LIVE Patriots Beat: Mac Jones TRADED to Jaguars

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Don't miss the latest episode of Patriots Beat, where Alex Barth from 98.5 The Sports Hub and Brian Hines of Pats Pulpit react to the New England Patriots trading quarterback Mac Jones to the Jacksonville Jaguars in exchange for a 2024 sixth-round draft pick. This significant move marks the end of the Mac Jones era in New England and has implications for the team's future quarterback strategy. Tune in for their in-depth analysis and insights on this trade.  Get in on the excitement with PrizePicks, America’s No. 1 Fantasy Sports App, where you can turn your hoops knowledge into serious cash. Download the app today and use code CLNS for a first deposit match up to $100! Pick more. Pick less. It’s that Easy! Football season may be over, but the action on the floor is heating up. Whether it’s Tournament Season or the fight for playoff homecourt, there’s no shortage of high stakes basketball moments this time of year. Quick withdrawals, easy gameplay and an enormous selection of players and stat types are what make PrizePicks the #1 daily fantasy sports app!  Visit https://Linkedin.com/BEAT to post your first job for free! LinkedIn Jobs helps you find the candidates you want to talk to, faster. Did you know every week, nearly 40 million job seekers visit LinkedIn.  #Patriots #NFL #NewEnglandPatriots

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00:00 All right, surprise everyone and welcome into a Sunday night emergency, somewhat of an emergency

00:09 live Patriots Beat podcast here on the CLNS Media Network presented by our friends over

00:15 at PrizePix.

00:16 It is Brian Hines as always joined by Alex Barth because we have some Patriots news from

00:22 the past few days that we figured we would get on here tonight and break that down so

00:27 the focus the rest of the week could be on free agency and who they are signing and if

00:32 any other trades do occur.

00:35 So we're here right now, we'll break down some of the moves from the last few days and

00:40 the big one obviously was Mac Jones, Patriots quarterback was traded to the Jacksonville

00:45 Jaguars for a six round pick in this year's draft number 192 I believe it was.

00:51 So who else is taking 192 overall Brian?

00:55 Bryce Berenger, baby.

00:56 They're on a hot streak with that number 192 pick.

01:00 So maybe Brent Williams is a good player too.

01:02 They took Brent Williams 192nd overall.

01:04 He had like a 10 year career here.

01:05 There you go.

01:06 So some good history with the pick, but yeah, that was the news of the day.

01:12 Mac Jones, we kind of all expected the end was coming here.

01:17 Maybe not to Jacksonville.

01:18 That one kind of took me by surprise, but he does get to go home.

01:22 You grew up in the area.

01:23 He'll sit behind Trevor Lawrence for the year and then he'll hit the market next year as

01:28 a free agent.

01:29 But the Mac Jones era is officially over in new England.

01:32 Yeah.

01:33 It comes to a close.

01:35 Look, I think, you know, there was some reporting at the combine that maybe could've gotten

01:38 a fifth.

01:39 That sounds like that was maybe what we're asking.

01:40 I still might've pick swapped it and seen if I could've gotten, you know, Mac Jones

01:46 in a six for a fifth, something like that.

01:47 But it, it, it just, it had to end.

01:50 It had to end.

01:51 I was so mismanaged down the stretch with him.

01:54 And I think I'm alone in this tape because I've seen people today blame Mac Jones, blame

02:00 bill Belichick, blame Robert Kraft, blame the fans, everybody, everybody screwed up

02:07 here.

02:08 It is top down of failure, a disaster.

02:12 It was, you know, the rumors of Robert Kraft, maybe forcing the pick on bill and then allowing

02:17 things to go the way they did in terms of some of the bill Belichick's following decisions.

02:22 Those decisions of course, by bill Belichick hiring Matt Patricia and Joe judge to replace

02:27 Josh McDaniels in 2002, failing to add high level talent on the offensive side of the

02:33 ball.

02:34 After Jones established himself in his rookie year, that was a failure on his part to just

02:38 overall treatment of Jones and making him feel alienated, making him feel uncomfortable,

02:43 putting him through these mental gymnastics for whatever reason he did it.

02:47 We'll probably never know.

02:49 And then Jones himself, like he was not placed in a, in a great situation.

02:53 And I've talked a ton about that.

02:54 That's been my fallback line.

02:55 I still believe it.

02:56 I still believe there's a universe in which Mac Jones would have become a successful quarterback

03:00 for the new England Patriots had things gone a little differently in terms of roster control,

03:04 but roster decisions.

03:07 But at the same time, when a guy makes the same mistakes over and over and over, like

03:11 mentally, he just couldn't dig himself out of the hole.

03:14 And that's to an extent on him and then other players on the roster too, and things like

03:18 that.

03:19 So everybody blew it.

03:20 You, you, if you want to point to any one person and say they are at fault, you are

03:24 partially correct.

03:26 If you want to point to any one person and say they are solely at fault, you are wrong.

03:29 That's just how I feel about it.

03:31 And it's a, it should be a cautionary tale.

03:33 It should be cautionary tale for the Patriots.

03:35 It should be a cautionary tale for us, the NFL that quarterback development matters.

03:40 And I know people don't want to see athletes babied and they hate the idea of that because

03:44 these guys are making so much money.

03:46 You kind of got to placate the quarterback a little bit.

03:49 That's just the way it works in this league.

03:50 It's what all the good teams do.

