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00:00 [MUSIC]

00:08 All right, our next guest comes from the land of next gen stats,

00:11 cleaning the glass, PFF, the metric man, Brian Barrett,

00:15 Off The Pipe podcast with The Ringer.

00:17 Multi-time guest coming in to hang out, midday Tuesday.

00:21 Still no real updates as far as Spacer's coordinator search goes.

00:24 Marcus Covington's probably gonna get hired.

00:26 They haven't announced it yet.

00:27 There's some reason to wait for that.

00:30 I'm not really sure.

00:31 I talked a lot about the coordinator searches.

00:32 We're gonna do a lot of that here today, as well as a wish list.

00:35 This is kind of the most fun type of episode, I think.

00:38 We get lists, we trade them, everything's on the table.

00:41 Were you excited when I gave you these topics here today, Brian?

00:44 >> I was indeed, Cal, and I think we're gonna have a lot of fun with this.

00:47 And I'm kind of sad in some sense, not with the list.

00:50 The list is gonna be fun, but the fact that the NFL season is over.

00:54 We don't have two games in the same day anymore.

00:57 And it's just, I had so much fun.

00:58 I don't know about you during the playoffs.

01:00 I know there were some bad games, but I thought there were some classics.

01:03 Green Bay Detroit was awesome, excuse me, Detroit versus LA was awesome.

01:08 Detroit last week, that conference championship game was awesome.

01:12 I thought that the Green Bay game against San Francisco was awesome.

01:17 I thought we got a ton of entertaining playoff games.

01:19 And now it's just back to reality that, hey, the NFL season is over.

01:23 And it felt like after the Patriots season wrapped up,

01:25 like, this is gonna be a ton of fun.

01:26 We get to watch playoff football, and now it's over, unfortunately.

01:30 >> Yeah, try telling that to members of my family who do not believe there's

01:33 an offseason, part of the fix to this podcast.

01:36 Travel to the combine and then owners meetings and lots more going on.

01:39 But look, I would rather be busy.

01:41 We're always talking football in some capacity, but I'm with you in that

01:44 it always comes to Super Bowl and you're excited, like, the Super Bowl's here.

01:48 And that also means, that's the last game for 70 months.

01:53 >> Okay, well, that kind of stinks, but long way to go.

01:55 We'll talk a little bit of Super Bowl next week, none of that today.

01:58 As I mentioned, the Patriots have unofficially promoted to Marcus Covington

02:02 according to reports expected to be the next defensive coordinator.

02:04 If you've been listening here, that is no surprise to you.

02:08 Patriots offensive coordinator search is up to 11 candidates.

02:11 Clint Kubiak is the offensive pass game specialist, a role.

02:16 Did you know that was a title anywhere in the league?

02:19 >> No, I didn't, but if he's somehow related to the Shanahan tree, and

02:24 of course, we know that he's related to Gary Kubiak, who's his father, correct?

02:28 So when you look at it from that angle, that feels okay for

02:33 me that they're interviewing a guy that's connected to Shanahan.

02:35 Because everybody that works for Shanahan McVay, they're good at their job.

02:38 So I'm okay with it.

02:39 But what was Mike McDaniel?

02:40 Wasn't he run game coordinator or something?

02:43 >> Well, those have become more popular, and

02:44 I think a way that allows coaches to give unofficial promotions.

02:48 Like you're not just a running backs coach, you're coordinating the run game,

02:51 which is still revolving around the running backs.

02:54 But when I read that title, offensive pass game specialist, it struck me as

02:59 something Stephen A Smith would say,

03:01 reaching for words when he doesn't know the coach's exact title.

03:04 And so he just makes one up.

03:06 It just screams the source.

03:07 The other guy who they interviewed, or plan to interview,

03:10 Raiders pass game coordinator, Scott Turner, used to be the OC in Washington.

03:14 Before that, interim OC in Carolina and quarterbacks coach in Carolina.

03:17 Another netball baby, son of North Turver, long time offensive coordinator in the NFL.

03:22 That's where that stands.

03:23 Nick Haley came in for a second interview Sunday into Monday, and

03:27 we'll see what goes next.

03:28 What do you like so far about this search though?

03:30 Just zooming out, 11 candidates.

03:32 We mentioned a couple of them, other guys have taken other jobs.

03:34 What do you like about this?

03:36 >> Well, the one thing I really like is the fact that if you compare the two

03:39 different searches, it's Mayo acknowledging, I know what I don't know, right?

03:43 In the perspective of, or from the perspective, I should say that,

03:47 well, defensively, I know what I wanna do.

03:48 DeMarcus Covington has been on my staff, and I get it, he's only 34 years old.

03:54 But we feel pretty confident in him, and he could get another job elsewhere if we

03:59 don't decide to keep him on our staff eventually.

04:01 So we might as well promote him.

04:03 I juxtaposed that to what happened a couple of years ago, where ironically,

04:07 Nick Haley could have been the offensive coordinator,

04:09 a guy that had been with the organization.

04:11 And the Patriots said, you know what?

04:13 Let's have Matt Patricia do it.

04:14 And it's like, then he's gonna go elsewhere.

04:16 And that's unfortunately what happened to the Patriots.

04:18 And it looks like, hey, maybe it all works out in the end,

04:20 because Haley, it appears he's the favorite to land the job.

04:23 But I do like the fact that defensively,

04:25 they knew who they wanted to go after, they promoted.

04:27 Now, offensively, it's that thing that I was saying about he knows what he doesn't

04:31 know, where it's like, okay, let's have a wider search with this thing, right?

04:34 Because the offensive coordinator position to me is a lot more important than

04:38 the defensive coordinator position, because Dred Mayo is, of course,

04:42 a defensive coach, at least his background is.

04:44 And I also like the fact that they've sort of zoomed in on,

04:48 let's go after McVay and Shanahan guys, right?

04:51 And I think the thing with McVay is, if you look at him,

04:55 we think back to Jared Goff, and it was heavy play action.

04:58 And then that wasn't the case with Stafford.

05:00 But they're also really good in terms of designing a running game,

05:04 which is obviously pivotal to whoever the young quarterback is gonna be for

05:07 the Patriots.

05:08 You look at Kyron Williams, obviously a great player, but

05:10 he was second in yards before contact this past season behind only Christian McCaffrey

05:15 among running backs, which means, you know what they're doing?

05:17 They're scheming it up.

05:18 So I like the fact that they had a plan where it's, okay,

05:21 we're gonna interview a lot of guys.

05:23 But we would like them to have, okay,

05:24 maybe some relationship with the Patriots in the past.

