really know why. So we'll see on the Jersey. It's

00:46:03 just the captain patch. They're not the only team that didn't wear them. It's not like

00:46:07 that was this solely unique Belichick thing. There's a handful of teams that don't wear

00:46:11 it. More teams wear them than don't. But again, it's just one of those things where it seems

00:46:15 like they're trying to be more like one of 32 rather than kind of being the outlier they

00:46:22 were under Belichick sometimes for positive, sometimes for negative, I would say certainly

00:46:26 more positive and in the past, more in the negative and recent years, but it just seems

00:46:32 like another move in that, in that direction. I don't really know what to make of it. I

00:46:35 don't think there's necessarily any deeper meaning behind it. I think it's just, you

00:46:42 know, males, any kind of talking about this, the former player, he knows what being a captain

00:46:46 means. He wants guys, he wants guys to be able to get that recognition players, coach

00:46:50 kind of thing. Yep. That's what I kind of took from it. Hopefully they trade or change

00:46:56 the jerseys that those captain patches are on too. Right. Can we get somebody, somebody

00:47:01 said, we'll ask him about the silver pants then. But yeah, that we'll do that next time.

00:47:05 But look, the NFL started to realize the bad jerseys are bad and turn them around quickly.

00:47:09 The Cardinals got, well, those have been bad. Is there a rule how long you have to wait?

00:47:14 Is it like four or five years? It's five years, but sometimes with like an alternate uniform,

00:47:19 it can be like the Browns had those terrible jerseys, but then they basically just, so

00:47:24 the rule is you have to wear your primary Jersey five times a season. So that is your

00:47:32 home outside of certain, like the Cowboys designate white as their primary Jersey. But

00:47:40 what the Browns did was they designated their road Jersey as their home Jersey. So they

00:47:44 wore white at home and then they made an alternate that was basically a better uniform and they

00:47:49 wore that and there's ways around it. But the rule is five years, but I saw like the

00:47:53 lions are getting new uniforms. The jets are getting new ones again. I feel like they did.

00:47:59 Those were terrible. I heard, I don't think it's this year, but the Titans might be getting

00:48:04 new uniforms soon. Those are obviously some of the worst in the league. Those are new.

00:48:08 The Texans got leaked too. Yeah, they didn't really change anything. It was just, they

00:48:13 made like the number blue. They made the number blue and there's like a thing on the, they

00:48:17 basically made the Seahawks jerseys, but red, white, and blue, which me, but the Texans,

00:48:22 the Texans jerseys were always met. I was never a big fan of the Texans jerseys. What

00:48:26 they should have done, they had at one point in their history, a white helmet that they

00:48:30 used when they like introduced the franchise, but it was never worn.

00:48:34 That should have been made when they went to the alternate helmets last year, the red

00:48:37 helmets cool. It should have been the white helmet, but the NFL I think is realizing that

00:48:40 some of the Jersey suck. They're going back to minimalism, which is good. Um, really I,

00:48:45 I'd be fine if the Patriots keep, I I'd be fine, like tweak it a little bit, go back

00:48:51 to the old. So here's what I would do for the Patriots jerseys. Cause again, so relevant

00:48:56 talk about a team that has a wind total of four and a half, but this is what we do on

00:48:59 the show. I'm okay with the blue Jersey in theory. What I would do is change the number

00:49:06 font back to the old block numbers, right? Like around the likes on the red Jersey or

00:49:11 like around the dynasty jerseys, change the number black back to the old block numbers.

00:49:16 I go to the silver pants and then basically even amount between red, white, and blue.

00:49:23 So the blue jerseys aren't exactly a blue version of the red throwbacks because the

00:49:28 fonts different, right? Make the font the same, put silver pants with pants with the

00:49:32 home and then evenly distribute red, white, and blue throughout the season. I think that's

00:49:37 fine. I don't know that it's the best thing. I get why they don't want to wear red all

00:49:43 the time. You can make the blue jerseys work. The blue jerseys don't have to be bad. I would

00:49:49 try to fix the blue jerseys and then work to read.

