In this week's free edition of Still Poddable, the guys react to a crazy finish as the Celtics pulled out their 6th straight win in dramatic fashion. Topics include a rough night for the stars, a wild decision by Jrue Holiday, some interesting rotation choices by Joe Mazzulla and much more. To get daily editions of Still Poddable ad-free Monday-Friday in your podcast app of choice, you can sign up at www.Patreon.com/stillpoddable
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00:33 We release every single Monday, and we are coming to you after what was I think the ugliest Celtics game of the season?
00:41 One in which they probably had no business winning one in which had one of the crazier endings
00:46 I've seen in a recent basketball game
00:49 Jay you were live there in Memphis
00:53 What the hell happened out there?
00:56 Madness madness the last sequence was just total insanity
01:00 The Celtics have the ball with like a one-second differential between the shot clock in the game clock
01:07 And for some reason decide to go for a dunk I
01:11 Don't know why you say the Celtics you say the Celtics like there's a collective team decision. No this was drew holiday
01:18 There were two people it was Jason Tatum who threw the ball to drew holiday
01:21 He must have known that drew holiday was going to try to put that in bucket and then drew holiday goes up for a dunk
01:29 with Jaron Jackson
01:31 the defensive player of the year
01:33 Kind of a wild decision but
01:39 And then at the other end
01:43 Sanseo Dama gets a very good look his 15th three-point attempt of the night, which is kind of wild and
01:51 He misses
01:53 Zaire Williams gets gets the rebound Chris das Porzingis blocks him and then
01:58 Reacts in such a way that he said he thought he should have probably apologized
02:03 That was insulted that he tried a buzzer a beating shot or a game time shot
02:07 That's the way Chris has reacted like he was mad that he dared try to shoot that over him. No, I
02:12 From what Chris?
02:14 I've said my take was that he said something about how he got fouled on the play and
02:19 Chris taps like man that was clean in his head. He was thinking man. That was clean
02:23 I got fouled a bunch of times. They call some borderline fouls on me. Why are you complaining and
02:29 So he said something to Zaire Williams and looked at him all
02:34 Angry, it was good good times, but the rest of the game not such good times. It was ugly
02:40 Rob I mean the Celtics
02:44 Lost the turnover battle by five lost the offensive rebound battle by five
02:49 Lost the kind of three-point attempts by five
02:53 This is not a game in which the math was working for them and they somehow managed to pull it out
03:00 What what was your reaction to this kind of I would say nonsense basketball game
03:05 yeah, it was a
03:07 It was just a wild game from because we haven't seen like a helter-skelter game like this thing all year long from this team
03:14 And it was no more than to me just you know over the course of the game and the in postgame like Joe Mazula
03:20 In his postgame press conference to you guys on there and most days like saying like yeah, we were like out work
03:25 You know effort wasn't there as much as we'd wanted and he was kind of for him
03:29 That was pretty much as you know blunt as I'll get about his players on that front
03:34 I think and then on top of that he straight-up pulled Tatum and Jalen Brown from the game
03:40 With seven minutes left in the third quarter together and set him out seven straight minutes together with Drew holiday there
03:45 Which I think I don't like has he ever done that before guys in a close game
03:48 I feel like an official benching was that like I don't like it over to start the third quarter
03:54 I don't know. So he basically said his explanation on it was that
03:58 They weren't playing very well. He wanted
04:01 He's wanted to try to get a different identity going
04:08 And it was the first leg of a back-to-back. So he wanted to limit their minutes, too
04:11 So, I don't know if it was a pure benching or just like these guys aren't playing that
04:16 Well, we're better off not playing them 40 minutes. No matter what. Let's just try something else. See what happens
04:22 He kind of threw some darts. He threw the Mars Stevens in there. He threw Nemeus Kedah in there. It was
04:28 kind of a
04:31 Weird rotation game for the Celtics not there their usual gang. It was Kedah's first minutes for Boston
04:38 Lamar hasn't been in the rotation really at all. So I
04:43 Don't think Missoula was happy with the team though if he'd been happy