05:27 To me, that's not as important, but some relationship to the McVay-Shanahan system,

05:31 because clearly what Gerard Mayo is telling us,

05:34 that's the type of offense he wants to run.

05:36 So that's what I like the most about it, the fact that they've, hey,

05:39 we're gonna interview a lot of guys, but

05:41 we want this type of offense that we're gonna run.

05:43 So even if I'm not a specialist in this offense, let me get somebody that is.

05:48 >> I like it.

05:50 What do I like?

05:51 I like that it's expansive, as you said.

05:54 There is a focus here, loose focus, I would say, because if you're just

05:59 throwing darts at a list of offensive coordinators in the league, good chance.

06:03 Or let's just say offensive coaches, you land on a McVay or

06:05 Shanahan guy, because that's become the more popular in Vogue system.

06:09 That's just how football is being played right now in 2023, 2024.

06:12 I like that there is a focus on past game coordinators, quarterbacks, tight ends,

06:18 guys who have not obviously been coordinators for the most part, but

06:21 are in a position to make that leap because they see the game from a big picture.

06:25 They're either teaching it through a quarterback's eyes or

06:27 their position group at the tight ends like McKaylee,

06:30 as everyone has probably told you by now, involved in pass protection,

06:33 run blocking, obviously pass routes, which all ties together.

06:37 Throw only two positions, quarterback and tight end.

06:40 What do you dislike about this though?

06:42 >> So the number one thing I dislike about it, and I don't know if this is

06:46 something that they can control or that something that will happen in the near

06:51 future, so even if it isn't, not to go off topic a bit,

06:54 related to just the coordinator thing, if you think about it now, so

06:57 Mayo's gonna be a first year head coach at 37.

07:00 Kaylee's gonna be a first year offensive coordinator.

07:02 We assume that isn't done yet, but at what, 41?

07:06 And Covington is gonna be a first year defensive coordinator at 34.

07:10 I remember when Sean McVay, going back to McVay, took over in Los Angeles,

07:14 one of the first things he did is hired Wade Phillips.

07:16 And he just sort of handed off the defense to Wade Phillips.

07:19 But it was also the fact that, hey, this is a former head coach and

07:23 this is a guy with experience.

07:25 I'm very young getting into this thing, so

07:27 I want an experienced coach on the staff.

07:29 >> Great point, great point.

07:30 >> And you think about like Steve Kerr when he took over with the Warriors,

07:33 even though he had been a GM with the Suns,

07:35 Ron Adams was a longtime assistant in the NBA.

07:38 I would even go to Missoula, even though the guys he hired haven't been head

07:42 coaches, but Sam Cassell's gonna be a head coach, Charles Lee.

07:45 Even though those guys are younger, they're established assistants in the league.

07:49 And so that's the point- >> Van Gundy upstairs, right?

07:51 >> Right, true, Van Gundy's in there too as a consultant.

07:54 So that's the one thing, and you go back to last year,

07:56 just like they had Eamay's staff.

07:58 And none of those guys were on Joe's staff, not that this is the same thing.

08:01 But you get the point, it's just the fact they don't have that veteran guy.

08:04 And I wonder if Mayo goes out and seeks that type of person,

08:08 because I do think the in-game stuff,

08:10 you don't really know what it is until you get into it, right?

08:14 And that's why I'm interested to see is DeMarcus Covington calling all the

08:18 defensive plays, because I want Mayo to be super focused on the in-game stuff.

08:23 Even Kyle Shanahan,

08:24 one of the guys that we consider to be one of the great coaches in the NFL,

08:28 he messes up a lot of in-game stuff.

08:30 He has a lot of clock management issues.

08:32 We saw it as recently as two playoff games ago,

08:35 where there were a lot of questions with him, and

08:37 he would have been heavily criticized if they lost that game.

08:40 So I am wondering, and I don't really want it to be Josh McDaniels.

08:44 I don't really want him to be the guy that's doing that,

08:46 because as a head coach, he wasn't really great at that type of stuff in terms of

08:49 organizing a team.

08:51 But that's the one concern, it's like, hey, can you get a veteran coach to help out?

08:55 Even going back to Skarnekius, somebody along those lines that was with

08:59 Belichick forever, those type of guys are just,

09:01 I feel like it's important to have those type of guys with some experience.

09:04 >> For sure, and I'm glad you brought up McDaniels.

09:07 I talked about him a week ago with Jeff Howell, wrote about him as, look,

09:10 if he's available, and we know he's interested in staying in some capacity.

09:14 I'm not saying he's committed to the Patriots,

09:16 he's gonna consider all of his options.

09:18 He is the rare guy in the Venn diagram of coaches who have experience developing

09:22 quarterbacks, serving as an offensive coordinator, and want to be here.

09:26 He's in the middle, that's a sweet spot of what you want.

09:29 There's been nothing on that front.

09:31 And I said in my last episode, I've gotten pushback,

09:33 I want to share that again here now.

09:35 That it was more of a reading the resumes, going, he would make sense more than

09:39 Nick Caley, he would make more sense than even Zach Robinson, who now lands in Atlanta.

09:43 The second thing is, I wanna couch the dislikes, right?

09:47 Because the offensive coordinator search has only officially been launched now for

09:50 a little over a week.

09:51 And I said last episode that I'm getting a little worried about this,

09:54 because at some point, when you get to the 12th or

09:58 13th, that they continue to expand this search,

10:00 they're not gonna be all that different.

10:03 We have a point of diminishing returns here.

10:05 The 13th person that you date, is that different from the 1 through 12?

10:10 What are we learning here?

10:11 What do you want?

10:12 You kinda know at that point what you want.

10:14 And what I've seen with this group is not only, okay,

10:16 continues to expand, how much are you really gaining from that?

10:19 There are not many quarterback developers, which again,

10:22 was the primary reason, in addition to McDaniels probably wanted to stay local.

10:25 He's been local, he's been in New England, is a case for him, okay?

10:30 We understand the head coaching background.

10:32 And when I look at this list, Caley didn't develop any quarterbacks,

10:35 Zach Robinson coached quarterback, he played quarterbacks,

10:38 not on the table anymore, but never really developed anyone.

10:41 Shane Waldron was a big name, maybe the top name in this list.

10:44 And they got an interview with him, but he bolts to Chicago.

10:46 And so again, it is a little bit early.

10:49 I'd say in a couple days, if you wanna raise some red flags,

10:52 sound some alarms, I'm fine here.

10:53 They're just trending in a direction where I don't see a lot of guys who have

10:57 a history of developing quarterbacks.