00:49:51 You can wear the alternate up to three times. You can wear each alternate up to three times.

00:49:56 I think you can wear alternates total up to five times, I believe is the rule. So I'd

00:50:00 maximize

00:50:01 Red's perfect like two or three games a year.

00:50:03 I bump it up to a third. I'd maybe even make it do the third game as a road game thing.

00:50:08 Take those babies on the road down to Miami, something like that. Actually it down to Miami

00:50:11 because the blue is hotter, but um, I just, just get rid of the font bugs the crap out

00:50:17 of me. I think that's like 90% of the problem. Well, the font's like, I just need the blue

00:50:22 is also up there. Fix the font and get rid of the blue on blue and the shoulder stripes

00:50:29 fine. I get it's a knockoff of the Colts, whatever the shoulder stripes I have no problem

00:50:33 with fix the font, go blue on silver and then wear the red one more time.

00:50:38 Fix the font on the road jerseys too on the white jerseys. And then you're actually, I

00:50:42 think you're in okay shape. Jersey wise. You're not going to be the best in the league. You're

00:50:46 not going to be the chargers. You're not going to be the Cowboys. You're not gonna be the

00:50:48 Niners, but you're doing fine. Yep. So there's our, there's our Jersey rant. I think this

00:50:55 is their fifth year, right? Cause it was after Brady. Yeah. So this fourth, 20, 21, 22, 23.

00:51:03 Oh no, you're right. Yeah. So after, after this year that they could theoretically change

00:51:10 it if they wanted to. So, uh, we'll have to start getting in their ears about that one.

00:51:14 I know, I know deuces over there and Gillette, but, um, yeah, so captain patches will be

00:51:21 on them, be on them this year. But, uh, that is all from Gerard Mayo today. We do have

00:51:26 a little bit of a, one more thing. Patriots news related is they lost cornerback miles

00:51:31 Bryant. He reunites with Nick Casario in Houston. He signed a contract. I don't think the terms

00:51:37 of the deal were released yet, but miles Bryant is gone. I know he gets a lot of hate around

00:51:43 here for that one game against Isaiah McKenzie. And he did have kind of his flaws in man coverage.

00:51:49 You know, he wasn't a burner. He wasn't a really fast guy, but he wore a lot of hats

00:51:53 in that defense. He was really versatile. He was really tough, uh, physical kind of

00:51:57 player for them. And he played a lot of football. He played a lot of snaps. So they have a lot

00:52:00 of snaps to, to replace. I think, you know, he was, he might've been their most, uh, he

00:52:05 might've played the most snaps among any of their corners last year. I know a lot of guys

00:52:09 were hurt, but, uh, he, he was a good football player for them and they're gonna, they're

00:52:14 gonna have to find a way to replace him now. Yeah. Underrated player that I just think

00:52:17 they never used properly. And that's why so many people hated him because he was putting

00:52:21 bad positions and he was putting a lot of bad positions, but they, you know, they've

00:52:25 needed to move on at slot corner for some time though. Now you put Marcus Jones in a

00:52:28 starting role. Maybe you kick Jonathan Jones to the inside. If you get another boundary

00:52:32 corner, how about like, this is not that unrealistic that their cornerback group to open the year

00:52:38 CB one Christian Gonzalez, but Christian is also on one boundary.

00:52:42 Stefan Gilmore on the other, Jonathan Jones in the slot with Marcus Jones backing him

00:52:46 up. And then your third boundary corners, the winner of a competition between Isaiah

00:52:50 Bolden, Alex Austin, Sean Wade draft pick. That's a solid group. That's a very solid

00:52:58 group. So I know I was higher on miles Bryant than most people, uh, sad to see him go, but

00:53:03 I, this is a loss that they should 100% be able to move by. Marco Wilson would be in

00:53:09 that group competing for the third cornerback spot, by the way, you probably keep two of

00:53:12 those guys.

00:53:13 Yeah. You heard him talk. I think Wolf mentioned that, that they want to get faster on defense.

