- 2/15/2024
In the latest episode of "Patriots Daily," Taylor Kyles from CLNS Media hosts a live Patriots mailbag session, providing fans with the opportunity to ask questions and get insights into the team's dynamics.
Additionally, Kyles discusses recent updates regarding the Patriots' coaching staff.
According to sources, the Patriots are set to hire Taylor Embree as their new running backs coach. Embree brings experience from his recent stint as the running backs coach for the Jets. In another move, the team is retaining Joe Kim as the director of skill development, ensuring continuity under the leadership of new head coach Jerod Mayo.
Furthermore, Mike Reiss reports that wide receivers coach Troy Brown has the opportunity to continue with the team, although the specifics of his future role remain uncertain.
Additionally, Kyles discusses recent updates regarding the Patriots' coaching staff.
According to sources, the Patriots are set to hire Taylor Embree as their new running backs coach. Embree brings experience from his recent stint as the running backs coach for the Jets. In another move, the team is retaining Joe Kim as the director of skill development, ensuring continuity under the leadership of new head coach Jerod Mayo.
Furthermore, Mike Reiss reports that wide receivers coach Troy Brown has the opportunity to continue with the team, although the specifics of his future role remain uncertain.
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00:00 What's going on everyone?
00:17 Taylor Kyle's here for CLNS media with another episode of Pats daily brought to you by our
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00:25 This episode, we're going to be touching on some of the coaching staff hires for the Patriots
00:30 and retentions.
00:31 Obviously, a lot of moving parts with the Patriots, whether it's people staying, whether
00:35 it's people going, whether it's people coming in the building, but this show we're more
00:38 going to focus on people inside the building currently.
00:41 And then after that, we're going to get into some of your excellent mailback questions.
00:44 Also, if you have any live during the show, feel free to shoot them into the chat.
00:49 I'll be checking every now and then to make sure I don't miss anything and I'll try to
00:52 get to them if I can.
00:53 Y'all are the best.
00:55 Now to start off, the first thing we're going to be looking at is the Patriots actually
01:00 retaining director of skill development, Joe Kim, and this is actually broke.
01:04 I'll bring up the tweet right now.
01:06 This was broken, I believe, at least to my knowledge by Doug Kide, excellent member of
01:12 the beat, Patriots retaining director of skill development, Joe Kim, under new head coach
01:16 Gerard Mayo.
01:17 Kim is highly regarded for his work with the defensive line in pass rushers.
01:21 Good news for the Patriots defense.
01:23 Joe Kim, similar to Scott Peters, who works on the offense is somebody who is very well
01:27 trained in martial arts and incorporates a lot of that into how he coaches his players,
01:32 which is really interesting.
01:33 I know a lot of players like think about when Chandler Jones would train with his brother
01:37 who was a UFC fighter and try to get more into hand to hand combat.
01:41 I'm sure you've seen the videos of Aaron Donald like fighting knives.
01:45 If you haven't, please do.
01:46 It's insane.
01:47 I don't know who the hell told him to do that, but you know, he's fine.
01:51 So clearly it works for him.
01:53 But yeah, so now you have two guys on the staff in Scott Peters and Joe Kim.
01:57 Joe Kim obviously been around for much longer, but two guys with martial arts backgrounds
02:01 working in the trenches on each side of the ball.
02:03 I think that's really cool.
02:05 And yeah, really big retention for the Patriots.
02:08 The next thing we're going to move on to is the Patriots hiring Taylor Embry to be their
02:13 running backs coach.
02:14 This was confirmed by Jonathan Jones of CBS Sports, and he touched on the fact that Embry
02:20 was most recently the running backs coach for the Jets.
02:23 So he worked with Brees Hall, the outstanding running back for the Jets who had an offensive
02:28 rookie of the year campaign his first season in the league before he accidentally or I'm
02:33 sorry, unfortunately suffered a torn ACL, took him out for the rest of the year.