10:58 The big fish have all swam off to other different areas.

11:01 And then you're looking for guys in this tree, but

11:05 you're not settled on any of them yet.

11:08 Like it's in this weird gray area where I wanna make sure that I'm clear about.

11:14 The lack of inactivity, I don't think is a problem as far as signing someone,

11:18 because you'll get panic everywhere.

11:19 Like listen to talk radio, they're just upset they don't have anyone concrete to

11:22 talk about, why haven't they signed anyone?

11:24 I'm just saying the people that they have talked to, what is it,

11:27 Gerard Johnson, the Texas quarterbacks coach?

11:29 I look at him who's developed quarterbacks.

11:31 Can you name any other?

11:33 Like Clint Kubiak even worked with Kirk Cousins when he was the OC in Minnesota.

11:38 Like there just aren't many guys that go,

11:40 Tanner Engstrom the past game coordinator from Detroit, really developed Jared Goff.

11:44 How much of that was Ben Johnson?

11:45 Those are my concerns is the best way to put it here.

11:48 >> Do you think part of that is the reason they're bringing in so

11:51 many guys is they can be like, look, we're hiring Nick Kaley and

11:55 he beat out 13 guys.

11:56 We talked to 13 people and like, cuz everybody linked Nick Kaley to the job

12:00 right when Drodd Mayo had taken over.

12:02 So maybe that's part of it where they're like, hey,

12:04 look at all these guys we had and Nick Kaley was the best.

12:07 I do wonder like you bring up McDaniels and I will give him credit on this point

12:11 is he did really help Mac in his rookie season.

12:14 Like Matt Jones was a pretty good quarterback in his rookie year.

12:17 So that there is that connection there.

12:19 And then the other thing I would say though about McDaniels,

12:22 say the hypothetical is that Kaley gets the job.

12:25 Would McDaniels wanna do something else that is not offensive coordinator?

12:29 And if so, would that be all right with Kaley?

12:32 Like would he feel like, I don't have the power with the offense, right?

12:36 If Josh McDaniels is say some sort of advisor to the head coach in Drodd Mayo,

12:41 would he sort of overrule what Nick Kaley's doing?

12:44 So I wonder if that's part of it too.

12:45 Can you have McDaniels and a guy that's trying to establish himself as

12:49 a young coordinator, and then you have Josh McDaniels talking to the quarterback too.

12:52 So I want, because Josh McDaniels, like say what you want his head coach,

12:56 which he was horrible.

12:57 But maybe that would be something where it's like, hey,

12:59 we're trying to install our system and Josh wants to install his system.

13:03 Which obviously we know is different than, I mean,

13:06 different than what the Shanahan and McVay like to do.

13:09 And it's really like in the Brady era,

13:11 it really morphed into different things from year to year.

13:14 And even from game to game.

13:15 But I wonder if there's too many chefs in the kitchen if you have both those guys

13:19 on staff.

13:20 >> That's where I land.

13:22 And it's not only just the chefs in the kitchen, but it's a guy who, let's say,

13:25 was forced into early retirement.

13:27 And had a Michelin star restaurant and then looking over the young chef who's

13:30 coming up.

13:31 Like it's the same reason that I don't think keeping Belichick as a head coach

13:35 while installing a new GM or promoting one from within really would have worked.

13:39 Because there's the greatest coach of all time,

13:40 the guy who ran the show for 24 years.

13:42 And for most of that had complete control over personnel being like,

13:45 you sure about that?

13:47 You really wanna reach for that spice, huh?

13:49 That seemed like a little too much salt.

13:51 Like that's just not gonna work, I think,

13:52 as far as a day to day dynamics in the workplace.

13:55 And that I say from the little that I know about Josh,

13:57 who's got a very commanding personality, runs the room.

14:00 Again, went head to head with Brady, as you will with people that you work with,

14:04 coach player relationships, held his own.

14:06 Wasn't always right, of course.

14:08 But it takes a certain kind of presence to do that.

14:11 And for a guy in Kaylee who you mentioned, unofficially passed over in 2022,

14:15 officially passed over in 2023, didn't get OC jobs with the Jets and

14:19 with the Texans, and then goes to take a lateral move to Los Angeles after his

14:24 contract expired.

14:25 I'm not saying any one of those is inexplicable.

14:28 And altogether, that'll probably happen to most coaches.

14:30 But you wonder if he's got the same profile, someone who comes in,

14:35 is gonna be a coordinator and hit the ground running right away and

14:37 have the gusto, the presence to say, this is what we're gonna do.

14:40 I don't care what anybody else says,

14:42 unless you're someone who works directly under me.

14:44 In that case, I don't know if Josh or Nick would be comfortable with that.

14:48 But let's get to the wish list.

14:49 Let's get to some positives here as we wait in the Patriots to hire

14:52 an offensive coordinator.

14:53 I told you, be as broad or specific with this if you want.

14:58 Understanding that if this three prong list, which is gonna be very basic and

15:02 we'll have a lot more talks and conversations and

15:04 podcasts about the Patriots free agency and draft coming up.

15:07 But this is the way to dip our toe in the water.

15:09 If your list goes, I want a new quarterback, I want a new offensive

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15:37 >> Like the quarterback's the obvious one, so I won't say that.

15:39 But I want Drake May or

15:41 Jaden Daniels, I'd be fine with either one of those guys.

15:43 I'm gonna tell you this, Callahan, the more and more I watch Jaden Daniels,

15:46 I'm just like, man, this guy is, the speed is ridiculous.

15:50 I can't wait to see what he runs at the combine.

15:52 And I hope he does run, because I know when Lamar was coming out,

15:55 it was a criticism that he's such a good athlete.

15:58 Don't run the 40,

15:59 cuz people are gonna think you're going out for another position.

16:02 With Jaden Daniels, I think this could actually just help him.

16:05 If he goes out there and he runs the fastest time ever in the history of

16:08 the quarterback position.

16:09 But anyway, I digress.

16:10 So my number one thing, and this is something that I think I said last year,

16:14 and I think I said the year before that, get a top tier wide receiver.

16:17 So you look at the free agents, T Higgins is out there.

16:20 Michael Pittman, we'll see if he goes back to Indy, I would expect that.

16:23 But Mike Evans also, Calvin Ridley would be further down my list.

16:27 Now Evans age wise isn't the perfect fit.

16:29 Obviously he's 30 years old, and in all likelihood,

16:32 you're gonna have a quarterback that's in his early 20s.

16:35 But 13 touchdowns, and he was really, really good in that playoff game.