03:52 It's what the chiefs do, the bills do it, the Ravens do right.

03:55 So it had to end, it blew up in their face.

03:58 It was beyond saving.

03:59 It might've been beyond saving after the 2022 season.

04:02 I don't mind them giving it another year, given what the quarterback outlook looked

04:06 like last off season.

04:08 But you know, we even said going into the season, you're going to try to reinvigorate

04:12 Mack Jones.

04:13 We'll see if it works.

04:14 And it clearly didn't.

04:16 And it was, it was beyond salvation at least here or, um, yeah, it was beyond fixing at

04:22 least here.

04:23 Maybe I don't know the Jacksonville, like being out of the spotlight, I think will help

04:27 him and then we'll see what happens when he hits free agency and could he have a Baker

04:30 like a path we'll see.

04:32 But from the top down, this was a textbook on how you bungle mismanage, ruin a rookie

04:41 quarterback, everybody involved.

04:44 Yup.

04:45 Yeah.

04:46 And that's the big lesson.

04:47 You kind of hope this new regime who, you know, a lot of these guys, Mayo Elliott Wolf

04:51 was around to watch how this happened with Mack Jones.

04:53 So you hope that's what they, they kind of take away with it away from it, no matter

04:58 what you think, you know, max ceiling is as a player, right?

05:01 Like it wasn't a good, they didn't handle anything well at all.

05:06 So you hope presumably with the number three overall pick now they're probably in this

05:09 quarterback market, Drake may Jaden Daniels, all these guys, uh, we've been talking about

05:14 a lot.

05:15 So you hope whatever one of those guys that gets kind of dropped in here, they've learned

05:19 from their mistakes and now they can, you know, treat this guy better.

05:23 And it kind of sounds like that, right?

05:24 Like Elliott Wolf talked about that at the combine.

05:25 And he said, if we do take one of these guys, we want to put everything and do everything

05:30 in our power to surround them with support, whether that's on the coaching staff, whether

05:35 that's, you know, some of these free agents they might be signing or in the draft.

05:38 So that's kind of the big lesson is whether, again, you think Mack Jones could have been,

05:44 you know, a top 15 quarterback, or if you think he stunk, like they didn't do him any

05:48 favors, he didn't do himself any favor, any favor.

05:52 So you hope they've just learned from their mistakes and, you know, it goes differently

05:56 next time around with, with a new quarterback under center here.

06:00 And these guys are better prospects than Jones was too.

06:02 That's part of it.

06:04 That's very true too.

06:05 Like Drake may I'm talking Drake main Jane Daniels and maybe Michael Penix are better

06:10 prospects than Mack Jones.

06:11 Penix is a better quarterback prospect than Jones was when you bring in the history of

06:15 knee injuries that kite Michael Penix is, we've talked about this, Michael Penix his

06:20 own thing, but Drake may and Jane Daniels definitively, and obviously Caleb Williams

06:23 past aren't going to get him, but those guys are better prospects than Mack Jones was.

06:28 So you're starting off working with more.

06:30 Now it's just a matter of, can you not repeat your previous mistakes and ahead of free agency

06:34 tomorrow?

06:35 I'm just going to get out ahead of this take everybody.

06:38 They're going to spend a bunch of money and everybody's going to say, Oh, great.

06:41 It's 2021 all over again.

06:42 And you know what?

06:44 If they do that, if they go out and they sign Calvin Ridley and they give him a bag and

06:48 you know, they add Christian Wilkins too.

06:51 And maybe they, they throw some money at a tackle Jonah Williams, Michael and when, who

06:56 they they'll probably make playoffs.

06:58 They'll probably sneak in assuming the quarterback isn't a total disaster.

07:03 They'll probably sneak in a playoffs as wildcard team.

07:05 And you know what we're going to hear?

07:06 We're going to hear, Oh great.

07:07 So it's just like 2021 all over again.

07:08 Doesn't mean anything like you're saying if they're bad, it becomes, they're just still

07:12 bad in there inherently bad.

07:14 If they're good, it becomes, Oh, just like they were good in 21 before they got bad again.

07:18 The lesson here is it needs to be sustainable.

07:20 They spent in 21 and they stopped.

07:23 They stopped.

07:24 We've talked about this after drafting Mac Jones.

07:27 What is between drafting Mac Jones and trading him?

07:29 What is the best offensive move that they made roster move?

07:32 You could argue it's drafting Ramond Ray Stevenson, which happened 48 hours later.

07:37 They invested in a guard and need.

07:38 They opened up by trading somebody.

07:40 They overdrafted Tyquan Thornton.

07:42 They overpaid to get Devante Parker in the building.

07:44 And then they subbed out Jacoby Myers for Juju Smith Schuster on one day like that.

07:49 Those were all half measures.

07:50 The lesson here is it needs to be sustainable.

07:54 Spend all the money this week.

07:55 Definitely spend all the money this week.

07:56 And you don't have to be the number one spender every off season, but spend all the money

08:00 this week.

08:01 And then this time next year, spend some money and keep adding and go out and get aggressive.

08:05 And maybe you trade a top 50 draft pick for a premium wide receiver or a tackle or something

08:11 like it needs to be sustainable.

08:13 That is the lesson here.

08:15 You cannot sit on your laurels.

08:16 You cannot sit on your hands after one somewhat promising season.

08:20 That's it.