02:37 But even going back to this past season, as bad as the Jets were, Brees Hall was absolutely
02:42 a bright spot.
02:43 Didn't quite have the same deep speed, but was still a really good player for them.
02:47 Now I will say with this hire, Embry doesn't have a sensational track record outside of
02:52 that.
02:53 Like their other backs on the Jets didn't really perform as well as some people I've
02:57 talked to expected them to.
02:59 So I'm not totally sure how to feel about Embry, but in terms of familiarity, it's notable
03:03 that he worked on the 49er staff from 2017 to 2018 as an offensive quality control coach.
03:11 And during that time, not only did he work under Kyle Shanahan, which everybody wants
03:15 somebody from the McVeigh tree and while that can be overblown to a degree, I do know lots
03:19 of coaches have mentioned how working under Shanahan really helps you kind of grow and
03:23 learn to see the game a different way.
03:25 So there's that value, but he also worked with Patriots quarterbacks coach TC McCartney,
03:30 who at the time was also a member of the 49er staff.
03:33 So with Embry, doesn't have the same connections to like a van Pelt or an Elliott Wolf that
03:38 we've seen with a lot of the Patriots staff hires on the offensive side of the ball and
03:41 with Jerry Montgomery on the defensive line coach position.
03:45 But you know, the TC McCartney connection is there, I guess, again, this is one where
03:50 I'm not totally sure what to make of it, heads or tails, Brees Hall, you know, him succeeding
03:54 in the league is obviously a solid sign, but Brees Hall is also a phenomenal player.
03:59 So it's kind of hard to know how much of that was just Brees and how much that was the coaching,
04:03 especially considering again, there hasn't been a lot of great production out of the
04:06 Jets running backs, especially when you look at someone like Dalvin Cook, who didn't really
04:10 play a whole lot and also didn't really perform the way people expected.
04:13 Although of course he's up there in age.
04:15 So that's something to factor in as well.
04:18 Now looking at the third update that we've got for the Patriots staff, Troy Brown, according
04:24 to Mike Reese has been offered an opportunity to stay, but he wasn't aware of the job or
04:30 the role.
04:31 And then Reese threw in the fun fact that both Troy Brown and Alex Van Pelt were eighth
04:35 round picks in the 1993 draft with Brown going a few picks before Alex Van Pelt.
04:42 So I'll take this off the screen for now.
04:44 Technology will let me, there we go.
04:46 So the Troy Brown situation is interesting, right?
04:49 He's been the wide receivers coach for a couple of seasons, but he's been the kick returners
04:52 coach for several seasons.
04:54 So I'm curious, you know, the Patriots obviously hired Tyquan Underwood over the weekend, former
04:59 Patriot notoriously cut before the Superbowl, who was the wide receivers coach and pass
05:04 game coordinator at Pittsburgh for a couple of seasons.
05:07 Now is the assistant wide receivers coach for the Patriots.
05:10 So we haven't seen who the wide receivers coach is going to be.
05:13 If Troy Brown doesn't know what his role would be, if he came back, probably means he's not
05:17 the wide receivers coach position that because of that situation is still vacant.
05:22 I'm just trying to figure out what his role could be.
05:26 He could return as the kick returners coach.
05:28 Obviously the Patriots have had success with Jalen Rager when he returned to kick for a
05:32 touchdown.
05:33 It's weird that he had never been in that role extensively before that, considering
05:37 a big part of his skill set as being a dynamic return man, although he has had some ball
05:41 security issues in that role.
05:42 So I can kind of understand why the team might've been hesitant.
05:46 But if Troy does stay on the team, I can't see it being as anything other than a kick
05:51 returners coach.
05:52 Cause again, the wide receivers coach situation is a little weird and up in the air.
05:56 And in addition to that, I'm not sure if they'd want him coaching another position.
05:59 He briefly did coach running backs, but like you said, that position has already been filled.
06:03 So unless they want them to move to a different position like tight ends or something like
06:06 that, I'm not sure what his role would be outside of special teams.
