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  • 11/22/2023
Nvidia's third-quarter results vouch for the company's dominance in AI accelerator chips.
Despite competition, Nvidia will likely maintain more than 85% share in generative AI accelerators in 2024, says an analyst.
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00:00 But let's go to NVIDIA and just think about this for a second, because this stock is growing
00:05 earnings so quickly that it's actually cheaper on a multiple basis now at an all-time high
00:11 than it was when the stock was $300 a share.
00:15 And that's insane to think about.
00:17 You know, the biggest question is, so you did the calculation, I did the calculation,
00:21 Monty Mitch, on the forward earnings.
00:23 And again, when you're calculating off forward earnings, it's a guess, because we don't have
00:26 the actual earnings.
00:27 We're just going off estimates.
00:29 We're going off projections from the company.
00:31 So we're going off, you know, what we think they can do.
00:35 So Monty Mitch, tell us how you came up with your multiple and what you come up with for
00:39 NVIDIA forward.
00:40 Yeah, so I'm going to put this on the screen too, to make it a little bit easier for everybody
00:44 out there to kind of visualize and see it.
00:46 Right.
00:47 So what I did is I went to the estimates, right, trying to find what the full year estimate
00:52 was for the next 12 months, right.
00:53 And the consensus, right, the kind of the average there.
00:57 So I grabbed this from, and I'll give them a shout out, Seeking Alpha has a nice little
01:02 calculation there.
01:04 So I grabbed a 1713, right.
01:06 And of course you got to get the price that it was, right.
01:09 So I got the price this morning, 504.75.
01:12 It really depends on what price you grab, right, because the price is always changing,
01:17 right.
01:18 So at this point, I mean, this brings the forward PE ratio to 29.46, right.
01:23 The average in technology usually stands between kind of like 20 and 30 times or estimates.
01:30 Of course, we could compare this to Apple, right, that has a forward PE of 28.98.
01:37 So there's your argument, right, Dennis?
01:39 Is this a value stock?
01:40 I mean.
01:41 Yeah.
01:42 And it all depends on those estimates.
01:44 So it depends how it goes.
01:45 So I was looking at the high and the low.
01:47 The low consensus seems to be about 16.
01:50 So if you got 16, it's 32.
01:52 The high estimates are like 24.
01:55 Like there's some analysts out there that are saying you can make $24 next year, Joel.
01:58 If it makes 24, 25, things are going to be like 21.
02:02 Now I kind of, you know, was thinking more in the middle.
02:04 So I was like, I went 19 on my calculation when I said 26 times.
02:08 Tim Seymour was on CNBC Fast Money last night.
02:11 He says that they make 20 just going in the middle, you know, between the 16 and the 24,
02:15 the low estimates on the analyst and the high estimates on the analyst.
02:18 Then it's 25 times.
02:20 But in any regard, 21 times, 25 times, 29 times.
02:23 People who are saying this is trading 100 times earnings don't know what they're talking
02:27 about.
02:28 This is not trading 100 times earnings anymore.
02:30 They're growing earnings.
02:31 If you look at last year's earnings, sure.
02:33 But I mean, they just made over $4 in this quarter.
02:36 So it's trading 100 times almost this quarter.
02:39 So I mean, it's fairly easy to come up.
02:41 That's probably, you know, like it sounds like, you know, AI isn't going away unless
02:45 we have this recession of all recessions last year.
02:48 I'm still calling for a recession.
02:50 I don't think, you know, the earnings are going to just completely fall off a cliff.
02:54 Now, the argument here is there's a lot of pull forward.
02:58 So maybe the pull forward, you know, where everybody is ordering right now to get ahead
03:03 of this AI boom, maybe earnings actually, you know, maybe the growth really slows significantly
03:08 next year.
03:09 Maybe it actually declines because of all the pull forward.
03:12 This is a cyclical business.
03:13 There's a lot of balls to juggle here.
03:15 But you know, there is an argument to be said that they are growing earnings so quickly
03:20 that this is gone from being a nosebleed growth stock into a value stock just because they
03:26 grew the earnings this much.
03:27 I mean, they were making like $4 last year, Mitch.
03:30 Now they're going to make, you know, what are they going to make when they add it all
03:32 up here, like 16 on the year, like 15 on the year?
03:36 Where are they on the, they're almost like nine bucks right now.
03:38 They got another quarter to go.
03:40 So I mean, and the big quarter usually is the last quarter.
03:43 The end of the year.
03:44 Yeah.
03:45 So, you know, Johan, Johan's fan in the chat, you know, and he's taking the other side.
03:49 We're making assumptions here.
03:51 He says, why do we assume these, these earnings will last forever?
03:55 Well, the markets, I mean, you have to, you know, when you're investing, you do it, then
04:00 you have to make, you know, some adjustments, you know, based on the information that you're
04:05 getting here.
04:06 But you know, if we think, if you think AI is a bubble and we're not going to, so if
04:12 you're of the opinion that AI is not changing the world and we're not going to be talking
04:16 about AI in five years, then you sell Nvidia.
04:19 If you're of that opinion, I am not of that opinion.
04:22 I think AI is the internet.
04:24 I think it is going to continue to grow.
04:26 I think Nvidia is going to be the player in AI going to, it is already.
04:30 And I think it remains that I think competition will come, but the thing is, this is going
04:34 to grow so much.