04:47 He probably would have kept those guys in or put them back in quicker
04:51 It was he was not thrilled with the execution and especially I think he was mad that they forced some things at the rim
05:01 They only took 31 three-pointers, which is super low for them and the Grizzlies have been allowing a ton of three-pointers
05:09 so that was kind of a
05:11 Sign of just how poorly the Celtics attacked that defense at times
05:16 It felt like the Grizzlies were doing or taking more of a concerted effort to try and close out on threes
05:22 But you still think with the starting lineup the Grizzlies ran out there with like seemingly four centers
05:28 That the Celtics would be able to kind of get the shots that they wanted
05:32 But they really dominated points in the paint, especially early on in this game
05:36 I think in the first quarter they had 18 of their 26
05:40 points for points in the paint than 33 points in the paint at halftime, but the the disparity in threes is just kind of wild where
05:48 the Celtics shot 31 threes, so basically
05:53 Santi Aldama took behalf as much as the Celtics took for the entire game
05:57 Grizzly shot 44 and the Grizzly shot 95 shots in this game and only scored a hundred points
06:03 I don't think the Celtics defense was amazing. There's certainly plenty of opportunities for Aldama to take that many open shots
06:10 Desmond Bain
06:12 scored 30 points and it felt like he was really getting a lot of space especially kind of attacking the Celtics and pick-and-roll when I
06:19 Thought when Chris taps was in the game
06:21 but luckily for the Celtics the Grizzlies don't have many other guys who can put the biscuit in the basket, uh, because
06:28 other than Aldama Jackson and Bain no one really else on the Grizzlies scored any points and
06:34 I guess be Rob. What'd you think of their defensive effort?
06:38 And why was it I
06:42 Don't want to say poor because they did hold the Grizzlies to like I said a hundred points on 95 shots
06:48 Like that seems a pretty a while just thirty eight point nine percent shooting
06:51 Like this so it's like relatively good statistics efficiently
06:55 But didn't feel like there was like a high intensity effort there and it did feel like Bain could
06:59 Could generate a lot of looks when he wanted to
07:01 Yeah, I mean he definitely had his way for much the night no matter who was carrying him
07:06 I think the off like the Grizz crushed the Celtics a lot in the offensive glass
07:11 Tonight and I think honestly when they did score a lot of the time like it came off a bad Celtics offense
07:18 where
07:19 you'd be one on three or just you know, a poor rim read or just a poor passing decision and
07:24 That was the stuff that got us into trouble. I think by and large they played pretty well in the half court
07:30 When they were engaged
07:32 But when they were beaten transition or just like, you know gave up easy runouts. That's where they ran into trouble there
07:39 so
07:40 It's it's a situation where I think when you look after this game
07:43 What like where the issues were in this game in terms of the lackluster?
07:47 Performance from a Celtic standard this year. I think it's you look at the offensive end more so than you know
07:52 What was going on defensively there?
07:54 Tatum didn't take a three until
07:57 The second half. Yeah, it only took one the whole game. That was just
08:03 It was a pretty big one too, yeah
08:08 and
08:10 Then I thought poor Zingas was just really helpful to have him against switches is just such a nice
08:17 Luxury for the Celtics to have it's so different than it was last year when they could really stagnate against switching and not that their offense
08:24 Was good tonight, but I thought he saved them from even worse offense. There was one play
08:28 Desmond Bain was on him and he just like took his time
08:33 bodied up and shot over the top of Desmond Baines head just didn't even try to do anything else just like
08:40 Got strong
08:41 Created not even really any space just decided I'm a foot taller than this dude this really muscular, dude
08:48 Let me just shoot it over his head and did it
08:51 I feel like they got away from him in the second half though
08:54 Like he did a lot of his damage in the first quarter
08:56 and then I thought the team's offense just was not that efficient and it felt like
09:02 especially with
09:04 They're running Kenny Lofton jr. Out there. They're like
09:09 Aldama was playing center at times. You dare be smirched Kenneth Lofton. I did not besmirch him at all
09:15 Running Kenny Lofton out there. He's
09:19 Chris taps for zing is is he not is he is he not everyone is shorter than Chris Taft?