06:10 But of course, something to keep an eye on in the coming days as we move on here.
06:15 So we will move into the mailbag portion of the show.
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06:55 All right, moving on to the mailbag questions.
06:57 Let's see what we got first.
06:59 Can the Patriots replicate the Texans formula, the rookie head coach and rookie quarterback?
07:04 If so, what has to happen between now and September?
07:06 Well, a lot has to happen between now and September.
07:09 They've got a ways to go.
07:10 They don't even have that rookie quarterback yet, but obviously Gerard Mayo saying they're
07:14 going to draft a premium position with their top pick.
07:16 It's completely understandable if they do get a quarterback.
07:19 I think that's what most fans expect them to do.
07:21 I will say I'm mulling the idea over of what if they don't get a quarterback and they decide
07:28 they want to get Joe Ault, maybe a wide receiver.
07:31 I just think that authentic tackle and quarterback are too much priorities to go with a receiver
07:35 that early.
07:36 But with the whole Texans question and Texans idea, it got me thinking because obviously
07:40 with Gerard Mayo and D'Amico Ryan's having pretty similar career arcs, but both in college
07:47 and the NFL, and now obviously head coaches that are pretty young and getting chance after
07:52 being coordinators, I was wondering, okay, like how were the Texans built under Nick
07:56 Casario, who obviously has Patriots ties?
07:58 I was curious what they could maybe take from the Casario era Texans in terms of how they
08:03 build out the rest of this roster.
08:05 So here's some nuggets that I found.
08:07 Obviously they drafted CJ Stroud with the second pick.
08:09 Patriots have the third pick.
08:10 There've been some rumblings that Drake May could slide to them at number three.
08:13 If so, I think absolutely pull the trigger.
08:15 He got lucky like a Christian Gonzalez situation.
08:18 It's a relative steal.
08:19 Take what you can get.
08:21 So I do think the Patriots are probably going to take a quarterback first or second round,
08:24 depending on how the first round shakes out.
08:26 As we know, Jaden Daniels is the most likely pick at number three.
08:29 My dream scenario would be them trading back just a few spots to get behind a team that
08:34 may not be crazy for a quarterback and try to maybe get Jaden a little bit later while
08:39 also acquiring extra picks.
08:40 I'm not sure if that's going to happen, but obviously would be ideal.
08:44 But drafting a quarterback, I think that's going to happen regardless.
08:46 Although I do think that quarterback should be someone who's expected to be benched the
08:51 first year and kind of have a bridge option who I'm sure the Patriots are going to sign
08:55 in free agency.
08:56 Whether that's Joe Flacco, Jacoby Bursette, Drew Locke, all of those guys have experience
09:01 with Alex Van Pelt and/or TC McCartney.
09:05 And then you've also got on the market Kirk Cousins, who's the creme de la creme of the
09:09 free agent quarterbacks.
09:10 If he doesn't sign with the Vikings again, he does have experience in an Alex Van Pelt
09:15 type system.
09:16 Alex Van Pelt worked under Kevin Stefanski, who was with the Vikings at the same time
09:19 as Kirk Cousins.
09:21 So it wouldn't necessarily be an unfamiliar system to him per se.
09:25 That being said, I'm not sure if Kirk Cousins would actually want to go to a team like the
09:28 Patriots where they're still very much rebuilding.
09:31 I feel like at this point in his career, he'd probably want a Super Bowl because he's made
09:34 a good amount of money.
09:35 But yeah, I say all that to say, if they draft a quarterback, I expect it to be someone
09:40 they don't want to start year one, especially with the Elliott Wolfe Packers influence.
09:43 They like sitting there on their young quarterbacks.
09:46 But that's the first note, quarterback early.
09:49 Then the Texans drafted offensive linemen in the first two rounds of each of the past
09:57 two seasons.
09:58 They drafted Kenyon Green in the first round in 2022, and they drafted Juice Scruggs in
10:02 the second round of last year's draft.