08:21 Yep.

08:22 Yeah, that should be one of their main goals or maybe the main goal of the next few days

08:26 is create a stable and healthy environment for whatever rookie quarterback.

08:31 I'll say this like again, they started doing that in 2021.

08:36 I think they built a good base, right?

08:38 Hunter Henry, good offensive line, right?

08:40 That good offensive line going.

08:42 They, you know, Jude on was a key piece on defense, but then they stopped adding to it

08:47 in every other team.

08:49 Like the other 31 teams, well, not all 31 are getting better, but there's other teams

08:53 out there trying to get better.

08:55 And just treading water is never going to cut it.

08:58 Even if you win the super bowl, it's still probably not going to cut it.

09:01 You need to, when you have a young quarterback on a rookie contract, continue to get exponentially

09:05 better year after year after year until you get to your four and five, and then you have

09:10 to pay him and then the math becomes a little bit different.

09:14 But that's to me, the big takeaway from all of this, it starts tomorrow.

09:18 It does not end tomorrow.

09:20 Yep.

09:21 A hundred percent.

09:23 But we can get into some of those, you know, names.

09:25 You just floated out there in a bit that may be come in here and free agency to build around

09:30 that offense and build around that next quarterback.

09:33 But staying in that quarterback room, they're going to remodel it.

09:37 We've known that for a while.

09:38 This seems just like the first piece though.

09:40 It seems like they're going to be expected to add a veteran over these next few days.

09:45 Jacoby percent is the obvious one we're all looking at.

09:48 And then you have like Joe Flacco, Gardner Minshew, Josh Dobbs are out there in that

09:51 department.

09:52 A Baker re-signed with Tampa today on a big three year, a hundred million dollars deal.

09:57 So that seemed obviously where that was headed all along, but that, that has officially been

10:04 agreed to with those two guys.

10:05 So you're looking at these veterans.

10:07 It seems like Jacoby is the favorite again, but what do you think, where do you think

10:11 Bailey's happy kind of resides?

10:14 He's got to be next.

10:15 He's got to be next.

10:16 You just got to clean the whole thing out.

10:17 And he, when I said like point fingers at whoever you want, like he's not innocent in

10:20 all this either.

10:21 He had from the Herald report where it wasn't.

10:25 And I'm not saying that he needed to only be lifting up Mac Jones and not thinking about

10:29 himself, but you got to make it as easy as possible for the kid you're going to draft.

10:35 And if Bailey's app, he's going to be in there being a thorn in his side.

10:39 You can't have that.

10:40 You can't have that.

10:41 So I don't think they're necessarily in a rush to trade Bailey's happy.

10:44 I would not have him on the roster come camp.

10:47 If I were.

10:48 I agree with you.

10:49 I think the best room is a rookie and a veteran and then you're Nathan Rourke or your training

10:53 camp arm from that point out.

10:56 But let's end with a one Mac Jones question here in the chat.

11:00 WHS best Mac Jones moment and worse Mac Jones moment from his three years here.

11:07 I mean the best ones beating the bills.

11:08 Ironically, his best was probably this year.

11:10 It's that win over the bills.

11:12 His final like the two minute game winning drive.

11:15 The one that he finally got.

11:17 Yep.

11:18 I mean the worst has to be either the Vegas play or the interception against the Colts

11:23 this year, right?

11:24 Like yeah, the Vegas play wasn't really his fault.

11:26 He was kind of in the wrong place.

11:27 Just getting time.

11:29 Just getting stiff armed like that.

11:30 That was probably the worst moment for the Patriots of the Mac Jones era.

11:34 I would say Mac Jones worst moment.

11:37 Yeah, probably the Colts game, but it was.

11:39 It was already so gone at that point.

11:41 Yeah, it I don't know.

11:43 It might be the.

11:47 The pick to Jalen Ramsey in Miami.

11:50 Just 'cause that's when it felt like that to me was the point of no return.

11:54 I saw that and I was like, OK, yeah, no, he this is this is not.

11:58 This is not something they can fix.

12:00 This is not something they can undo with just Bill O'Brien like he is not.

12:03 I think.

12:04 Yeah, that day is when I wrote or that Monday is when I wrote my first column that was like,

12:09 hey, let's check out the quarterbacks in the upcoming draft class like that's probably

12:14 like it was already.

12:16 One way or the other was probably over by the Colts game.

12:19 The Colts game was probably final nail in the coffin, I guess, but.

12:23 You could even go earlier and start saying those cross field passes against the Cowboys.

12:29 That was pretty rough too.

12:30 I just I remember that Miami one 'cause the Miami game was after right?

12:34 Yeah, yeah, at least yeah, the Cowboys.

12:37 You could be like OK, it was just one really bad game.

12:40 Maybe they can kind of correct this.

12:41 That's the thing.

12:42 It was like alright, he he had his bad game.

12:45 Can he learn from it?

12:46 Can he snap out of it and he just never?

12:48 Maybe it is cowboys game 'cause he never.

12:50 He was good.

12:51 Remember he was like good to start the season through for 300 yards on the Eagles and then

12:55 yeah, he was never the same after that.

12:57 Then he throws.

12:58 He throws a pick six early against the Saints the week after against the Cowboys, so.

13:04 Unfortunately there's a lot to maybe pick from and go through over these last year or

13:08 two, but yeah, that is Mac Jones.