16:38 And what's unique about Evans is if they don't get something done in Tampa,

16:43 he's not one of these guys that it's like,

16:44 maybe he wants to go somewhere and win a ring.

16:46 He already did, he did that with the Brady guy, he doesn't need one.

16:49 So if you just give him the most money,

16:51 like they didn't do it to Andre Hopkins, maybe he'll come to the Patriots.

16:54 And then, so I think about Higgins to me,

16:56 it feels like he out of this group is the most gettable.

16:59 Just because I feel like if you're Indy, I don't know how you don't keep Pittman.

17:03 I mean, he's top six in receptions, top six in receptions per game.

17:07 I just think you have to keep him.

17:08 But with Higgins, one of the things I look at, 14th in yards per reception, 15.6.

17:14 The average depth of target was also in the top 30.

17:17 He's 6'4", and I know at times he can be a contested catch guy.

17:23 But he also, he's at 5.6 yards after a catch per reception,

17:28 which was tied for 17th, so he can be a game breaker as well.

17:31 And the reason I say he's the most gettable is they've already paid Burrow, and

17:35 they're gonna have to give Jamar Chase a ton of money.

17:38 I don't think he can pay two top tier receivers.

17:40 So I do think that the Patriots are gonna have an avenue to get one of these guys.

17:44 And to me, I would love Higgins, but if they can't get Higgins, I would settle for

17:48 Evans cuz he can certainly help a good young quarterback develop.

17:53 I mean, having a receiver like that, he catches everything.

17:55 I know he has some drops, but

17:56 I mean, you can just throw it up to him throughout the game.

17:59 >> Brian, it's very kind of you to settle for Mike Evans.

18:01 A person who's had ten straight 1,000.

18:03 >> [LAUGH] >> I love him, man.

18:07 >> Yeah, I think it would be a great fit as, I don't wanna say a bad ball catcher,

18:11 but these bigger receivers have a larger catch radius typically.

18:14 And that helps the younger quarterback who's developing in the league,

18:18 needs to take more 50/50 shots, just to, until he progresses to a point where he's

18:22 throwing pinpoint passes against NFL defenses.

18:25 I disagree with you though, as far as T Higgins,

18:27 because I think you made the case for why he will be the least gettable.

18:30 And it was all the stats you rattled off.

18:32 So I get that one team competing with 30 others is slightly better odds than one

18:37 team competing with 31 others if Cincinnati doesn't retain him.

18:40 But I think you will see the commanders, the bears, possibly the Giants,

18:45 all these teams who need receivers and or have a ton of cap space.

18:49 Leap the Patriots in a way that the philosophy is gonna change in the front

18:52 office without Belichick here.

18:54 I think they will invest more in receivers as opposed to this B level,

18:58 free agents, middle class approach, spread the wealth,

19:01 which they've done since Belichick got there in 2000.

19:05 But that's gonna be, I mean, T Higgins is going to be the richest man.

19:11 He might come in close to the richest receiver contract in NFL history

19:16 if the cap jumps in the way that we expect it to.

19:18 I'm not saying he will be that, but somewhere in that neighborhood for

19:21 a young guy who's hitting free agency a year earlier than most of these first

19:25 round players or first round picks who obviously have the fifth year option

19:28 built in, this is gonna be T Higgins sweepstakes.

19:32 Now, do I think the Patriots should bow out?

19:34 No.

19:35 Relatedly, number one on my list, we're gonna start in the not many fireworks

19:40 here, re-sign Mike Unwinu, please.

19:43 Like this, it's preposterous to me that according to Jeremy Fowler,

19:48 the Patriots have already going, no, he's too rich.

19:51 We're not gonna sign him.

19:52 He's already gone.

19:52 He's an offensive tackle.

19:54 And Mike Unwinu has said on the record to Sophie Weller,

19:56 "Beta Z Sports, I want to stay.

19:57 I've had conversations with him that have been similar."

20:00 And some of that is just posturing, right?

20:02 You don't want to shrink your market by telling other teams,

20:04 you have one fewer suitor to worry about.

20:07 But if you're the Patriots, he's homegrown talent.

20:10 He's been an excellent right tackle and right guard.

20:13 He pivoted mid-season and finishes one of the best pass-blocking offensive

20:17 tackles, top 15 by PFF in pass-blocking efficiency.

20:21 And you would think he would only get better with the more time that he's there,

20:24 in addition to can bring this downhill running style,

20:28 which was the only thing they were really good at, running behind him last season.

20:32 Re-sign the man.

20:33 Like this is inexcusable to me that you have the fourth most cash base and

20:36 are going, that's too expensive.

20:38 We did this the last two off seasons when they failed to draft or

20:41 sign a starting caliber tackle.

20:43 You have one in house.

20:45 He's not going to be late to meetings or otherwise create trouble in the locker room.

20:49 It's Michael Nguyen, keep him in Foxborough.

20:53 >> It almost seems like it's a good idea to keep your good players.

20:57 Like they had this receiver by the name of Jacoby Myers.

21:00 They let him go elsewhere.

21:01 He was good with a different team and the Patriots were sort of missing his

21:05 production.

21:05 So keeping good guys who drafted, I do wonder with Nguyen.

21:09 Michigan man, I don't know how much money they have over there with the charges.

21:13 Their salary cap situation is not great.

21:15 I wonder if Jim Harbaugh, who wants to run the ball like crazy, goes after him.

21:18 But I'm with you.

21:19 I mean, that's definitely a guy to keep.

21:20 And keeping on that in terms of things on my wish list,

21:24 I have another guy I think they should keep, Kendrick Bourne.

21:27 So Bourne is coming off, of course, the injury,

21:30 although he's posted on social media like crazy.

21:32 Looks to me like he's ready to go already.

21:34 But from Kendrick Bourne's angle in all this,

21:37 I feel like you go back to last season, still, YAC numbers are good.

21:42 If you go back to 2021, and the reason I bring up 2021 is you're going to have

21:45 a young quarterback.

21:46 YAC perception, 6 among receivers.

21:48 The rating when targeted was 135.1, which is third.

21:52 And you're going to have a young quarterback.

21:53 So he's quarterback friendly, right?

21:54 And I think about it, too.

21:56 If you can get the guy that I had at the top of my list, T Higgins, and

21:59 you bring up a good point, you're going to have to compete with a lot of teams.

22:01 The reason I say that is I think he's the most likely to leave his team.

22:06 I can't imagine the Colts not keeping Pittman because they don't have a Jumar

22:09 Chase there.

22:10 But the other thing about him is if you bring in a number one, and

22:13 then you have Kendrick Bourne, and then I really like what we've seen with

22:17 Demario Douglas.