09:24 Oh, so maybe they should use Chris taps for zing is in the second half and use that size advantage something. I don't think they did
09:30 especially when Biambo and
09:35 Jaron Jackson jr. Word and foul trouble. I don't think they like kind of went to Chris taps as well as they did
09:40 Kind of late in that game against the Raptors
09:43 It just didn't feel like it felt like there was something that was a point of emphasis for them early and Chris taps at a huge
09:49 First quarter, I think 16 of his 26 points were in that first half
09:52 I don't think they went to him as well or as efficiently in that second half where he scored
09:58 10 points but six of those points were from deep like going to the Chris taps on the inside
10:03 It didn't seem like it was something they really did
10:05 with ease in the second half
10:07 He had a lot of blocks
10:10 Yeah, that's the other end of the court J but thank you
10:14 And I mean that was one of the reasons they were able to hold the Grizzlies to 38.9% shooting is Chris stops
10:22 Just erased a lot of opportunities. We talked about the Celtics rim reads, but I thought Memphis's were pretty bad, too
10:29 That's a super depleted Memphis team. They're down
10:33 So nice good players, yeah, like eight guys eight guys, baby. Yeah, like five of their seven best players
10:43 including John Moran Marcus smart Stephen Adams
10:47 Brandon Clark
10:49 Leonard Luke and are that is just a team that that is just bare-bones right now and they were playing on the second leg of
10:55 a back-to-back so to be out hustled by that team is
10:59 Pretty disappointing and I think that's one of the reasons why Joe Mazzola
11:02 Was a lot more upset about
11:05 tonight's win than he was
11:08 About the win against the Raptors against the Raptors. He thought
11:12 You know, they didn't have their best game execution wise, but they were playing hard. They executed down the stretch
11:19 Tonight I felt like he thought there weren't many redeeming qualities to this win at all. And
11:26 Except for the win part the win part was pretty routine. Yeah, but I don't think he's really concerned with with that
11:33 I mean, obviously he you'd rather come away with a win and move to 11 and 2 and have the NBA's best record and all
11:38 That they're on a six-game winning streak. So to be a
11:42 Little negative about their play right now. It just goes to show how high they can get to
11:47 when when they're at their best, but the last two games they really haven't played well and
11:52 I just thought like they almost gave that game away at the end and it just was a sign of the lack of discipline
11:59 They had throughout the night
12:01 How can you as drew holiday?
12:03 decide to go for a dunk and
12:06 not
12:08 Absolutely have a hundred percent certainty that you're going to make the dunk as soon as you see Jared Jackson come over
12:15 You have to decide. All right, let me dribble this thing out. I'm gonna go get foul
12:21 Holidays most famous play as Milwaukee book
12:24 the alley-oop to Janice in the exact same situation where he should have dribbled it out and
12:30 Because he has moments of insanity from time to time
12:34 It was it was an homage to Marcus smart sitting on the bench where he took a crazy three
12:40 Out of nowhere knocked it down took another crazy three. He did not make it. I think he missed the layup
12:46 Got some great offensive rebound to get like he did all the kind of crazy Marcus smart things
12:51 But that at what decision at the end had to have been the craziest
12:54 Jump with Zula, it's a new thing for Joe to sort of throw guys under the bus
13:01 And not that he really threw drew under the bus
13:05 But he did say if you're going to take that you have to make it and if you aren't gonna make it you just have
13:11 To get fouled and make the free throws and move on
13:14 So he was he was mad about that decision
13:17 What'd you think about the Tatum shot before that because I really liked the possession
13:23 I think I guess one before that was a post and
13:26 He turned to the corner and they sent multiple guys and he found Chris tabs for the dunk and it felt like they went back
13:31 to that again
13:32 but then
13:33 Tatum kind of took that fade away and it just like
13:36 It didn't seem like the most of like it kind of felt like late in the shot clock
13:39 It took him a while to get to it
13:40 I actually think drew was kind of trying to screen for him and Tatum was telling him to get away
13:44 Um, but I wasn't the biggest fan of that is like kind of late offense
13:48 But it made sense just because it worked so well on the possession before yeah
13:53 I just don't know why I think Desmond Bain was guarding him on that play and Bain is like obviously
14:00 several inches shorter than Jason Tatum and
14:03 Has some doesn't have the longest wingspan in the league negative wingspan