13:12 The era is officially over in New England as he is again traded to the Jaguars for a

13:16 six round pick number 192 in this draft.

13:20 So the Patriots now have eight total picks, one in each round except two in that six round.

13:26 So maybe they add some more here over the next few days.

13:29 Maybe something happens with Zappy.

13:31 I don't know what his market would be.

13:34 Maybe a pick swap for DeAndre or Devante Parker.

13:37 Excuse me, but eight picks for now.

13:39 One in each round and two in the sixth round.

13:41 But yeah, any last thoughts there on Mac or we can?

13:45 I think that's pretty much it.

13:48 You know, I'll be interested to see what happens with him and if you really can turn around.

13:52 But yeah, just cautionary tale for everybody involved.

13:56 That's what it feels like.

13:57 Cautionary tale.

13:58 Yep, 100%.

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15:07 All right, so the Patriots also took care of one of their own guys before the free agency

15:16 or the legal tampering period begins tomorrow, and that was resigning tight end Hunter Henry

15:21 to a three year $27 million contract with three other three million more in incentives

15:27 there.

15:28 So about what you kind of projected.

15:30 A lot of people projected for a contract there, and I think when you talk about what we were

15:35 saying earlier, when you want to create a stable and healthy environment for your next

15:40 quarterback, Hunter Henry is a good piece to do that.

15:43 Still a reliable target over the middle of the field against man coverage.

15:47 Obviously very good still in the red area.

15:50 And I mean, it was kind of a weak tight end class.

15:53 He was going to be the top guy on free agency after Dalton Schultz resigned with Houston,

15:59 so it was good to kind of get that taken care of before he hit the open market.

16:03 And I think it's pretty reasonable and fair contract for him as well there for him.

16:07 Yeah, it's a great contract.

16:08 I think three years, 30 million.

16:10 It's really only guaranteed to the first two like contract to player.

16:14 I think he's like 13th highest paid tight end in football right now, and that can even

16:18 go down depending on what happens in free agency or guys signing extensions.

16:22 That's about right.

16:23 I just wonder.

16:25 I wonder we talked about this.

16:26 I'm getting that more athletic, well-rounded tight end to fit van Pelt's offense, and I

16:31 still think re-signing Pharaoh Brown or signing a guy, and I'm not saying they have to do

16:38 Hunter Henry Johnnie Smith again, or they go out tomorrow and sign Noah Fante and make

16:41 him like the highest paid tight end free agency.

16:43 I don't know what they need to do that, but getting a more run game tight end I still

16:48 think is important.

16:49 But that being said, again, you may, you know, all the points you made are good ones, like

16:52 veteran player, leader in the locker room, keep some continuity on that side of the ball,

16:57 definitely a quarterback friendly target for a young quarterback coming in.

17:01 So and they got him back on a good deal.

17:02 So I ultimately can't complain about it.

17:04 I'm just wondering when they start trying to run the ball, how much of a factor is he

17:12 going to be in the ground game or are they going to need to get a second tight end for

17:15 that?

17:16 Yeah.

17:17 Yeah.

17:18 Cause that's a big thing.

17:19 We know van Pelt's going to want to run the ball.

17:20 And if there's one big weakness with Henry over the last few years and kind of his whole

17:24 career, honestly, it's been as a run blocker.

17:26 That's not his strength.

17:27 So Pharaoh Brown was good in that role.

17:30 You assume they could probably work something back out with him for cheap, but then maybe

17:33 they do add another one and you got to add, it doesn't have to be for a brag.

17:37 It'd be Harrison Bryant could be Austin Hoover, but just like a guy like that, who's a little

17:41 more of a system fit.

17:42 And then at some point you got to add a rookie, right?

17:46 Like, yeah.

17:47 And then you get a project.

17:48 Yeah.

17:49 You don't get a project.

17:50 Really?

17:51 That's the room you replace Mike Kosicki with a guy who's not a hunter Henry clone, right?

17:56 Who's not the same kind of player.

17:58 You get more of a blocking tight end with hunter Henry.

18:02 And then you go and you get Theo Johnson or tip Ryan Raymond or whoever on day three.

18:08 And that's your, your project.

18:09 Yep.

18:10 So I thought that was a good move to bring Henry back.

18:13 I was a little hesitant on like maybe giving him the third year, but as you said, you can,

18:17 they can get out of that.

18:19 The fact it's not guaranteed changes a lot.

18:21 Yeah.

18:22 I think that it only have to eat like two and a half million to get out of this final

18:25 year.

18:26 So maybe like 32, that's, that's nothing with the way the cap is, is going these days.

18:32 So good deal there.

18:33 And they also signed a external free agent Chuck Wama, a core of four.

18:39 I hope I pronounced his first name correctly there, but offensive tackle from the Pittsburgh

18:43 Steelers has a lot of experience and a lot of starting experience as a right tackle.

18:48 They gave him a one year $4 million deal with some incentives there.

18:52 So not starting tackle money, but not saying like this is replacing Mike and when new money

18:59 or anything like that, but it was good to kind of elevate the floor of that room I'd

19:04 say.

19:05 So you're not having to rely on a vicarian low or a Calvin Anderson next year, because

19:10 this is a guy who, you know, he has started a lot of games in this league.

19:14 He was Pittsburgh starter last year until he kind of mouthed off at the, uh, at Canada

19:19 offense, which was probably deserved.