10:05 So clearly that prioritization towards the offensive line is something I think the Patriots
10:10 are going to have to adapt.
10:11 One because Alex Van Pelt likes running a multiple running scheme, and that requires
10:15 offensive linemen who have some versatility there.
10:18 Kind of hard to find those guys in the later rounds, although obviously interior offensive
10:22 linemen, you can usually get good values.
10:24 But I think for the Patriots specifically, they have question marks at tackle.
10:27 So if they side Mike and Wenu to be a tackle, that solves one of your problems.
10:31 Left tackle is still a priority.
10:33 And with Cole Strange having suffered two knee injuries last year, David Andrews' status
10:37 unknown.
10:38 You got Mothy and Jake Andrews in waiting, and I get that.
10:41 But I'd also like to see them add another interior offensive line piece.
10:45 Ideally a veteran, because they don't really have a strong interior veteran presence in
10:51 terms of the guards.
10:52 Obviously Andrews is great.
10:53 Strange will technically be a veteran, but he's missed so much time.
10:57 I think you need somebody who has more experience in the NFL in that role.
11:00 But prioritizing the offensive line.
11:02 Like I said, they drafted offensive linemen in the first two rounds the past two years.
11:06 I think that's something the Patriots could try to copy and take from them.
11:10 Also with receivers, here's a big one.
11:13 Texans drafted Nico Collins and Tank Dell both in the third round.
11:16 And those are two of their best receivers.
11:19 Metchie has been on the field a ton, but he is their most explosive receiver.
11:22 And Nico Collins really broke out this year, particularly under CJ Stroud.
11:26 And you saw that he was a really good value out of Michigan.
11:29 Now you look at a guy like a Roman Wilson, another Michigan guy who's probably going
11:33 to get taken something like the third round.
11:35 I think the Patriots can wait on getting their wide receiver until that same round.
11:40 Because especially in this class, there's so much talent, you might even be able to
11:43 get a good guy in the fourth.
11:45 Another reason I'd love for them to just stack up on picks.
11:47 There's a lot of people that they could take throughout this draft, especially in the top
11:50 100, top 120.
11:52 So yeah, wide receivers, you can wait until day two.
11:56 Also to be fair, they also did draft, I'm sorry, Nico Collins and Tank Dell were the
12:01 third round.
12:02 Jonathan Metchie was the second round.
12:04 But you can still wait is the biggest point.
12:06 First round receiver is more of a luxury, but I think you can kind of wait it out, especially
12:10 in a class that's this deep.
12:12 And looking at their veterans, their highest paid players in 2023 were all linemen.
12:17 Three were offensive linemen, it's Laramie Tunsil, Titus Howard, and Shaq Mason, former
12:22 Patriot, we all miss him.
12:24 But that was their three highest paid players on offense.
12:27 Then on defense, their highest paid player was Malik Collins, who is a difference making
12:31 interior defensive lineman for them.
12:33 So looking at the Patriots, Christian Barmore is probably going to become one of the highest
12:37 paid defensive tackles if the Patriots choose to extend him soon.
12:40 I'm not sure if they're going to do it now or wait till he hits free agency.
12:43 I think they should do it now because he's only going to get more expensive.
12:45 But looking at that model, Mike Nwenu, I could see him being one of your highest paid players.
12:51 Then you have City Soul rookie, left tackle if you want to sign someone like a Jonah Williams
12:55 to kind of hold that spot down for you just so you have a veteran who you can rely on
12:59 and you know what you're going to get out of him.
13:01 He could end up being another guy who makes north of $10 million.
13:04 And then you got Cole Strange, he's not going to be making a ton of money, of course.
13:08 But like I said, I'd like to see them draft an interior guy, he's probably not going to
13:11 cost a lot of money.
13:12 But that focus on really making sure the guys in the trenches are paid and are solid.
13:17 Because even with injuries, the Texans managed to find offensive line talent, stick it in
13:21 there and still have success, which is pretty impressive.