22:18 I don't want to say you're cooking with gasoline, but

22:20 you're cooking with a professional receiving corps,

22:23 which is something the Patriots haven't had for a couple of years.

22:26 The other thing I would say about Bourne is I don't know how much he's going to

22:31 command on the open market.

22:33 Not to say that he's old, but he'll be, what, entering his 29-year-old season

22:37 off an injury.

22:37 You may get a prove it deal from Kendrick Bourne.

22:40 And with all the controversy and all the issues that this organization has had over

22:44 the past couple years, he enjoys being a Patriot, right?

22:48 I mean, he likes being here.

22:50 So I think you have a real chance to bring him back.

22:51 And I just feel like we've learned our lesson watching this team play and

22:56 letting good players go.

22:57 I would keep Bourne.

22:58 I do think, though, there's a chance that, say, a contender,

23:01 like a team that's playing in the Super Bowl, the Chiefs,

23:03 that would be a perfect fit for Bourne, him or Shea Rice and

23:06 the group they have there, for him to sort of be a secondary or third option.

23:10 So I do fear that he'll go to a contender.

23:12 But from the Patriots, I do everything I can to bring him back.

23:15 >> It's a great call.

23:16 And a couple nuggets on Kendrick Bourne, who I mentioned a few weeks ago,

23:20 had already been approached by the Patriots about an extension.

23:22 Nothing's still imminent.

23:23 Nothing's going to happen.

23:24 I think they're going to wait on that as they should.

23:27 And normally I would say, okay, a guy who tears his ACL on your watch is a great

23:31 candidate, as you said, for a prove it deal.

23:33 And I think typically that is the rule.

23:35 What makes me believe Kendrick Bourne might be the exception, though,

23:38 is one, it was a clean tear.

23:40 So this recovery is going to be, I don't want to say expedited, but

23:43 a little bit quicker, as I understand it, than most ACL injuries.

23:46 There's a very good chance he could be ready at the start of training camp.

23:49 Is he a full participant?

23:50 Who knows?

23:51 But this is a best case scenario when it comes to tearing your ACL.

23:55 The second thing is, I don't know if he would be willing to settle for

23:59 less than what Juju Schuster got last year, because you just,

24:02 I stopped playing halfway through the season and my numbers were all better than

24:07 his and he only got hurt in the last few games.

24:09 So what does that say to you?

24:11 How do you value me as somebody who can play inside and out and

24:14 is a similar player from a YAC standpoint?

24:16 The last point is, I think there are a lot of offenses,

24:19 given his experience in San Francisco.

24:22 And I know the Packers on the floor watched him perform well in those joint

24:26 practices in Green Bay in August and took note that there would probably be

24:31 a lot of suitors, is my guess, guess, underscore guess,

24:35 about Kendrick Bourne if he were to hit the market.

24:38 Now, are they approaching him saying, yeah, here's $15 million?

24:41 No, of course not.

24:42 But I think the Patriots competition could be more than expected for

24:46 a guy like that.

24:47 And let's stick with the receivers.

24:48 Let's set off some fireworks here, one, two, three.

24:50 I want a day one or day two receiver for the Patriots.

24:55 So top three rounds, and I understand the big name is Marvin Harrison Jr.

24:59 We'll talk a lot about the number three pick and what they should do,

25:01 what they shouldn't.

25:03 Obviously, Marvin Harrison Jr.

25:04 is someone who should just be in the Hall of Fame already.

25:06 He doesn't need to play a snap.

25:07 We talked about this enough.

25:08 He's the greatest receiver to ever play.

25:10 I know that was his dad, almost.

25:12 Here's the thing, though.

25:13 He is one of several receivers at this top of the draft that is worthy of

25:16 your attention.

25:17 Roma Dunze from Washington is going to go in the top ten.

25:20 You stay in the first round.

25:22 Malik Nabors, LSU, is another top ten pick.

25:24 Let's go outside.

25:25 I think they should trade up into the teens or early 20s.

25:28 As it stands now, there's a lot to learn.

25:30 Where you could find Brian Thomas Jr. at LSU,

25:33 Keon Coleman from Florida State, Don Mitchell from Texas.

25:38 There are 11 receivers right now when you go to ESPN's Top 50 Prospects,

25:42 and this will change and we'll learn more, that are receivers.

25:45 Again, 11 out of 50.

25:48 That's over 20% of the best prospects, as we understand it right now in this draft,

25:52 are receivers.

25:53 Go get one.

25:54 Make it happen.

25:55 That's number two on my list.

25:56 That's interesting to me.

25:58 By the way, another point that I want to make briefly on Kendrick Bourne.

26:01 He's one of my favorite guys.

26:02 Him and Derek White.

26:03 I'm the president of both their fan clubs.

26:05 It would just hurt me to see Kendrick Bourne leave.

26:08 Are you collecting dues in the Derek White fan club?

26:11 I feel like that has hit its power.

26:13 I hope you're making a lot of money running what is just an ever-expanding club.

26:17 You should be getting membership fees.

26:18 We meet every Tuesday.

26:20 My brother and his girlfriend actually got me a Derek White jersey for Christmas.

26:23 I haven't been able to wear it yet because it hasn't been warm enough.

26:26 In the summer, I'll bump that out.

26:28 Let me ask you this on that receiver point.

26:31 You're saying use future draft capital or pick this year and a pick in the future.

26:36 Still stay at three.

26:37 Trade up.

26:38 What about if Brock Bowers fell out of the top ten?

26:41 Would you go after a tight end or use strictly receiver?

26:44 I feel like now all these teams that have elite tight ends, what Laporte does for that

26:50 offense in Detroit.

26:51 Obviously, we know about Kittle.

26:53 Historically, what Kelsey's been able to do.

26:56 These tight ends across the league have been ... There's only a few of them.

26:59 If you have one of them, it feels like it sort of elevates your offense to a totally

27:04 different level.

27:05 Would you be willing to trade up for Bowers or strictly receiver?

27:08 Sure.

27:09 I don't think based on the very little I've read about Brock Bowers.

27:13 I understand.

27:14 I've watched him all three years he was at Georgia and understand his capability.

27:18 The scouts are saying, "I don't think there's a good chance he falls outside the top ten."

27:23 You make a great point.

27:25 When you include Mark Andrews, who I know was injured for much of the season at Baltimore,

27:29 all four of the last team standing had impact tight ends.

27:32 It's obviously for the most part is run blockers as well as receivers and the kind of gravity

27:36 they have over the middle of the field where you need to win in the modern NFL.

27:40 Yeah, of course I'd be up there.

