Bat Symbol Case: Ch Ghulam Hussain's critical analysis on PTI lawyers

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00:00 First of all, tell us how is the weather in Lahore?

00:02 Is there less smoke?

00:04 Are there clouds of smoke?

00:06 Are the conditions better there?

00:09 And Mr. Chaudhary, I hope that you will serve the real Bat Kadhai to Mr. Hassan Ayub this time.

00:15 Because he says that there is a lot of problem with Bat Kadhai there.

00:17 It is not known which is the real one.

00:19 Then you know, you can get Gajar Halwa in Lahore in winters.

00:23 So, you must serve him.

00:25 First question to you, Mr. Chaudhary Gulam Singh.

00:28 How do you see today's hearing?

00:30 The judge has given the time for the morning.

00:35 What do you think?

00:36 I think that my observation on this is that the case has been observed by the court.

00:42 Keeping that in mind, you can do your assessment on it.

00:46 But if the lawyers are from PTI, I don't think they will win the case.

00:52 The way they were preparing today, I hope that it is well prepared in the morning.

00:56 You see, Mr. Khawar Gommar, I am neither a lawyer nor do I have this case.

01:08 But, the way I have seen the proceedings today,

01:14 obviously, Mr. Ahmed Khan is a very committed man,

01:18 a very convictive man, he has a very strong standing,

01:20 he is a very strong personality in the law profession.

01:25 But, he is not a man of arguments in the court.

01:30 Who will fight his case?

01:32 It is Ali Zafar, who gave the answer to all the objections in the Peshawar High Court for two hours.

01:40 Unfortunately, he was not in Islamabad, he was in Lahore.

01:43 And he was involved in the system.

01:53 So, he has to give the argument, that is why he asked for time.

01:57 Yes, the Chief Justice has said that you should try to come to us in the morning,

02:01 and before noon, or after taking out time,

02:05 if Ali Zafar comes and argues here, it will be more appropriate.

02:09 Yes, Mr. Chaudhary.

02:11 And number two, this case is 100% on the merits,

02:19 the balance of the till is in favour of the PTI,

02:23 and the Election Commission is on the wrong,

02:27 and PTI is on the right,

02:29 and they are being wronged,

02:31 they are being denied their due.

02:33 The actions that they are doing,

02:35 you have just read out the case of one party,

02:37 and you are arguing, that they have made it unopposed or opposed.

02:43 What is this going on?

02:47 I am asking Hassan Ayub, that...

02:49 It is not acceptable to the people of Pakistan.

02:51 They are making fun of me.

02:53 I am saying from the first day,

02:55 it is the job of the Election Commission,

02:57 that you should hold elections,

02:59 and freedom, and for all, it is acceptable.

03:01 And from outside, I am being told,

03:03 I am saying on record,

03:05 that elections should be credible,

03:09 and everyone should be able to accept it.

03:11 Otherwise, it is not an election.

03:13 Stop this act.

03:15 Okay, Hassan, before I go to you,

03:19 you had a case today,

03:21 which went live all day,

03:23 and the lawyers of Akbar S. Bawar were also present there.

03:27 When the concluding of today's hearing was being done,

03:31 a question was asked at that time,

03:33 especially regarding the election symbol.

03:37 I will tell you what was asked.

03:39 If you don't get the symbol,

03:43 you will not be harmed.

03:45 You are a member of PTI.

03:49 I am a founding member.

03:51 I am guilty of following the law,

03:53 and do not worry about the consequences.

03:55 We are not saying you are guilty of anything,

03:57 we are just asking a question.

03:59 I will benefit if the party is in my favor.

04:03 Okay, Hassan, today,

04:05 on one point,

04:07 which was the focus of the Chief Justice

04:09 and the other two members,

04:11 that if we want to strengthen democracy in the country,

04:15 then we will have to give space to the parties

04:17 and the democracy in the country.