14:08 So what but I feel like there are just other
14:11 Areas you can attack and just be smarter about trying to get a better shot in that situation
14:16 So I didn't love that. He faded away. He didn't give himself a chance to get fouled
14:22 Didn't give himself a chance to draw help and find somebody open. I just thought
14:28 That it wasn't the worst shot in the world, but he could have gotten a better one
14:34 be Rob, what'd you think of
14:37 Jason Tatum having four offensive fouls and a total of eight turnovers in this game
14:42 Just the fouls in general is a very disjointed basketball game where it seemed like there is no rhythm no flow
14:51 Everybody was mad
14:52 Seriously, like I don't think I've seen like both sides
14:56 Like the amount of offensive fouls
14:58 Across the whole team for this game. There's like eight offensive fouls on the Celtics period
15:04 But yeah, there there is no rhythm no flow
15:08 Except for yeah, except for Sam Hauser just bearing threes left and right throughout the first half but everything else was clunky
15:15 Even guys like Derek White. I feel like we're making poor decisions that were we not he made multiple bad decisions at the rim
15:22 He decided to go up with things on multiple fast breaks
15:25 It was just like it's I'm calling Derek White's number and it resulted in I think multiple jump balls or blocks
15:31 It was not a good Derek White game
15:34 it really wasn't and
15:36 That's it's just such a rarity this year that all
15:39 This kind of lined up like this where almost everyone outside of a Hauser and Porzingis had a rough game offensively
15:46 And it still was enough. You know, this is a game. I feel like last year they probably lose
15:51 In terms of getting away from them
15:53 They had I mean they were lucky or things using such a depleted Memphis team and even with you know
15:59 Bain and having a great night that it's still they'd have enough left to get over the hump offensively and take advantage of their
16:05 opportunities, but
16:07 Yeah, this was getting into some old habits
16:10 and I think we saw like a lot of this in the second half of last year when they were just you know,
16:14 Kind of going through the motions at times and it led them into into trouble. Yeah, I mean they've won six straight
16:21 But you do want to see them stop this stretch where they're not playing their best basketball and come out of it and
16:29 They really didn't play well against Toronto, I mean they executed down the stretch of that game but
16:35 First quarter they gave up a ton of layups third quarter
16:39 Pascal Siakam just totally mutilated them and
16:43 They were able to execute the their way out of it against Memphis like that's a totally depleted team with
16:52 Basically, no offensive options. Well, let's talk about Santi Aldama like that
16:58 If he hits that shot, we're talking about this as the Santee Aldama game like he
17:02 started essentially three big men with Aldama Jaron Jackson and
17:08 Yambo and
17:12 That's a group that the Celtics should just run off the court. They should get forced turnover after turnover
17:19 They only forced 11 turnovers against the team that
17:22 didn't have a point guard on the floor at all except Jacob Gilead played 15 minutes and he's
17:29 Mean you mean the NCAA leader and that's steel all-time steals Jacob Gilead. He had a crazy steal on Tatum
17:37 He did in the corner there. That was nuts
17:40 Tatum had eight turnovers
17:42 Yeah, four of them were charges. One of them was a charge. Those are offensive Val called on a pass which
17:48 Legitimately, I think it definitely was a foul like he launched into
17:52 The defender and then realized it he didn't get draw the foul and then through a pass but yeah, it was a bad Tatum game
17:59 That's two in a row for him in Toronto. He was just
18:03 Like not at all himself. I thought he was actually a little bit better today despite the turnovers
18:11 I didn't think it was like a total zero game from him
18:14 But only 13 field goal attempts and Memphis was kind of playing him to be that way
18:20 We can't
18:21 like fought the Celtics for not
18:24 Passing from the rim and then be like, but Tatum should have shot more than 13 times
18:29 It's like you can't have it both ways
18:31 and
18:33 There was one play especially at Marcus Marty was funny on the sideline
18:37 He was kind of yelling at the Grizzlies for the way they defended but Tatum got to the rim
18:42 I think Jaron Jackson helped out and Tatum threw it to Brown on the the wing and Brown just missed it
18:47 so I thought Tatum could have had a number of more assists than he did but
18:51 It's still I mean, that's that's two games in a row where he hasn't been able to
18:57 Totally leave his imprint on the game. It was just a just a really bad effort Jalen did play though
19:04 Which is which was good after?