27:41 I think he's more of a receiving tight end.

27:43 He's not really known as this sixth offensive lineman.

27:47 That's not the position as much.

27:48 Hasn't been for 10 years in the league.

27:50 But yeah, I definitely consider Brock Bowers.

27:54 You're probably right.

27:55 He doesn't get outside the top ten.

27:56 Even like what in Joku when he started to play well when Flacco was there, what he meant

27:59 to that offense.

28:00 All right, so I'll get to my last one in terms of my wish list here.

28:05 I do want a uniform change.

28:07 Okay.

28:08 Yes.

28:09 Ideally, I'd like to go back to the Path of Patriot.

28:11 Second on my list would be the Bloodsow 90s.

28:14 Third on my list would be the Brady era ones are just clean.

28:18 They're not my favorite uniforms.

28:19 But I'm just at the point now, or if you want to switch something else.

28:23 But I'm at the point now where you look at these uniforms and they're just wearing the

28:27 color rush uniform from a couple of years ago as their primary home uniforms.

28:31 I think they're atrocious.

28:32 And especially when it's like the all Navy.

28:35 I talked to James White about this on my pod.

28:37 He's like, yeah, we thought they were cool for the color rush, but not wearing them every

28:40 game like every once in a while.

28:42 Okay.

28:43 But I hate their uniforms.

28:44 I think they're in the bottom five of the NFL.

28:47 Okay.

28:48 Dress like you want to win.

28:49 Look at look at the Niners, some of the best uniforms in the NFL.

28:52 Heck, I like the Chiefs uniforms.

28:54 I wouldn't put them in the top five, but I don't know.

28:57 I can't watch these uniforms anymore, Kelly.

28:59 And I just think they're horrible.

29:00 Now the white ones aren't as bad, but I don't know.

29:02 They look like they're like youth football uniforms or something along those lines.

29:07 I want to know like the origin of who decided to switch to these.

29:11 Like who thought these were better uniforms than the Brady era Patriots one.

29:15 And like I said, I don't love the Brady era ones, but they're at least I did really like

29:19 the white away uniforms during the Brady era.

29:22 I didn't love the home ones, but who thought like these uniforms look good.

29:26 I can't imagine who thought this is a good idea.

29:29 Really quickly, because I've, I found I'm in a shrinking minority with this.

29:34 What did you think of the silver tops in the early Brady era that they wore Sunday night

29:39 against the Cowboys in '03?

29:40 I think they played the Bengals with them on maybe in '04.

29:44 Like it was an alternate shimmering silver Jersey.

29:48 Do you remember those?

29:50 Yeah, you'd want that as a primary though?

29:52 No, I'm just asking what you think of it.

29:55 They're all right.

29:56 I mean, I didn't hate them.

29:57 I didn't love them though.

29:58 I love them so much.

29:59 Really?

30:00 That is a prime example of an alternate.

30:03 And I think this goes for most alternates where you're right.

30:05 You like it because it's a change up.

30:07 You know, the friend who you know you're going to go out, you know, until two or three in

30:10 the morning, it's going to be a guaranteed great time.

30:13 But if you went out with this person every single night, you would be broke and sitting

30:16 for certain meetings, introducing yourself every time you stood up and, you know, had

30:20 something to say.

30:21 So I don't say that to bring the silver ones back.

30:25 I say it because I agree with you.

30:26 The reason that they changed to these uniforms in part was to separate the Brady era from

30:31 what was coming up and move on.

30:32 I think it was easiest just to take what they had been doing as an alternate and move forward.

30:37 But the Belichick era just ended.

30:39 You're absolutely right.

30:40 It is time for a new uniform.

30:41 I would say this though, speaking of silver, not up top but down below, would you settle

30:46 for just the silver pants as a change up but keep the tops as is?

30:51 It's better than what they have, but I wouldn't settle for that.

30:53 I want more.

30:54 I want them to really work on this.

30:56 And by the way, they really did separate themselves from the Brady era, not just the uniform.

31:01 They certainly found a way to do that.

31:03 But if you're telling me like that's the only choice, hey, go to silver or stick with the

31:07 all blue, then yeah, I would take that over what they have right now.

31:11 Those are better looking than the all blues.

31:13 The all blues are just, they're hideous.

31:15 They're an eyesore.

31:16 Okay?

31:17 Yeah, not good.

31:18 All right.

31:19 My last point, and I've run out of fireworks because we're going from young 20 greatest

31:24 athletes in the world playing professional sports to old men who sit in offices.

31:29 I want consiglieres, Brian, for the coaching staff, for the front office.

31:34 I want guys who have been in those roles before and spoke exactly what you were talking about,

31:37 I think loosely when it came to Josh McDaniels, as just kind of a consultant, a sounding board.

31:42 I know what this is supposed to look like, but I come from a different background.

31:45 So the coaching staff, a couple of easy names off the top of my head.

31:48 David Shaw, former Stanford coach, took a couple of interviews for head coaching jobs,

31:52 a lot of history developing quarterbacks, obviously mostly been in college, but that's

31:56 a guy I would keep on my tanner.

31:58 Say, hey, come out for training camp, come out for the preseason, maybe fly once out

32:03 or twice.

32:04 We can also Zoom, which these guys in front offices now, XGMs, do a lot of this work from

32:08 home, but they join in at certain scouting meetings.

32:10 Be a consultant.

32:12 Jim Caldwell, hey, if you want to move to Foxborough, he's done this before.

32:17 Lovie Smith is another name, more of a defensive guy, but understands the dynamics of a whole

32:21 staffing and be there for dried mail in the front office.

32:24 The names are fewer, but I think someone like John Robinson, former Titans GM, obviously

32:29 former Patriots executive, could come in, do the same thing.

32:32 Scott Fitterer in Carolina, he came up in Seattle scouting system, and I understand

32:35 the Panthers were a disaster and all that.

32:37 You also don't know how much roster control Scott had necessarily in Carolina with David

32:41 Tepper interfering.

32:44 Whether it's them or Rick Spielman, who got let go by the Vikings a couple of years ago

32:47 and has done some media, or Dave Siegler, who I don't think has a job yet.

32:52 Those are kind of roles and people who could bring different perspective, some more experience,

32:58 and then I think should be leaned on as the Patriots move forward with an experienced

33:01 leader with their coaching staff and what we expect to be the front office.

33:05 Yeah, when you mention the front office thing, do you think Peoli's off the table because

33:09 of the relationship with Belichick?

33:11 No, I don't, because he has a very good relationship with the Crafts and has been involved with

33:15 their search process.

