IR Interview: Jonathan Roumie & Elizabeth Tabish For “The Chosen” [S4]

The Inside Reel

Actors Jonathan Roumie & Elizabeth Tabish talk to The Inside Reel about path, journey, reflection and forgiveness in regards to the 4th season of their landmark series: “The Chosen”.

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00:03 Remembering wishing there could be another way.

00:17 And looking back, I do too.

00:20 I still don't know why it has to be this way.

00:23 The bitter often mingled with the sweet.

00:29 You told us it would be like that with how you lived.

00:36 The man of sorrows, acquainted with grief.

00:41 It's about the journey and about what's

00:46 learned from it, both as characters and also as actors.

00:52 Can you talk about that path for both of you?

00:55 Because obviously, it's very different.

00:58 But as you go into the fourth season

01:00 and what's happening with both Jesus and with Mary?

01:05 Yeah, I guess I'll start.

01:06 So where Jesus is in season four is essentially

01:11 the prelude to Holy Week.

01:13 So the escalation, the intention is

01:18 increasing between Jesus and the Pharisees,

01:20 Jesus and the Romans, the Pharisees and the Romans,

01:23 Jesus' disciples and each other.

01:26 And Jesus is trying to really guide people

01:30 to recognize who he is, to have faith in him,

01:32 to understand that they may not be

01:35 able to make sense of everything that happens along this journey,

01:38 but to trust him and to put their faith in him.

01:42 And that's something that I relate to as a human.

01:45 I don't necessarily understand why things happen in my own life

01:48 the way they do.

01:49 But I'm called to be active in my faith

01:52 and know that there is a reason for it.

01:55 And that is the mystery of faith.

01:57 That is the essence of faith, is not necessarily

02:00 knowing why things happen, but knowing

02:02 that with Christ as a believer, with Christ in your life,

02:07 that you are much more likely to get through it

02:11 with that sort of divine help if you have him in your life

02:16 than if you don't.

02:17 So for me, it's been an exercise in art imitates life,

02:24 imitates art, you know?

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02:28 Darkness is not the absence of light.

02:32 It's more uncontrollable and sinister.

02:39 You are there, waiting, because the darkness is not

02:49 dark to you, at least not always.

02:54 The coming darkness was too deep for us to grasp.

03:02 This season is-- there are some shocking and devastating

03:07 events that occur that really surprise and stun

03:09 the entire group.

03:12 It is-- it's a painful season.

03:15 Mary, because she's gone through so much pain in her past

03:19 and processed grief for so long, she

03:23 has, I think, a unique perspective on what's going on

03:26 and a sort of patience and also like an understanding

03:31 that we don't always get to understand, as you say,

03:33 why things happen the way they do,

03:35 why bad things happen to good people,

03:37 and the timing of things.

03:40 But I think she does have this patience with it

03:42 and trust that Jesus knows what he's doing

03:45 and to keep following him and be patient.

03:49 That is a parallel of how I feel all the time with everything.

03:56 I've been so surprised in my life

03:59 how my struggles or pain and grief in the past and fears

04:03 and anxieties, all the negative stuff,

04:06 have been used by God to bring me this wonderful experience.

04:12 I've been able to use those things

04:14 to relate to Mary Magdalene, which

04:16 has allowed other people to relate to Mary Magdalene, which

04:20 has been this communal experience of realizing

04:23 we're not alone in these struggles

04:25 and these are universal struggles

04:27 and that there is hope at the end of it with Jesus.

04:31 And so I'm always stunned by how the parallels of the story

04:36 affecting and influencing my own life

04:39 and understanding of things, which we don't always

04:42 get to understand, but you have to be patient and keep

04:44 the faith.

04:45 It would appear that we now want the same thing as Spirit.

04:50 Senior leaders in every district should question and expose

04:55 Jesus.

04:58 I just can't stop seeing how we could be doing things faster

05:01 and more efficiently.

05:02 You deserve a stipend for your specialized work.

05:05 You can at least make sure that you have resources

05:07 to keep the mission going.

05:10 My ledgers are in the red.

05:12 I told you to make life difficult

05:14 for the followers of Jesus.

05:17 Humanity is so important, and showing the humanity in trauma

05:20 because there's also joy.

05:22 And you see that through here, through the idea

05:24 of forgiveness.

05:25 Can you talk about the notion of forgiveness?

05:27 Because that's very powerful in this season.

05:31 Yeah, I mean, it's one of the hardest things

05:33 to do sometimes with each other, especially when

05:37 you feel you've been wronged.

05:39 And we read Jesus talking to Peter in the scriptures.

05:45 And Peter asks, how many times should I

05:48 forgive my brother, seven times?

05:50 And depending on which gospel, it's like, well, not seven

05:53 times, it's 77 times, or 70 times seven.

05:57 In other words, that is just a metaphor for unlimited,

06:01 like just as much as God can forgive us for the things

06:06 that we do wrong in our own lives,

06:07 we have to forgive each other when we are being wronged.

06:10 And it can be a gift to give that forgiveness to people.

06:15 So I think it's a strong theme, and that so many people will

06:20 be relating to this season.

06:24 It is on this rock that I will build my church,

06:28 and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

06:36 This infernal chaos, why can no one control these people?

06:41 What just happened to all of you?

06:48 It's about to get worse.

06:50 Now that I'm here, physical death does not

06:54 interrupt our eternal life.

06:58 Lazarus, come out!

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