13:24 And also going to their highest paid veterans that weren't linemen, you have Robert Woods,
13:28 the veteran wide receiver who has had some lower body issues, kind of reminds me of a
13:33 Kendrick Bourne, where he's a veteran guy who brings a lot to your team, not just on
13:37 the field, but in terms of his personality and what he can do in galvanizing the group.
13:41 I could see a similar kind of situation where Kendrick Bourne comes back and maybe expect
13:47 to be more of a wide receiver three wide receiver four, but he's still someone who can do a
13:51 good job for you in specific roles.
13:53 As you see, how much explosiveness he still has after tearing his ACL last season.
13:57 And then after Robert Woods, their highest paid player, a veteran who's not a lineman
14:02 was Jimmy Ward, the safety.
14:03 So that's your Kyle Duggar type, right?
14:05 Where he's someone they really rely on kind of a versatile piece in that secondary, very
14:09 similar to a Kyle Duggar.
14:11 Although Duggar did have a bit of a down season this year.
14:13 So you don't know whether they want to franchise him and see where he is maybe in a role that
14:17 suits his skillset more.
14:19 You never really sure, but you know, the way the Texans built their team, I do think is
14:22 interesting.
14:23 And there are a lot of things that Patriots could take from it.
14:26 All right, let's move on.
14:27 See what else we got in here.
14:30 The Patriots trade down based on historical packages.
14:35 Would they be look, what would they be looking at for return?
14:38 I think that's what that said.
14:39 I get it.
14:40 It's Twitter typos.
14:41 They happen.
14:42 So let's see.
14:43 So let's actually looked into this.
14:44 So in 2018, the Colts went from the third pick to the sixth pick and exchange for two
14:49 second rounders and a future second rounder.
14:52 So that's one possible situation.
14:54 This all depends obviously on what the team has in their back pocket.
14:57 But in 2023, the Cardinals went from three all the way down to 12 for a second rounder,
15:02 a future first and a future third.
15:05 So it's looking like if you want to pull off one of these trades, it's going to be a swap
15:08 of first round picks.
15:09 Then you try to get at least one second rounder and then it's going to be probably either
15:14 another second rounder or a future pick that's in the second or third round.
15:19 But it looks like bottom line, you're getting a second rounder, a future pick, and then
15:24 another kind of day two sort of pick.
15:26 So if they do want to do that, I think with a number three pick, if they don't have a
15:30 quarterback they're in love with, the best case scenario is stocking up and trying to
15:35 maybe take the 49ers approach where you try to build around a quarterback.
15:39 And obviously I know fans aren't really happy about that because you don't want to get stuck
15:41 in purgatory.
15:42 But if they can somehow manage to get a second first round pick in the future, I think that
15:47 paves the way for you to have some ability to move around the draft board.
15:50 And that's when you can make a big jump and maybe get a quarterback in a future class
15:53 that you really like.
15:54 But again, that's all assuming they don't end up getting their quarterback.
15:58 And if they do fall in love with Jaden Daniels or Drake May, as I have as well, I do think
16:03 that's just where they're going to go.
16:04 But I think entertaining the idea of a trade makes a lot of sense, whether it's in the
16:08 first round or the second round.
16:10 All right, let's see what else we got here.
16:13 Thoughts on Ricky Pearsall as a potential second or third round pick to get a weapon
16:16 after picking a QB in the first, maybe trade down in the second and get a few extra picks.
16:21 Like I said, I love the idea of trading.
16:23 I'm going to talk about this later today during the best damn day of the week podcast with
16:27 Alex Barth, where we talk about more college football draft oriented stuff specifically.
16:33 But he came out with a great piece kind of going over the different ways the second round
16:36 pick can be flipped to get the Patriots more options.
16:39 Now I will say, like I mentioned earlier, I don't like the idea of the Patriots going
16:43 with a wide receiver in the second round.
16:45 I think you have to go offensive tackle and quarterback with your first two picks, whether
16:49 that's trading back into the first round to get that person or reading how the board works.