33:16 So, I think he's there.

33:17 I just think Thomas Dimitrov is another name who might fit in well.

33:20 I think Peoli's just a little too far removed, for my liking.

33:25 I understand he worked with Dimitrov in Atlanta, so I guess their timelines are similar in

33:29 that, but Dimitrov at least was GM for much longer, had more power and sway there than

33:34 Peoli did, who's since been doing media.

33:36 And Dimitrov has a little bit more, I guess I can't say this for Scott definitively, but

33:42 the Falcons were very invested in some data-driven decision-making and analytics.

33:49 So I think me saying that makes Thomas Dimitrov shoot to the top of your board, yes?

33:55 Yeah, I like him now.

33:56 I mean, can they hire him tomorrow or what's the deal here?

33:59 What's the holdup?

34:00 How has he not been hired?

34:01 What do you think about that generally, like aside from Scott Peoli, the consul here, a

34:05 consultant?

34:06 I like that idea because I think they need more people on the staff and in the front

34:09 office with experience.

34:10 And I would like to bring somebody, speaking of the front office thing, from the outside

34:14 in.

34:15 I know Elliot Wolfe has the background, of course, of he just came to the Patriots a

34:18 couple of years ago, but a lot of these guys, like Matt Groh's been here forever.

34:22 So I do like the idea of bringing in a voice from the outside.

34:25 The other thing I'd say with that too is just, I think you can say that with like the quarterback

34:29 too.

34:30 I know all these guys have like their quarterbacks coaches, but can you have like maybe, hey,

34:35 Curt Warner is like looking at somebody's film or somebody that's involved as an analyst.

34:39 Can they also just help out some of these young quarterbacks?

34:42 I know a lot of them already do.

34:44 And a lot of these guys have, who's the big one?

34:47 Palmer's brother.

34:48 I forget his first name, but.

34:49 Oh yes.

34:50 Carson Palmer's brother.

34:51 I forget his first name off the top of my head, but Jordan Palmer.

34:54 I know he coaches like a bunch of these guys when they're coming out of the draft.

34:57 I believe he's Josh Allen's quarterback's coach still, if I'm correct on that.

35:01 But my point being is like, if the Patriots staff looks the way it's going to look like,

35:07 there's probably not going to be like an ex quarterback on the staff that can help them

35:11 out.

35:12 And if you don't have Josh McDaniels with all that experience, it would be nice to get

35:15 like somebody that actually played the position to look at it.

35:18 Heck, maybe they get the Brady guy to look at it once in a while.

35:22 The Brady guy.

35:24 George Whitfield's another name.

35:25 I mean, that goes back years.

35:27 And I only say because he was close with Cam Newton when Cam was here.

35:31 And I had heard just strictly rumors, nothing solid or certainly not to be aggregated, that

35:36 George was angling for a job on the staff back then.

35:38 It did not happen, of course, but it's only so often you get to discuss these private

35:43 quarterbacks coaches so often on the podcast.

35:46 And so ends the George Whitfield segment.

35:47 All right.

35:48 You only have a couple more minutes.

35:50 Let's end on something fun.

35:51 Bill Belichick has just called you, Brian.

35:53 He says, you work for Bill Simmons.

35:55 You work for the ringer.

35:56 You're a media expert.

35:57 You've been on the radio side.

35:58 You've done the podcast side.

35:59 I'm trying to figure out what I'm going to do next.

36:01 And it doesn't look like I'm going to be a head coach in 2024, but I'm going to buy my

36:04 time.

36:05 I'm going to do some media.

36:06 Mock up the best job for me, Bill Belichick, to accept or push for in 2024 before I re-enter

36:16 the coaching carousel about 11, 11 and a half months from now.

36:19 Okay.

36:20 So a lot of us in the media do different things, right?

36:22 Do some TV, do some podcasts, do some radio.

36:26 So I have three jobs for Bill because he's a busy guy, right?

36:30 So after he spends the summer with Nike, he's at Martha's Vineyard.

36:33 He wants to get back into it.

36:35 So the first one is he can join the boss, Bill Simmons' podcast, The Ringer.

36:39 You know, they just lost Doc Rivers.

36:41 Bring in Bill for football season.

36:44 So you have that longer form where you can explain more things.

36:46 And I'm sure he'd be great as a storyteller.

36:49 Number two is join one of the pregame shows.

36:51 Now I would not put him with Gronk.

36:54 I love Gronk.

36:55 I don't think that Gronk is very good on TV.

36:57 He sounds like a robot out there.

37:00 But CBS, I feel like you could, it feels like there's momentum, but there's going to be

37:04 changes there.

37:05 I would like him to be on a pregame show with a former player during the Brady Belichick

37:11 era.

37:12 So Peyton Manning, I know he does his own thing, but that would be cool to hear them

37:14 talk about play.

37:15 Same thing, like he loves Ed Reed.

37:17 Ed Reed's like his favorite player ever because I don't think he'd be an in-game analyst just

37:22 because he doesn't have the necessary energy to be able to do that.

37:25 Like I can't see Bill getting excited like Greg Olson, who I think right now is the best

37:29 NFL analyst.

37:30 Like I can't see him getting excited like Greg Olson.

37:32 Now Romo's completely over the top at this point in time, but I just can't see that.

37:35 And the last one is this, and this is maybe the most juicy, is you're doing these two

37:40 things, but you're a consultant with the Eagles, the Cowboys, or the Bills.

37:48 Because then, at least from a storyline perspective, from a narrative perspective, we're like,

37:53 "Oh, hey, Sirianni was kind of on the hot seat.

37:56 McCarthy was kind of on the hot seat.

37:58 Sean McDermott, that guy's got a lot of issues over the past couple years with his team,

38:03 including some of the speeches he gives to his team at training camp.

38:07 Could Bill take over one of these jobs?"

38:12 It's a great call, and that is why I have cleared Bill's calendar as his consultant,

38:16 media consultant, Monday through Friday, so he can angle with the owners.

38:20 He can go to visit practice.

38:21 He can take phone calls, fly in his private jet, leap from Nantucket and do whatever he

38:25 wants.

38:26 I say, "You, friend, just have to work Saturday and Sunday, and then do your film study for

38:31 these appearances, because you'll have two jobs under the Andrew Callahan plan for Bill

38:34 Belichick."

38:35 I'm just staring at my phone, Brian.

38:36 I think this is going to come.

38:37 I think it's going to happen any time.

38:38 I just want to be prepared for Bill when he calls and asks me this.

38:42 The first one is, "You are going to join Sunday NFL countdown."