19:21 And then they handed it over to their first round pick and Broderick Jones there, but

19:26 just good to have like a reliable, maybe swing tackle and raise the floor again of that room.

19:32 Yeah.

19:33 You hit on it perfectly.

19:34 I think if this ends up being Michael and when it was replacement mistake, just way

19:39 too low, way too low of an investment.

19:41 If this is very low as replacement as your third tackle.

19:45 Yeah, that's a solid move.

19:47 Like that's a, we we've talked about this getting lost in the whole conversation.

19:51 And I'm not saying it's, it's not a fair conversation.

19:53 It's a very fair conversation, but getting lost in the whole conversation of, Hey, they

19:57 need two new starting tackles was.

19:59 They also probably need backup tackles and you don't have to add the starters first technically

20:06 in the way they did this.

20:07 Like you weren't adding a starting caliber tackle before the tampering window opens.

20:11 So if he's here to compete with Vitarian low to be the third tackle.

20:18 Great.

20:19 That's a, you know, $4 million for guy with some starting experience does get penalized

20:24 a ton.

20:25 If he thought Trent Brown took many penalties, you know, come get ready.

20:29 Yeah.

20:30 I seized the field, but I mean, he'll, as I say, that kind of tongue in cheek, if you

20:35 need him to start a game or two, you could do a lot worse.

20:39 Like he'll get you through a game or two, if you really need them to, or a series or

20:44 two here or there, if guys need a breather, you just don't want them playing every snap

20:47 for a whole season.

20:49 So if he's here to replace a Darien low, great.

20:51 If he's here to replace Michael, that's a massive miss, but based on the reporting,

20:56 that's not the plan, at least for now, we'll see what ultimately happens.

20:59 But I think it was Mark Daniels who said it did not impact their negotiations with Michael.

21:05 So it doesn't seem like at least for the time being, he's even penciled in as any kind of

21:09 starter.

21:10 Yup.

21:11 And maybe it ends up, he takes a similar path as he did in Pittsburgh, where if they view

21:14 and when he was a guard and they draft a tackle, right.

21:18 You know, a core four is starting first month or two, and then he kind of paves way for

21:23 a rookie to come in there.

21:25 But yeah, it's good to get just another guy in that room with some starting experience.

21:29 They needed bodies with experience.

21:31 You just exactly.

21:32 They needed bodies with experience.

21:34 It's not as much money as it sounds like if he ends up making that $8 million, either

21:39 one, he had a really good year and he earned it or things went so poorly.

21:44 There's much bigger issues than them paying a core for $8 million.

21:48 That's just the reality of it.

21:50 Yup.

21:51 So those were the two signings made over the last few days.

21:57 But we do have some rumors about some other guys.

22:01 Calvin Ridley has been the big one thrown out there.

22:03 I think it was Jeremy Fowler from ESPN said he expects or the Patriots are expected to

22:09 kind of aggressively pursue him.

22:11 Jocena Anderson even had like a, you know, eyeball emoji tweet where she said like the

22:16 Patriots are going after a veteran receiver, whether it's free agency or trade.

22:20 So they are in this wide receiver market.

22:23 Unfortunately, the top guys didn't shake loose the free agency here.

22:27 But where are you kind of at with Calvin Ridley?

22:30 And I mean, he's going to command a big deal.

22:32 That's probably going to be in that 20 million average or right around that range.

22:36 So where are you kind of at with potentially bringing Calvin Ridley into the mix here?

22:40 Yeah, I'm kind of in on it by default at this point.

22:44 I just, they, even if you draft the guy, how you need a veteran in that room and their

22:48 reports are going to trade Parker, which they should are going to try to trade Parker, which

22:51 they should.

22:52 They should look to trade Juju Smith Schuster as well.

22:56 You got to fill out the room.

22:57 You need veterans.

22:59 I try to give him similar structure to Hunter Henry's deal where you're locked in for two

23:03 years, the third year as a bonus, he'll be 31 at that point.

23:07 And you take a guy later on day two, you hope he turns into something where Calvin Ridley

23:13 is your bridge guy.

23:14 You have this guy you drafted as your number two.

23:17 And then next year, if you draft the quarterback, if you draft the tackle this year, all in

23:21 on wide receiver next year in the draft.

23:23 And we're, we are, we become Luther burden beat basically this time next year.

23:29 Yeah, that's, that's pretty much where I'm at with that is I, he's not my favorite signing,

23:36 but I think signing he's, I don't love any of the alternatives any better.

23:41 So he's the best you can do.

23:43 It's tough because the contract too is probably going to look bad.

23:46 Or like when that first number comes out, it's going to look like a lot of money and

23:50 it is going to be a lot of money because he's the top receiver.

23:53 But again, going back to just like priority number one, if you're drafting a quarterback

23:57 three overall, it's put him in a good situation to succeed.

24:01 And that's probably paying Calvin Ridley.

24:04 Cause you know, the draft class is very good and you can still get a good guy on day two,

24:09 but you want a veteran or a liable veteran who has had success in this league.

24:14 And Calvin Ridley is the top option at this point.

24:19 So PFF projects, Calvin Ridley, three years, 55 million total 32.7 guaranteed.

24:25 So it's basically three years, 18 guarantee or three years, 18 per 11 per guaranteed.

24:32 If you can shift all that guaranteed money to the first two years.

24:36 So you're basically paying him like $15 million this year, $15 million next year.