00:53:18 So maybe you could see this, you know, you replace Marcus Jones and miles Bryant's role.

00:53:23 That's the way to get faster. Also, Sean Wade was really impressive in the slot in the summer

00:53:27 last year. And then injuries kind of forced them back outside. Maybe they revisit that,

00:53:31 but yeah, uh, yeah, he, he was an underrated player for them, but this, it should be something

00:53:36 you should be able to, to recover from pretty easily, especially with the depth they already

00:53:40 have in that cornerback group in that secondary. So, uh, again, miles Bryant off to the Houston

00:53:46 Texans, but a little NFL league wide news too.

00:53:50 We got some new rules today. Uh, the hip drop tackle was back. It is officially banned.

00:53:56 Uh, you know, that, that tackle where you grab the guy, then kind of unload your, your

00:54:01 lower body and kind of wrap them up, uh, down low. We saw Ramond Ray Stevenson get hurt

00:54:06 against the chargers on it last year. So that is banned. That is a 15 yard penalty. Uh,

00:54:12 it it's going to be chaos. It's going to be a mess to watch them try to officiate that.

00:54:17 Let's be clear. They banned tackling. That's what they did. They banned, they banned textbook,

00:54:21 you know, technique tackling. You can't go high. You can't hit the guy in the head. You

00:54:25 can't go low. You can't get the guy around that. Well, you can go low on some players,

00:54:29 not quarterbacks. You can't get the guy around the waist unless you spear him like a wrestling

00:54:34 move. So it's either go for the knees or knock the guy, the F out with a shoulder tackle.

00:54:39 And I wrought part of me, 90% of me hates this because just leave the freaking game

00:54:46 alone.

00:54:47 If the players all said they didn't have a problem with it, it's football guys get hurt.

00:54:50 They understood that if anything, change the turf to grass, which the owners will never

00:54:55 do because it'll cost them a little bit of money. A small part of me loves this because

00:55:00 I think in some ways it's actually going to bring back smash mouth football because if

00:55:06 I'm an NFL team and I'm looking at this, I would not draft or sign any player that way

00:55:14 to carry the ball that weighs less than 200 pounds.

00:55:19 And I wouldn't bring in a defender that weighs less than like 180 pounds. You have to be

00:55:25 like, like big boy football is back. No more of the, these, you know, 170 pound corners.

00:55:32 Cause what happens when you get him isolated on a screen or on a stretch or something like

00:55:36 that, they can't tackle these guys. They're going to have no way to do that. And I kind

00:55:41 of did as a joke today on Twitter, I did a hip drop is illegal mock draft for guys like

00:55:47 Xavier Liggett Malakai Corley or these backs like Dylan Johnson or Audra guest to May or

00:55:53 Braylon Allen.

00:55:55 These guys should be doing car wheels today because again, if I'm building it now, especially

00:56:01 right now, well, teams are essentially going to have to reteach every player to tackle

00:56:08 in a league that does not allow you to practice tackling. And by the way, there are going

00:56:11 to be a record number of injuries in training camp this year because every team is going

00:56:15 to be doing live tackling drills way more than they've been doing in a long time. That's

00:56:19 going to happen. Well, every team is learning how to retackle. I'm going out there and just

00:56:24 getting a bunch of freaking tanks. And as a Landon Roberts would say, run the ball through

00:56:30 an MF first face.

00:56:33 That's gotta be the move here. So I think it does impact your off season approach a

00:56:37 little bit. We talk about a guy like, like a Dylan Lowe be or a, uh, Tyrone Tracy, these

00:56:45 running backs we talk about in the draft or even Roman Wilson or Xavier Liggett, not Xavier

00:56:52 Liggett, Xavier worthy, these smaller shiftier guys, not saying they have no place. I'm not

00:56:57 saying I wouldn't consider them, but I look at Xavier worthy who weighs 165 pounds, whose

00:57:04 whole game is running by people.