04:19 You can play on technical issues,

04:21 but eventually, of course,

04:23 a party should have the right

04:25 to elect its own representatives

04:27 and the party should have the right

04:29 to elect its own representatives.

04:31 Keeping today's proceedings in front,

04:33 since you have covered the Supreme Court of Pakistan

04:35 for a long time,

04:37 what is your comment on this?

04:39 How do you see?

04:41 Just like the case of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf

04:43 was closed without preparation,

04:45 just like a person who wakes up

04:47 and goes to court without preparation,

04:49 the same condition of the lawyer

04:51 was the same condition of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf.

04:53 It is such an important case,

04:55 the elections of the party have come to the fore,

04:57 and the uniform symbol of the party

04:59 is such an important issue,

05:01 and the lawyer who is against you,

05:03 who is he? Makhdoom Ali Khan,

05:05 Pakistan's number one lawyer,

05:07 and your preparation is below zero.

05:09 That is, when lawyers will be presented

05:11 with preparations below zero,

05:13 then you will have to face

05:15 the same kind of difficulties there.

05:17 Today, see, the thing was that luckily,

05:19 the whole society was watching the world,

05:21 that is, it was a live broadcast,

05:23 otherwise people are still making

05:25 accusations against the judges,

05:27 that the judge is providing

05:29 facilitation to the Election Commission.

05:31 No, no, no one is making such an accusation.

05:33 Don't take social media too seriously.

05:35 No, no, I will take it seriously.

05:37 There are many types of subscribers there,

05:39 there is no such thing.

05:41 See, when they did not have answers

05:43 to a few basic questions,

05:45 then Mr. Khawar Ghoman,

05:47 you tell me,

05:49 how can you say

05:51 that you have fulfilled

05:53 the rights of your community?

05:55 Now, the uniform symbol is very important,

05:57 that is, it is a bat or any symbol,

05:59 it is a very important thing

06:01 for PTI at this time,

06:03 but adopting this kind of attitude

06:05 on it too,

06:07 you see, the thing is very serious,

06:09 and your candidates have to go

06:11 to the election battle,

06:13 so if they do not get the uniform symbol,

06:15 then they will have to pay the cost,

06:17 and why do they have to pay the cost?

06:19 Because their uniform is not ready.

06:21 Okay, the second thing I will tell you

06:23 is that I was talking about

06:25 a few questions that they asked.

06:27 You see, Mr. Khalifa,

06:29 when he asked a question,

06:31 that means there are many lakh members,

06:33 that is, the registered members of PTI

06:35 are many lakhs, but what they did

06:37 is that their election commission

06:39 should have seven members,

06:41 but only one chief election commissioner,

06:43 who was Mr. Niazullah Niazi,

06:45 he got the elections done,

06:47 and the elections were recorded,

06:49 then he said that we show the videos,

06:51 so he said that you are not a lawyer,

06:53 you are here as the chief election commissioner,

06:55 and if you want to run the videos,

06:57 then you have to go out and show it to someone,

06:59 in the court, the matter will be recorded,

07:01 so it is also true that

07:03 you have to run the court with a record,

07:05 and the court has to be shown with a record,

07:07 Hassan, that is our time,

07:09 the time given by the judge

07:11 is that he should come at 10 in the morning,

07:13 he said that you have ruined

07:15 my preparation,

07:17 because it was the first day,

07:19 which was the most important,

07:21 see, it was the first day,

07:23 which was the most important,

07:25 you should have said it earlier,

07:27 give me three days time,

07:29 I will tell you,

07:31 there was an argument,

07:33 because PTI was not noticed for today,

07:35 today only the election commission

07:37 had gone, so it will go on its own,

07:39 you know, on one occasion,

07:41 when Akbar S. Babar's lawyer went,

07:43 he said that I was not noticed,

07:45 he said that all these PTI people

07:47 have come to us,

07:49 we had not noticed them today,

07:51 so they got the benefit of the doubt,

07:53 they got the time to prepare,

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