24:41 And then the third year is a ghost year.

24:44 I'd probably do that.

24:45 I, I'm not doing jumping jacks over it, but I think you're making the best of a bad situation

24:52 at that point.

24:53 Like you said, you need somebody.

24:54 I don't know that I'd go over that.

24:56 I think I'm capping it at 15 million a year, but you need somebody.

25:01 And this is just, it's you're, you have a big hole to dig out of and not everything's

25:06 going to be super easy on the way there.

25:09 Yup.

25:10 And I'd probably cap it at three years too.

25:13 I don't know if he, if he'd get a, I wouldn't give him.

25:15 More than two guaranteed.

25:16 I would not give more than two guaranteed if he wants a third or maybe very little guaranteed

25:20 money on that third year.

25:22 Like fine.

25:23 If you're talking like five, $6 million, I would not go beyond that.

25:27 Yup.

25:28 Yup.

25:29 I agree with you there, but yeah, that's just the situation that kind of, they've kind of

25:32 found themselves into here.

25:33 So another wide receiver, one we're familiar with Kendrick Bourne.

25:37 I was reported today, I think it was Jocena Anderson still again, that they're still kind

25:43 of far apart on negotiations.

25:45 He's still been pretty active.

25:47 You know, he was on NFL network last week saying he wants to come back.

25:51 But you know, we'll have to, he's going to test the market at this point.

25:54 So we'll have to kind of see how that shakes out for Bourne.

25:58 Mack Wilson as well.

25:59 Mark Daniels from mass lives said they had, they gave him a competitive three year offer,

26:04 but he's going to test the market.

26:06 That one kind of surprised me because he obviously loves Gerard Mayo.

26:09 And if they're giving them, you know, three years, what seems like a reported competitive

26:13 offer that that's pretty surprising from my part, but two other internal guys there that,

26:19 you know, we'll kind of wait, wait and see over the next few days, what happens with

26:22 them.

26:23 Mack Wilson be a sneaky big resigning for them.

26:26 He played a really great role last year and I'd love to see them get him back.

26:29 So maybe he's one of these ones where there's a report he's hitting the market and then

26:32 at 12 Oh five, he's back like that happens sometimes, you know, his agent, you know,

26:36 phones on why isn't this thing ringing?

26:38 Is it on?

26:39 So I have airplane mode on.

26:40 All right, just go back to New England.

26:42 Like maybe it's one of those, but I would like to see them get him back.

26:45 I think he was a sneaky good player for them last year.

26:48 Important part of the defense.

26:49 I don't really don't want them to have to add linebacker to the list of needs.

26:53 It's already such a long list.

26:55 I'd like to see them be able to get him back.

26:57 Kendrick Bourne.

26:58 Everybody knows how I feel about Kendrick Bourne.

26:59 Like I'm a big Kendrick Bourne fan.

27:02 Before last year, before he got hurt, you know, I thought he could have been like a,

27:07 had he played the year out, I think he's Calvin Ridley.

27:10 I think he's number one wide receiver on the market right now.

27:11 Had he played the year out, continued on his pace, he would have been a fringe thousand

27:14 yard receiver.

27:15 He's younger than Calvin Ridley.

27:16 He doesn't have the baggage Calvin Ridley does.

27:19 Now he got hurt and it's going to be 29.

27:22 And I just think the reality of it is, you know, you need a secondary guy.

27:27 Even if you sign Ridley, you need a secondary guy, especially if you're moving on from Parker

27:30 and Smith Schuster.

27:32 Could that be born?

27:33 Yes.

27:34 Could that be Donovan Peoples Jones?

27:35 Could it be Josh Reynolds?

27:37 And I don't know.

27:38 I really like Kendrick Bourne.

27:39 I think he's a really good player.

27:41 Do you need to go to the mat for him?

27:43 Just the way this whole thing set up, you could.

27:47 I just don't know that that's the best route to go.

27:49 Yup.

27:50 Yeah.

27:51 I wonder if he's someone who maybe, you know, he gets to the market and it's not what he

27:55 was expecting.

27:56 Cause you know, he'll be 30 he's coming off the ACL.

27:58 It is again, a really good draft class.

28:00 So maybe he kind of hits the market and says, you know, this isn't, you know, I'll just

28:05 go back to what new England was offering.

28:06 So we'll see with him.

28:08 We do have a little bit of breaking news from Chris Price of the Boston Globe.

28:14 I was just going to read that.

28:15 Okay.

28:16 You're the host.

28:17 Go ahead.

28:18 You do the honors.

28:19 All right.

28:20 He said per league source, the Patriots have not made a contract offer to linebacker Josh

28:24 Uche in advance of free agency.

28:27 So no traction there with Uche.

28:30 He's someone who I'm very fascinated to see how his market is going to kind of shake out.

28:36 But yeah, no, no offer there.

28:38 According to Chris Price, it doesn't surprise me.

28:40 I just, he's, they have so many other needs.

28:43 He, the contract he's going to get outweighs the role he plays for them.

28:47 He'll play a bigger role in other defense.

28:49 They'll go out fourth, fifth round, get a pass rusher, develop them.

28:53 Uh, yeah.

28:54 Anthony Jennings is, we haven't heard anything about Anthony Jennings.

28:57 Anthony Jennings is the guy they should bring back of the two.

28:59 I would much rather than bring Anthony Jennings back.