16:54 And as it was proposed, either trading down or standing pat and getting somebody you really
16:58 like with that second pick.
17:00 One important thing to remember is if they really love someone at the end of the first
17:03 round, trading back in gives them that fifth year option, which is very, very valuable.
17:08 So but specific to Ricky Pearsall, I have talked about it in our senior bowl shows.
17:14 I really like him.
17:15 I have not gotten to really dig into his college tape.
17:17 From what I saw at the senior bowl and what I've read from scouting reports, like he could
17:21 be a legit kind of big slot Z type receiver where he's sudden.
17:26 He runs really good routes.
17:28 He's active with his hands, which I like.
17:29 He's quick.
17:30 He knows how to set up defenders and he's got the speed to really take the top off vertically
17:34 once he sets people up.
17:36 Now I don't think he's a crazy deep threat.
17:38 You know, I don't think he's one of the premier guys in this class in that way where a Roman
17:42 Wilson might have more vertical ability.
17:44 But I do think that Pearsall can burn you deep, especially with that ability to set
17:49 up defenders and kind of keep them on their toes.
17:51 And I think he could also be a reliable kind of short to intermediate option who also has
17:54 really good hands.
17:55 I think he and Roman Wilson are the guys you're probably targeting if you want a third round
17:59 receiver as of now.
18:01 All right, moving on.
18:03 Besides Mac Jones and Matt Judon, do you think any Patriots will be traded this offseason?
18:08 I think the ideal trade candidates would be Juju and Devante Parker.
18:12 Now this team is from all indications going through a pretty significant reset on offense
18:18 where we're talking about Mac Jones getting traded and not being on the team in 2024.
18:22 We haven't heard anything about Bailey's Abby.
18:25 And when it comes to the receiver room, I think there were some people on the offense
18:30 who in terms of like attitude and contributions on the field just may not be ideal candidates
18:35 to carry with you.
18:36 I will say Juju, I don't think he was an issue in terms of his personality or his effort
18:41 or anything like that.
18:42 I think the effort was there, but the detail in his routes and the execution were, albeit
18:48 he was coming off an ACL injury, which usually takes at least a year before you really feel
18:51 comfortable.
18:52 And as we saw against the Steelers, he did have more flashes than we're used to seeing
18:56 from it.
18:57 But at the same time, the precision took a while to get there.
19:01 And in the Packers type system that Elliott Wolfe is integrating, and I know Alonzo Highsmith
19:06 is kind of a reprioritizing how evaluation works.
19:10 The Packers like explosives and Juju Smith-Schuster is no longer explosive.
19:14 We thought that he was going to come in and be a big yak guy.
19:17 That wasn't really the case.
19:18 Again, ACL yaks take into account, but I just don't think at this stage in his career, there's
19:22 a lot of tread on his tires coming off this injury.
19:25 I'm not sure how much he has to give you.
19:26 He's also supposed to be making a lot of money.
19:28 If you trade him, she'll look up the details on when exactly it is, but I believe it's
19:34 around June.
19:35 If you trade him before the deadline, it's better.
19:37 It's minimal inflictions on your cap, although it's just a bad contract.
19:42 So it's not a great situation either way.
19:44 And then Devontae Parker where I know he's really well liked in the locker room, or at
19:49 least that's how it seems, but on the field, the inconsistent effort at times, the lack
19:53 of accountability with reporters and just the general inconsistent execution where you
19:59 saw some of the deep ability that we were expecting from him under Zappy, that it kind
20:02 of disappeared with Mac.
20:03 And it's like, Oh, he still can win vertically.
20:06 That's pretty nice.
20:07 But still, there were moments where, you know, he's drifting on routes and he doesn't seem
20:11 as competitive at the catch point as we've seen in years past.
20:14 And that's his whole game.
20:15 He's not an explosive guy who's going to create separation unless it's vertically where he
20:19 manages a stack defensive back.
20:22 So I think he's probably another big guy who I would mention as a trade candidate.