04:35 AI is here right now.
04:37 If it grows to here, it's like Tesla arguing, you know, Tesla, think about how many people
04:41 hated Tesla, you know, when it was, when it was like, literally, you know, we have to
04:46 split twice, you know, go back to like $20 or $30.
04:50 And, you know, and the thing was trading.
04:52 And if we go with these pre splits, like it's all confusing because it's split so many times
04:55 now it's really like $5,000 a share.
04:58 But I can remember when the stock was 120 and there were some analysts out there saying
05:02 this could make $20 a share.
05:03 Well, it ended up doing it and it was a huge value stock back then, you know, and now it's
05:08 now it's went up now and I don't think Nvidia is going to go to that exponential growth
05:11 because Tesla was a much smaller company at that point in time.
05:14 Nvidia is already a large company.
05:16 It's harder for large companies to grow like this.
05:19 But I think there's an argument to be said.
05:20 I don't think the argument is there anymore.
05:23 This is a nosebleed valuation.
05:25 That's what I have.
05:26 Let's bring Apple into the discussion here, Dennis, because, you know, I mean, for a long
05:31 time, you know, Gene Monster came on the show and just said, you know, this thing is just,
05:35 you know, it's just not getting credit.
05:37 It's not trading at a high enough valuation and it caught up.
05:40 So, you know, it make the you know, make the comparison there.
05:45 I mean, Nvidia, I mean, I can remember Apple's growth and everything, but man, this is just
05:51 an Apple had the same problem.
05:53 Apple had a low P.E. forever because it was growing.
05:57 The stock was going up like 50 percent, 60 percent a year.
06:01 But the earnings were growing faster because the iPhone just accelerated so much that the
06:05 actual stock couldn't keep up with the earnings growth.
06:08 You were seeing that in Nvidia.
06:09 The stock cannot keep up with the earnings growth.
06:11 So as the stock price goes higher, the P.E. is going down because the price isn't going
06:15 up as fast as a growing earnings.
06:17 So that E is going up faster than the P, which is bringing down the P.E.
06:21 So I mean, it's a very interesting, interesting, you know, to compare to Apple and back when
06:27 Apple was 2010.
06:28 Now Apple has no growth.
06:30 It's trading basically the same forward multiple as Nvidia with with no growth.
06:35 So I mean, even if you think Nvidia growth is going to slow, I mean, I'd rather have
06:40 Nvidia with some growth as opposed to Apple with no growth.
06:43 So I'm making the argument of Nvidia over Apple.
06:45 Full disclosure, I'm still on Nvidia.
06:47 Yeah, I bought it back at 408 for the same arguments.
06:51 It was it was it was the who was it?
06:56 I mean, the Tory funds, Dan Niles.
06:58 It was Dan Niles on CNBC back in October saying that this thing is trading 26 times forward
07:04 earnings.
07:05 This was when the stock was 410.
07:07 It's still trading 26 times.
07:08 But, you know, it's obviously the prices went up a lot, but the earnings have went up even
07:12 more.
07:13 So he was arguing that Nvidia is a no brainer down here.
07:16 And I'm like, I listen to Dan Niles, a guy, a smart man.
07:19 And I said it on the show back in October.
07:21 I talked about Nvidia talking about them leading.
07:24 So I didn't just start talking about this today.
07:26 If you go back to the October shows, I talked about Nvidia multiple times saying I kind
07:30 of want to buy this stock.
07:31 Remember me saying I kind of want to buy it.
07:33 We did a discussion.
07:34 And then I did buy it.
07:36 What's going to lead?
07:37 You know, what is going to lead the you know, if we have the next bull market and that you
07:43 were talking it and you said and I think it was really close to that day that when you
07:48 bought it, the price action.
07:51 Let's just talk about the price action real quick.
07:55 It was I mean, you could it started to go up and I'm looking like, OK, why is it this
07:59 thing five, 10 bit?
08:00 You know that that I was thinking and then they slammed it.
08:04 And it's kind of hard because it's this gray line right here.
08:08 If you were a straddle now, the straddle was 36 and it closed right around 400.
08:14 So it didn't get to that straddle price.
08:16 It only got to 468.
08:19 And then, you know, it just then they rebounded here.
08:22 And now it's like it's like it didn't even report.
08:25 It's up 58 cents.
08:26 We did make a new high this morning at five or seven.
08:31 I just think you had, you know, some sellers out there, people that played the big run.
08:36 Just I think offers were stacked.
08:38 But I mean, it's holding a bid here at 500.
08:41 We'll see what the all time high in the regular session was made yesterday at five or five
08:46 forty eight.
08:47 So we'll keep an eye on that.
08:49 And then the all time closing high that was made on the 20th at five or four or nine.
08:54 But if this thing gets over the next couple of days, if this thing gets a 500 bid, then
08:59 you just got to get the hell out of the way.
09:01 It's a big day for it.
09:03 If you're a day trader, I don't know if it's going back to 480.
09:06 I don't know if it's I mean, we got the long.
09:07 I don't have it on for a trade.
09:09 I can't call the path, you know, perfectly here.
09:13 But I think two years from now, Nvidia stock is a lot higher.
09:17 I think two years from now, NVIDIA's stock is a lot higher, and that's why I'm long it.
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