00:57:06 And I look at Xavier Liggett who now I can isolate on 180 pound corners at six one, two

00:57:12 21, and they can't use their own body weight to tackle them. You're telling me that doesn't

00:57:18 look enticing. So I think this does definitely alter the way you look at it. It makes Derek

00:57:25 Henry the best signing of the off season. Um, and yeah, somebody had the chat, like

00:57:29 a guy like Ramond Ray Stevenson, I think is going to benefit tremendously for this. He's

00:57:32 a big physical, powerful guy. Those are the kinds of ball carriers, whether it be a running

00:57:39 back receiver, tight end that are going to massively take advantage of this.

00:57:45 Assuming it's actually called now a couple of years ago, they had that whole rule about

00:57:49 the ball carrier, lowering his head and everybody freaked out and then they just never called

00:57:53 it. So maybe this will be like that. So that's what I was going to say, because did you see

00:57:59 the quote from Rich McKay when he was talking, who's the head of the comp, uh, competition

00:58:05 committee is what it's called. He said, this was the one thing that gave me hope that it

00:58:09 might not be chaos. He said, this will be a hard one to call on the field. You have

00:58:13 to see every L element of it. We want to make it a rule so we can deal on the discipline

00:58:17 during the week. So it might be something that they just don't call during the week,

00:58:22 but now that it's a rule, they can just start finding guys for these hip drop tackles. But

00:58:27 uh, it's still, you know, it's going to happen. It's not going to get called all game. It's

00:58:34 not going to get called all year. And then the chiefs are going to have a third and 20

00:58:37 and the AFC championship to win the game.

00:58:39 And they're going to pick up 17 yards and it's going to get called and they're going

00:58:42 to get a first down. They're going to score a touchdown. They're going to want to win

00:58:44 the super bowl, but right. Like that again, that's assuming it all gets called, but if

00:58:48 it does, and even if, you know, you don't know, I add a couple of these guys out a couple

00:58:53 of bruisers, because now, again, the only way you're going to tackle is to shoulder

00:58:58 tackle or like really spear tackle, wrap up a guy. That's really it. And do you want to

00:59:06 put your shoulder right into remodeling Stevenson's gut when he's going full speed, that's going

00:59:10 to hurt.

00:59:11 That's going to hurt a lot. And if you're a smaller linebacker or a corner, a smaller

00:59:16 safety, you can't do that for 60 minutes, seven times, 17 times a year. You can't like

00:59:21 you just physically, you're not going to be able to do it. So as they go on, I kind of

00:59:26 talk myself into this. Cause it's like, Hey, smash mouth football might be back running.

00:59:31 The damn ball might be back because if you can't think about it, if you can't tackle

00:59:36 them anyway, why am I going to risk throwing the ball 35 yards down the field where the

00:59:41 corner can make a play on it?

00:59:42 When I can just hand the ball off and you can't tackle them. And I'm sure there'll be

00:59:45 some offset rule in a couple of years, but in the meantime, you take advantage. So I

00:59:49 I'm with you. Like, I don't necessarily think they're going to call this, but if they do

00:59:53 big boy football, baby strap on that helmet music to Alex van pelts ears and you're talking

00:59:59 like running backs a lot, I see I'm with like these big tight ends.

01:00:03 Like you get some of these tight ends in the draft who are like big boys and have good

01:00:07 athletic profiles. Like, you know, we took tip tip Ryman in our last mock draft, like

01:00:12 Theo Johnson, Benson, just Theo Johnson and Jatavion Sanders in my hip drop. You just

01:00:17 get those guys in the flat and you're going to have like a nickel of miles. Brian trying

01:00:22 to tackle those guys. Like those guys are going to feast and just those little dump

01:00:26 on the flat. I, what would you say? What percentage of the times Rob Gronkowski got tackled where

01:00:32 hip drop? It's got to be over 80%. Like he would have been unfair. He would have been

01:00:39 he would have scored 30 touchdowns. He would have scored 30 touchdowns. You wouldn't have

01:00:43 been able to tackle him. Yeah, that would have been, that would have been a nightmare.