20:26 Other than that, I think the Patriots need to work on retaining people.
20:30 I think that, you know, getting draft capital is important.
20:32 And like I mentioned earlier with Mac Jones, some guys you just have to move on from.
20:37 With Matt Judon, I know he was thrown in there because of his age.
20:39 He's probably going to want a little bit more money on his contract, maybe an extension
20:42 that adds like another year or two, so he has security.
20:46 Matt Judon is the only guy who can be a contributor for you that I think you should trade.
20:50 I think most of these guys should be retained or their value to the Patriots is higher than
20:54 it would be on another team if they were to try to entertain the trade.
20:58 All right.
20:59 Any free agent defensive lineman, you could pair well with Barmore to create an elite
21:03 defensive front.
21:04 So this one's tough, especially if you do end up extending Barmore.
21:08 He's probably going to demand something like north of $20 million.
21:11 So we can look at the PFF free agency rankings.
21:16 I'm going to be referring to these a lot.
21:18 I already have this offseason.
21:19 This is a fantastic resource.
21:21 Chris Jones is an option that was floated, but $30 million is a lot of money to pay.
21:26 He is a difference maker, especially in the Super Bowl.
21:28 But with that championship predigree, you also wonder whether he'd want to come to a
21:31 place like New England where there's no clear timeline of when they're really going to be
21:36 Super Bowl contenders or even really playoff contenders.
21:39 It could be a year.
21:40 It could be two.
21:41 We're not sure yet.
21:42 So Chris Jones, the name I've seen floated.
21:43 I just don't know how realistic it is.
21:45 Although even if he gets franchise tagged by the Chiefs, there could be some type of
21:49 trade scenario where a team gives up capital, but then you also have to pay him.
21:53 I don't really like that.
21:54 Justin Madabuike.
21:55 This is another guy who'd be demanding $20 million.
21:58 I just don't think those types of guys, if you lump like Christian Wilkins, we'll see
22:01 who else is in that category.
22:02 Like the $20 million guys, I just don't really think are ideal if you're already paying defensive
22:08 tackle that much money.
22:09 I think you have to spend that money in a different position.
22:11 So let's look at more like value guys where it's kind of just under, I think Leonard Williams
22:15 is a guy I would think about for sure.
22:17 He's a really good player.
22:18 He could play some of that more like five technique for you.
22:22 At times he can not just play defensive tackle, but he can also play like that odd defensive
22:27 end kind of role.
22:30 Still a little rich for my taste.
22:32 I like to get someone that you could get for like around 10 million.
22:36 Grover Stewart is kind of redundant if you want to keep Devon Godshaw.
22:39 Sheldon Rankin's is really up there in age.
22:41 I'm not sure.
22:42 Tire Tart's a pretty interesting option.
22:46 But I don't think that's kind of the juice that you're looking for where true Fletcher
22:50 Cox up there.
22:51 Daquan Jones is really up there.
22:52 Maurice Hurst, he did work with the Browns last year and Jerry Montgomery.
22:57 So maybe he's an option, but he's also more of a penetrator.
23:00 And I'm not sure how well that would work with Barmore who he can play nose tackle,
23:03 but I think you want to more in that three technique role where he can really attack.
23:07 There's a lot of two gapping in the Patriots system also.
23:09 Let's keep that in mind.
23:10 So some of the more penetrating guys might not be a great fit.
23:13 Benjamin Cunliffe, Shelby Harris.
23:16 I just don't think these are any of the game changing type of presence since you'd be looking
23:20 for.
23:21 So we'll look at edge and see if there's anybody there.
23:22 If they're going to pay a lot of money, I'd like it to be on the edge rather than again,
23:26 paying two defensive tackles a ton of money.
23:29 Josh Allen probably going to get tagged.
23:30 Brian Burns probably going to get tagged.
23:32 Neil Hunter.
23:34 I just don't think it works when you have Matt Jr.
23:36 Already an older edge guy who's probably going to be one of your higher paid players.
