02:41 I don't know why Sikasem is starting to penetrate
02:45 into our political life.
02:47 I don't know why.
02:49 Because we need to--
02:52 It wasn't like that.
02:53 But it appears, say, [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
03:02 we must really rethink through to have
03:04 a serious discussion about it.
03:06 [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
03:10 Because I don't think that kind of rout in a democracy
03:15 really can help all of us as a country.
03:17 I don't think so.
03:18 And I think we have to look closely to all these things
03:20 and see how our national discussions.
03:23 [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
03:26 But yes, I know there are [INAUDIBLE]
03:32 But I'm saying, [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
03:36 financially, [INAUDIBLE]
03:38 within my parliament.
03:40 And I don't think that should be the way to go.
03:42 [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
03:44 [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
03:47 Yes, I will say one day, we will be [INAUDIBLE]
03:52 and I will be [INAUDIBLE]
03:55 [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
04:00 And I don't think that's what we should encourage.
04:02 We shouldn't encourage at all.
04:03 [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
04:08 Yeah, I've been doing a pro--
04:10 [INAUDIBLE]
04:13 Anyway, I say [INAUDIBLE]
04:22 They don't understand, say, that we have to prevent
04:26 bombing from even happening.
04:27 They don't understand it.
04:28 [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
04:34 We prevent [INAUDIBLE]
04:36 [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
04:40 [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
04:43 [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
04:47 [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
04:56 [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
04:58 And take yourself out of [INAUDIBLE] you see?
05:02 [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
05:06 [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH] criminal case.
05:08 [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
05:10 [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
05:12 [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
05:16 [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
05:18 [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
05:20 The police will investigate you.
05:21 [INAUDIBLE]
05:26 So just go to the ballot paper and just say, [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
05:30 [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
05:32 [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
05:34 [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
05:36 [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
05:38 [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
05:40 [INAUDIBLE]
05:43 [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
05:46 The party absorbs as not the party [INAUDIBLE]
05:51 we have serious police officers [INAUDIBLE]
05:54 [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
05:57 Where sometimes you can really see through.
06:00 These are criminal issues.
06:02 The laws of the land should take its course.
06:04 [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
06:05 [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
06:10 [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
06:21 [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
06:22 And unfortunately in this country,
06:24 when it gets to whether party, internal party politics,
06:28 national party, national elections,
06:30 [INAUDIBLE]
06:32 because we are pressing self-destruction button.
06:35 [INAUDIBLE]
06:37 Then we come back for reconciliation.
06:39 It's always difficult.
06:40 Is it that parties know and find enough punitive measures
06:45 in work to deter?
06:48 And I say, we've come to accept the order of the day.
06:51 So that should be it.
06:53 Is that the case?
06:54 [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
06:58 Enforcement.
06:59 [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
07:09 And maybe along the way, [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
07:23 Like I was saying, [INAUDIBLE]
07:32 How does it culminate into [INAUDIBLE]??
07:35 I don't understand it.
07:38 I don't understand it.
07:40 [INAUDIBLE]
07:42 [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
07:49 So I come back to one thing, Oman.
07:53 And I say, [INAUDIBLE]
08:00 It's not the time for this.
08:01 And I think we should be disciplined as a country.
08:03 We're a national discussion.
08:05 We should be a national discussion.
08:07 We must not rent ourselves.
08:08 [INAUDIBLE]
08:10 We must follow a certain path.
08:11 [INAUDIBLE]
08:14 [INAUDIBLE]
08:17 That's from [INAUDIBLE]
08:19 It's as simple as that.
08:20 Again--
08:21 It's as simple as that.
08:22 Again, my main reason is because you also
08:26 play a key role in your parties' deliberations
08:29 to pick people to parliament.
08:30 Maybe it's as a party, you are mindful of the caliber
08:34 of people that [INAUDIBLE]
08:36 So I'm going to represent you.
08:38 I'm going to--
08:38 [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH]
08:41 Is the party mindful?
08:44 Yes, the party is very mindful.
08:47 [INAUDIBLE]
08:48 I want to say, in a democracy, [INAUDIBLE]
08:58 The party cannot force anybody to say [INAUDIBLE]
09:03 [INAUDIBLE]
09:09 The free will [INAUDIBLE]
09:13 Because [INAUDIBLE]
09:17 So [INAUDIBLE]
09:22 [INAUDIBLE]
09:23 Across the entire country.
09:25 A national parliamentary voting committee.
09:29 [INAUDIBLE] eligibility.
09:31 [INAUDIBLE]
09:35 [INAUDIBLE]
09:37 [INAUDIBLE]
09:39 [INAUDIBLE]
09:41 National [INAUDIBLE]
09:44 [INAUDIBLE]
09:45 It's OK.
09:46 [INAUDIBLE]
09:56 So the party is very mindful about the people who represent
09:58 in parliament.
09:59 [INAUDIBLE]
10:00 A criminal record.
10:01 The party cannot pass you.
10:02 [INAUDIBLE]
10:04 With a criminal record.
10:05 [INAUDIBLE]
10:07 I don't think the party will ever do that.
10:09 And in fact, even when you win the elections,
10:12 [INAUDIBLE]
10:13 Or a criminal conviction, and they
10:15 be able to see a party now, the party will remove you
10:18 and will take you out.
10:19 That is why I want verification committee.
10:23 And we are after the elections.
10:25 [INAUDIBLE]
10:29 [INAUDIBLE]
10:31 And we are [INAUDIBLE]
10:32 All the aspirants across the country.
10:35 275.
10:36 Our national level.
10:38 We just have to go through the whole thing all over again.
10:40 Say, [INAUDIBLE]
10:44 [INAUDIBLE]
10:48 We go to the whole China, who believe in it, we are.
10:50 [INAUDIBLE]
10:53 You can announce to go and stand in the name
10:56 of the new party party.
10:58 [INAUDIBLE]
10:59 [INAUDIBLE]
11:00 [INAUDIBLE]
11:01 [INAUDIBLE]
11:02 [INAUDIBLE]
11:03 [INAUDIBLE]
11:04 [INAUDIBLE]
11:05 [INAUDIBLE]
11:06 [INAUDIBLE]
11:07 [INAUDIBLE]
11:08 OK.
11:09 [INAUDIBLE]
11:10 OK.
11:11 So this conversation, this conversation,
11:14 I bet to us, even though Hackman knew Javi North,
11:16 I couldn't do one, he didn't register him.
11:18 [INAUDIBLE]
11:19 [INAUDIBLE]
11:20 [INAUDIBLE]
11:21 they didn't know. And a normal and a a normal. I said, that would be an error from the IT department of the party. To be an error. And no less a person like Hakman Usuagiman.