01:00:47 It'll be interesting. It'll be interesting to see. Yep. Uh, but the, there was one other

01:00:54 rule that got passed. I think it was, uh, teams have a third challenge now if their

01:00:59 first one is successful. So I always thought that was the thing. I know. I don't, I don't

01:01:05 know why I'd have to read more into those reading. There must be something like little

01:01:10 specific detail about that. Yeah. But was it that cause, Oh no, you know what it was?

01:01:17 Cause in the past was if you got your first two, right, you've got a third. Now I think

01:01:21 it's, you'll get one of your first two rights to get a great more challenges. Awesome. I've

01:01:27 seen enough stoppage of plays watching college basketball all weekend. We don't need more

01:01:32 challenges, but, um, the, the one rule I think we're all kind of waiting on, which sounds

01:01:36 like they, they didn't vote on it here for some reason. It sounds like they're going

01:01:40 to wait for the next meeting, which I think is in may is the new, the new kickoff rule

01:01:45 trying to bring kickoffs back into the game. They're kind of copying that XFL style where

01:01:50 the kicker is backed by himself. And then the return team and the kick coverage team

01:01:55 is lined up five, 10 yards away from each other. And you're trying to land it in between

01:02:00 the kickers, trying to land it in between the 20 and the end zone. And depending, you

01:02:05 know, if you just kick it out of the end zone, it's a touchback to like the 35 yard line.

01:02:09 So the touchback is worse. They're trying to bring returns back. I think it's a great

01:02:12 way to just make that play relevant again. And hopefully that does pass whenever they

01:02:17 decide to vote on it here. I don't know what the holdup is, but it does sound when they

01:02:21 do vote on it, it sounds like it has support with the owners that it is going to pass.

01:02:25 I think they said they have a couple of teams on the fence and that's kind of what they're

01:02:28 trying to get those last couple of teams and the, the, uh, sweetener might be, they're

01:02:34 just going to pass it for the preseason with an option to pick it up for the regular season.

01:02:38 I love it. If you haven't go watch the XFL kickoffs, it's a fun play. It's a real football

01:02:43 play. Like it's a real actual, you can scheme it up. You can design things. You can create

01:02:48 misdirection. You can create conflict. It's, it's not just blunt force. 11 guys running

01:02:53 in 11 guys. I'd love to see it. It's definitely a much better alternative than losing the

01:02:59 kickoff altogether. I don't mind getting rid of the surprise onside kick. Like, yeah, those

01:03:02 are fun plays, but for how often you see them making kickoffs fun and exciting again, it's

01:03:07 totally worth the trade off. I hope this passes. I really do. Yeah. Wasn't, I think someone

01:03:14 tallied the numbers. It was like less than five surprise onside kicks last year. And

01:03:19 it may have been like three or less. So I know it sounds bad losing that surprise onside

01:03:23 kick, but that, that never happens in the league today. And if you want to onside kick,

01:03:28 I think you have to be trailing in the fourth quarter and you have to declare it. And then

01:03:31 that's just like normal as it is now onside kick rules. So I hope that does, does pass

01:03:37 because I mean the kickoff was just a pointless play last year, unless you were Nelson or

01:03:43 Jalen Rager and Buffalo, but they need to try to bring that back. And that seems like

01:03:50 the best way to make the play prominent again and make it safe at the same time. So hopefully

01:03:56 that that does pass whenever again, they do decide to vote on it. Yeah. And it sounds,

01:04:02 I think it's going to happen. It may take a little bit longer. I think it's going to

01:04:04 happen. It does sound that way, but I believe that is all the news from Gerard Mayo, the

01:04:12 Patriots news, the news from the NFL annual meetings, anything that we missed or any other

01:04:18 takes you want to get off your chest before we log this off? I think that's pretty much

01:04:22 it. All right. So we will be back Thursday, mock draft again. That'll probably be earlier

01:04:31 in the day. We'll figure it out. Might be a little earlier again. Okay. So make sure

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