23:40 I don't think that works out.
23:42 Bryce Huff is someone I floated a situational pass rusher, but a very, very good one.
23:46 I had one of the highest pass rush win rates in the NFL.
23:50 So he's an option.
23:52 But even still at almost $17 million or somebody who's not going to be on the field for every
23:56 down, that's pretty rich and he's not a great run defender.
23:59 So I don't really know how I'd feel about that necessarily.
24:02 That's still a lot of money.
24:03 Chase Young, not a huge fan.
24:05 Now Jonathan Granar is someone who I think is very interesting because $16 million isn't
24:09 a ton of money for a guy who's going to be, so he's going to be turning 27 this season,
24:13 but he's really explosive.
24:15 He's had good production or I think you've kind of seen him build on it year to year.
24:20 And he contributed in the run and the pass.
24:22 That's the biggest thing for me is if you're going to pay a guy this much, I want him on
24:25 the field consistently unless he's just rotating for snaps and keeping fresh or something
24:29 like that.
24:30 I'd like him to almost kind of be your judo on replacement in terms of that's the edge
24:34 guy who's going to be getting the key pressures and can also stay on the field on early down.
24:38 So he's probably my most realistic and favorite pick of this group.
24:42 Jadavion Clowney, I think he'd be a solid addition, honestly, because he is a good edge
24:45 defender in the run.
24:47 And as a pass rusher, he's really gotten better in recent years.
24:50 So I can maybe see Jadavion Clowney in like a rotational kind of role if they don't bring
24:54 back like an Uche and he's up there in age, but he wouldn't be here for very long.
24:58 I think it's projected just going to get a one year contract.
25:02 Varius Smith, I'm not sure, honestly.
25:05 I don't know if they've shown interest in him in the past.
25:07 It just, you know, his versatility where he can rush inside.
25:10 I think that is valuable.
25:11 But at the same time, I don't know how much he's going to give you as a run defender on
25:15 a consistent basis.
25:17 Maybe I just need to watch more tape.
25:19 But I know his game is mostly pass rushing.
25:21 So, you know, that's where we kind of get that guy.
25:23 You want somebody who can do a little bit everything for you?
25:25 Yeah, I think we can wrap that one up like Leonard Floyd.
25:28 I think would be solid.
25:29 Andrew Van Ginkle, you know, division guys who've had statistics against the Patriots.
25:33 I wouldn't mind seeing them brought in the fold.
25:35 But again, I think this question is more like who can we add to bring the juice to the Patriots?
25:40 And I just I don't love it because of the amount of money that some of these guys are
25:44 asking for on the market.
25:45 In addition to the scheme fit, whether it's they are only pass rushers, only run defenders,
25:50 or they're guys who are kind of up there in age or, you know, a lot of different factors.
25:53 I don't love it.
25:54 I think their best option is probably to go young, try to get a defense tackle and an
25:58 edge defender at a good value at some point, kind of in the middle of the late part of
26:02 the draft.
26:03 All right.
26:04 Now, I will open it up, see if we got any questions in the comments section.
26:09 So Ken, how you doing, brother?
26:11 Good to see you.
26:12 All right.
26:13 Let me get that question down.
26:14 We don't need that there right now.
26:15 All right.
26:16 What else we got in here?
26:17 Anybody got questions?
26:18 Anybody got questions?
26:19 All right.
26:20 OK, here's one.
26:21 We got one question.
26:22 If anybody else has any, feel free to throw them in.
26:23 If not, I will head out.
26:24 How would you do this off season for agency and draft if you were in charge?
26:25 Well, this is a loaded question, but I've kind of touched on this already, but I'll
26:26 just recap to close out the show.
26:27 In terms of priorities, you need a quarterback.
26:28 That's the bottom line.
26:29 You're not getting very far with that one.
26:30 Whether that is someone that you get like a Jane Daniels or Drake May early on, or you
26:31 wait until the second round and get somebody who's more of a developmental type, even like
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