29:03 We'll see.

29:04 Again, we haven't heard anything with him, so I don't know.

29:05 Uh, I, I just, I don't think they need Josh Uche back.

29:08 They need to add a pass rusher, but I think there's other ways to go about that other

29:14 than bringing Josh Uche back that just make more sense.

29:16 Whether that be getting a more, uh, scheme fit pass rusher, like is it, um, Van Ginkle,

29:23 right.

29:24 Has been linked to the manager Van Ginkle.

29:25 So whether it be a guy like that, they want to go big, maybe got like Bryce Huff or just

29:30 going into the drafting and it got like Mo Kamara or one of these, you know, early day

29:33 three pass rushers.

29:34 Yup.

29:35 I love Van Ginkle and they were interested in him last year.

29:38 So I think that would be right.

29:39 I think he visited last year even.

29:41 Yeah.

29:42 Yeah.

29:43 So we'll see maybe how his market shakes out, but, um, yeah, I think that is all the rumors,

29:48 correct.

29:49 All the rumors, signings, trades.

29:50 Is there anything else big that we, I mean, Baker, you mentioned Baker's off the market.

29:54 That shouldn't come as a surprise to anybody besides Mike Kaplick.

29:57 I tried to tell him, um, he wanted that so bad.

30:00 It wasn't happening.

30:01 It was never happening.

30:03 Sorry for Baker for getting paid.

30:04 Uh, that was about right.

30:06 It kind of figured it's going to be somewhere in that.

30:08 My guess going in was three 90.

30:09 So I was off by what it ended up being three, one 10, three, I think it's one 10 with incentives

30:15 or one 15 with incentives.

30:17 So right around there.

30:18 Yeah.

30:19 Okay.

30:20 Um, good deal for him.

30:21 See if Tampa runs it back.

30:22 We'll see if it's sustainable, but is this the alternative to not paying the quarterbacks?

30:26 A scary, scary thing.

30:28 And we're living it as Patriots fans.

30:30 And I went on this rant this morning again, just to go back to the traffic real quick

30:33 as we kind of set the stage for the soft season.

30:36 I get, I saw somebody comment earlier.

30:38 I'm not gonna scroll all the way back up and find it, but somebody laid out the safest

30:42 off season.

30:43 That was their word, the safest off season for the Patriots.

30:45 And it was Marvin Harrison, Jr.

30:47 Michael Penix in the second Kingsley, Sue Matia in the third.

30:50 Now I don't know.

30:51 Sue Sue Matia is getting to the third.

30:53 I don't know that Michael Penix is getting in the second.

30:56 One, I don't know how safe that plan is because if your whole plan is built around Michael

31:02 Penix being there at 34 and the Cardinals sitting there at 32 say, well, Kyler's kind

31:07 of a wild card.

31:08 Let's get some high level quarterback insurance.

31:10 Now your whole off season shot, where's your quarterback coming from?

31:14 The other thing I'd say just about, I've seen a lot of people in different ways, say the

31:18 safest, whether it's Joe Alt, whether it's Marvin Harrison, whether it's trading back

31:22 the safest off seasons, the safest off seasons, the safest.

31:27 You shouldn't, we shouldn't be focused on the safest off season.

31:30 We should be focused on the best off season.

31:31 I mean, as a safe off season and the right, exactly, exactly.

31:38 Best not safest.

31:39 If there was any time, if there was any time to take the big swing, it's now, because what

31:43 do you have to lose?

31:44 Right?

31:45 It was worst case scenario.

31:46 You're a four win team.

31:47 Again, you're back picking at the top of the draft again, you get another quarterback.

31:50 So I know drafting a quarterback is scary.

31:54 Drafting quarterback.

31:55 So high, scary.

31:56 And I get Patriots, especially coming off of Mac Jones, Patriots fans are afraid of

32:00 they don't want to see another busted quarterback.

32:02 One bus that happened, you missed it.

32:04 Two bus.

32:05 Now it's a pattern.

32:06 Now you're the jets.

32:07 Now you're the bears.

32:08 Now you're the Browns.

32:09 Now you're the bills.

32:10 What I would say is the only thing scarier than not having the, then drafting a quarterback

32:17 high is not having an answer at quarterback at all.

32:22 I think you just got to take the leap where hold your breath, plug your nose, take the

32:26 medicine and hope it works out well.

32:27 Cause if they don't take a quarterback, they don't take one of these top quarterbacks and

32:32 any of them, I guess not the guys who go one and two, cause they would've never had those

32:35 guys.

32:36 But like if they pass on Drake may at three and Drake may becomes the top five quarterback

32:41 in the league, that's going to hurt more than Drake may coming here and not being that good

32:45 because at least you tried, at least he got the bat off your shoulder.

32:50 At least he went down swinging.

32:51 So I'm not saying it's not scary.

32:53 You have every right to be afraid that they're building the off season around this uncertainty.

32:58 That is a quarterback with the third overall pick.

33:01 What I'm saying is consider the alternative.

33:04 Cause that might be even scarier.

33:07 I I've said this about the quarterback carousel a bunch, and I'll say it again when you, and

33:12 this is why you don't blow the development to the last guy that people are saying, Oh,

33:15 you know, you can avoid this by signing a veteran or you can avoid this, but no, you

33:19 avoid it by one, not blowing the development of the last guy or two, having the next guy

33:26 ready when the last guy is still here.