38:46 The ESPN friend of his, Adam Schefter, Teddy Bruschi, is on that set.

38:51 As I said, it's a little too crowded.

38:53 Bill makes a simple demand.

38:54 He says, "Get Rex Ryan the hell out of here.

38:57 I'm taking your seat.

38:58 I'm sitting right then.

38:59 Oh, and this is a three-hour show?

39:01 No, I'm working one hour."

39:02 In 15 minutes of this hour, we are bringing in the Bellistrator.

39:06 It's something he knows.

39:07 It's something he's familiar with.

39:09 He could even have Scott Zolak as part of this pitch because he and Zoe are close.

39:13 I'm going to rule this segment.

39:15 I'm going to pick the defenses and the offenses and the players that I want to break down.

39:18 We're all going to sit and watch.

39:19 It's going to be phenomenal because Bill, wherever he lands, is going to be excellent

39:23 in media.

39:24 He does an hour of countdown and that's it.

39:26 He can fly from Nantucket.

39:27 He's already there.

39:29 All things work out there.

39:30 On Sunday nights, Peacock pitches in.

39:33 He says, "Hey, we know what they're doing over there at ESPN, but they already got a

39:36 guy.

39:37 It's Peyton Manning and Eli Manning for the Manning cast.

39:39 We want the Belichick cast."

39:42 It's going to be you and it could be Zoe or we'll pick somebody else and we'll have this

39:47 alternate stream from all these people who signed up for that Dolphins-Chiefs game and

39:50 still forgot to unsubscribe.

39:52 They'll just keep it now because you are going to be doing what they do on the Manning cast,

39:57 but better.

39:58 You will have complete control over the rewinds, the plays, anything you want to highlight.

40:03 He will dominate that space where it's minimal travel.

40:05 He can do this from his home in Nantucket or he can stay at ESPN.

40:09 He says, "Look, you just have to rent out the studio.

40:11 I'm sorry.

40:12 That's the deal.

40:13 I'm Bill Belichick."

40:14 They do this on Peacock on Sunday nights and then he goes back Monday through Friday calling

40:17 up Jerry, speaking with the guys at the Eagles.

40:19 "Oh, Terry Pagoula.

40:20 Yeah, Sean McDermott, two and four.

40:22 Yeah, well, just you know where I'm at."

40:24 He gets to do whatever he wants during the week, but Saturday and Sunday are taken up

40:28 by ESPN and Peacock in a separate stream, which is not a unique idea, but I think that's

40:33 a sweet spot for him, what he wants to do.

40:34 What do you think?

40:35 I absolutely love the Peacock idea and I will admit that I use somebody else's password

40:40 for the Peacock playoff games.

40:42 It's like one of the only streaming ones I don't have, but you know who else they can

40:49 bring?

40:50 He could have like revolving guests, but what if it was Saban?

40:52 What if him and Saban watch a game on Sunday night and they break down?

40:55 Now it would be, the tone of it would probably be pretty monotone, but can you imagine those

41:00 guys just being like, "I have no idea why they just ran this.

41:03 This makes no sense whatsoever at this point of the game," or something along those lines.

41:07 I think that would be awesome.

41:08 Bill in that setting, that's what he needs to do much more than the actual game because

41:12 he doesn't have to have the necessary energy, but that would be for the viewer, seeing what

41:17 Bill is actually seeing and you're like, "Whoa, how does he know this is going to happen?

41:22 How did he know that it would work out that way?"

41:25 You know what?

41:26 I think that would help him get a job.

41:28 We all thought, yes, and that's the other part of this, is rehabbing the public image,

41:32 bringing in ownership.

41:33 We got one interview.

41:34 That's what it was.

41:35 It was Atlanta and they passed on.

41:37 There is a purpose to this aside from collecting a paycheck and staying in the game, to rehab

41:41 your image because owners are nothing but fans with controlling interests.

41:44 It's a great point.

41:46 He'll need a play-by-play guy, someone to carry that Bella...

41:48 There's a way to do this, right?

41:49 It's a Bella cast.

41:50 There it is.

41:51 That was staring me in the face and I skipped over it to just spit out Bella check cast.

41:55 The Bella cast.

41:56 - I'll carry it with them.

41:57 - He'll need a play-by-play guy, someone to bring that juice.

42:00 Now this guy is busy in the studio, does a great job, but he's familiar with Bill and

42:06 he has a twin also in media.

42:09 Devin and Jason McCordy on the Bella cast.

42:12 Who do you think of that?

42:14 - I like it.

42:15 I think that Jason McCordy was like the breakout NFL analyst this season.

42:19 I know he's been doing good morning football for a couple of years and I know Devin McCordy,

42:23 obviously that'd be easy because he's already under the NBC umbrella, but I thought Jason

42:27 McCordy, the first game I heard him call was the Dolphins Chiefs game.

42:32 I can't remember.

42:33 Was that Germany, wherever it was?

42:34 Remember it was like the early game?

42:36 And I didn't know he was calling him.

42:37 I'm like, man, he is awesome.

42:39 That would be awesome.

42:40 Those two guys.

42:41 And even if it was just one of them, I know obviously him and Devin have worked together

42:46 a lot longer than him and Jason McCordy, but either one, like both would be awesome.

42:50 I think they're both really good.

42:52 And the one thing I'll say about the NBC three game show, there's too many guys.

42:56 I want to hear more Devin McCordy.

42:57 I've had enough of Jason Garrett.

42:59 I really don't need him.

43:00 He says the most obvious things.

43:01 It's shocking he wasn't a great coach.

43:04 Yeah.

43:05 Shocking though that he and Bill are close.

43:07 They have spent some time in the market and elsewhere.

43:09 I'll leave it at that.

43:10 But hey, maybe I'll reach out to Devin and see if we can pitch this idea to him.

43:13 I don't know how much he would love doing that.

43:15 Though Bill, I have to stress this.

43:16 If he wants to turn it on, he wants to do a good job.

43:18 He will blow everyone away.

43:19 We all thought Romo in 2017 was shocking calling out plays.

43:23 Bill on the Bella cast or Bill doing whatever the hell he wants is going to be immediately

43:28 among the best in that role.

43:30 Speaking of among the best, Brian Barrett, Off the Pike podcast.

43:33 You can listen to him on the Sox, the Celtics, the Bruins, and of course the Patriots over

43:37 at the Ringer doing excellent work.

43:38 Thank you sir for always making the time.

43:39 Cali, thanks for having me, man.

43:40 Enjoyed it.

43:40 Cali, thanks for having me, man.

43:41 Enjoyed it.

43:42 Enjoyed it.

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