33:28 I seen a lot of people point to Jordan love Patrick Mahomes, these guys who sat and people

33:34 saying, yeah, draft Drake may and sit in for two, three years.

33:36 You can do that one when you pick the guy in the twenties, not third and two, when you

33:42 have a guy like JJ McCarthy's, the perfect pick for the Patriots, Aaron Rogers, right?

33:47 When you have Aaron Rogers, when you have Tom Brady, when you have, even Alex Smith

33:51 was like a site, he took them to the playoffs.

33:52 He's a solid quarterback.

33:56 It's I, and I lost my, it's so you're not sitting the guy, right?

34:01 I get that.

34:02 It's, it's scary.

34:03 Be that.

34:04 So that's how you avoid this whole thing.

34:05 You're not being in the quarterback here.

34:06 So the time to avoid it is over.

34:08 You're in it when you're in it, a hundred doors in front of you and behind 99 of them

34:13 is darkness in despair and nothingness.

34:15 And you have no way of knowing which door is the one you should open, but you just have

34:20 to open a door.

34:21 You got to do it.

34:22 You got to rip the bandaid off.

34:23 And that's why I take a quarterback at three.

34:25 Yup.

34:26 I agree with you a hundred percent.

34:27 Uh, two last quick things I saw, there was some kicker talk in the chat.

34:33 It's Chad Ryland.

34:34 And then someone said, we need to bring back Mr. Automatic Nick Fulk cause he's testing

34:38 the market.

34:39 We're not doing the Nick Fulk thing again.

34:41 If you want to bring in another kicker, uh, to compete with Chad Ryland, go for it, but

34:46 we're not doing Nick Fulk again.

34:48 I'm, I'm out on that one.

34:50 And then, uh, lastly, there was one move that kind of impacted the Patriots.

34:55 They had some interest apparently in Jerry Judy, who has been a name we've been talking

34:59 about for like a year plus now.

35:02 He's going to Cleveland for a fifth and six rounder.

35:05 Uh, it might've been Jeremy Fowler again, who said the Patriots had some interests or

35:09 kind of involved in that, but, uh, we can finally put the Jerry Judy rumors to rest

35:17 there.

35:18 He will not be coming to the Patriots.

35:19 I don't know.

35:20 Would you have, would you have done that trade a fifth and a six for, for Judy?

35:22 So here's where I'm at with Judy.

35:23 I know this is kind of a cop outtake, but Fowler reported today, the Patriots were interested.

35:28 They had a deal on the table, but they wanted to wait into free agency to see what their

35:32 other options were.

35:34 I like it.

35:35 It's no secret.

35:36 I liked Jerry Judy in a bubble, a fifth and a six for Jerry.

35:37 Judy's a great deal for the team acquiring him for whatever deal, like he's worth more

35:40 than that.

35:41 He's a depressed asset if they, cause in people would say, well, can you get more than one

35:47 receiver?

35:48 You can, but you gotta have enough snaps for everybody.

35:49 And it's, you know, guys that are in different roles.

35:52 So it kind of is Jerry Judy or Calvin Ridley or Jerry Judy or Deontay Johnson.

35:58 That's the other one yesterday that Deontay Johnson is maybe looking for a trade.

36:03 If they passed on Jerry Judy to get Calvin Ridley or they passed on Jerry Judy to get

36:08 Deontay Johnson, I'd say, good job, good patience.

36:11 You know what you were doing.

36:12 If they passed on Jerry Judy, hoping to get one of those guys and they don't get aggressive

36:16 enough to get either of them.

36:17 Now it's a massive mistake because you needed to come away with somebody.

36:21 So that quote one way or the other is going to loom large.

36:24 There that report from Fowler that the Patriots had a chance at Judy and they decided they

36:29 wanted to wait and see what the free agency market looked like.

36:32 That could go very well.

36:34 That could go very poorly.

36:35 We're going to have to wait and see there.

36:37 I'm not even saying like in retrospect, it's a good or a bad idea.

36:40 They're trusting themselves.

36:42 That tells me they're willing to be aggressive and they know that they will get one of these

36:45 other two guys or said wide receiver X that becomes available.

36:51 You know, some guy like we didn't know Deontay Johnson was maybe available until yesterday

36:55 or maybe they know that some other guy, AJ Brown is becoming available or something like

36:59 that.

37:00 Brandon, I, you, somebody mentions in the chat.

37:01 Yes.

37:02 So we'll see.

37:05 I would have done the deal, but if they know there's something better on the table, it's

37:08 hard to fault them for passing on that to get somebody better.

37:11 Yeah.

37:12 Yeah.

37:13 I'm just not a huge fan of Jerry Judy.

37:15 Maybe he does better things in a better system away.

37:18 And I mean, I'd say if he actually gets a quarterback, but he's going to Cleveland with

37:21 the Sean Watson there.

37:22 So who knows?

37:24 But I was kind of all set passing on Jerry Judy.

37:27 But then, you know, you hope they do come out and they do get a receiver.

37:31 So they have at least someone there.

37:33 But I think that's it.

37:34 I think that's all again, all the signings, trades, rumors, reports.

37:39 So we will wrap it up here.

37:41 We'll be back tomorrow because the legal tampering period does begin at noon.

37:46 So Patriots have a lot of money to spend.

37:48 It could get pretty chaotic over the next few days.

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