19:07 The the in-season tournament court got the best of him in Toronto
19:13 Were you guys surprised that he played would you guys have preferred that he sat some time after
19:20 dealing with some discomfort
19:23 Yeah, I'm pretty shocked. I mean such a the back-to-back coming up. I guess Charlotte I mean he could
19:29 Rest tomorrow night regardless. So I guess we'll see how that plays out. But given how
19:34 Much he kind of played it up after the game
19:37 Obviously, it's guys he great news for him that he was fine and good to go
19:42 but given the opponent and
19:44 The schedule I am surprised that they didn't play cautiously, but that's listen Jalen likes to play when he's ready and that's
19:51 He's clearly good to go. Yeah, he was he was upset about the court. It didn't like I
19:56 Don't know. I haven't inspected the man's groin. I don't know what's going on there
20:02 I imagine if he's good to go he's ready to go but I'd also wouldn't be shocked to see
20:08 Him rest against the Hornets. I think it's tough for them to be on a back-to-back but you know
20:13 Nice for them to be going up against the Charlotte Hornets who?
20:16 Presumably will be one of the worst teams in the league this year
20:19 Jalen seemed kind of frustrated tonight where I thought he got fouled on multiple times got a tech
20:25 From just arguing. It seemed like the the whole third quarter just was
20:32 Bad from everyone's perspective and no one was able to really get in a rhythm there
20:38 But I don't know no one really other than Hauser I don't think no one had a great performance here for the Celtics
20:44 We did see Kedah, it's the first time a kid a five minutes of Kedah J
20:50 Was he has lumbering in person as he was on television. I
20:54 Don't know if lumbering is the right word, but I would say that he didn't seem good
21:05 Yeah, we're not saying for his chance you could you could use that word no in in
21:10 The preseason he seems sure of himself. He seemed confident tonight and there was one play and in Memphis
21:18 we're like it's one of the few places where we still sit courtside and
21:23 Oh, yeah, I saw you in Himmelsbach on the old broadcast there. That's that's beautiful thing
21:29 but one of the
21:31 The cool things that you can pick up on a little more of the game than you usually do
21:36 and so there was one play when Joe was calling a play from the sideline and
21:41 everyone else just kind of like
21:43 Understood what what to do?
21:45 Kedah was just looking at him like running running down the whole court just looking at him and I think he was kind of like
21:51 I'm not sure what's going on right now. I don't know what play I'm supposed to be running. And so I
21:59 it felt like it was just some first-game jitters for a Kedah and
22:03 And he wasn't as as sure of himself as he probably will be in the future
22:09 But I mean it was an opportunity for him and he did not seize it
22:13 But but he'll get more opportunities. I think this season it was a
22:18 It was interesting though that they went with Kedah instead of Cornette
22:24 Do you think they're saving Cornette for tomorrow against Charlotte knowing Horford's not gonna play likely
22:29 Do you need to save Luke Cornette?
22:32 Do you need to give the five minutes to Kedah that could have been Luke Cornette's?
22:37 I don't think simple no would have suffice Jay have probably
22:40 Entered their minds
22:43 I'll be interested to see and I don't think corporate will play because he hasn't played in back-to-backs
22:48 But he only played 22 minutes if ever there were a time to play him on the second leg of a back-to-back
22:54 It would probably be after a light minutes load like that
22:57 Even though it's Charlotte and they don't necessarily need all of their big dogs
23:02 In that one, although maybe they do they almost lost to the Grizzlies with basically nobody
23:08 Yeah, I mean the way the Hornets get up and down I would think that
23:12 You know
23:13 You don't put out through that in the second half of back-to-back
23:15 We're like he's the minutes load have been so low for him this year that you you do start to think about in these games
23:20 Where they do have back to back. It's like, okay
23:22 What number do you keep them down to on the first night?
23:24 Do you feel good about playing him on that second night?
23:26 And that's that's a decision a broker really have last year because I needed to play 30 minutes in all those games and they were
23:31 Kind of playing in crazy numbers
23:32 minutes wise all night, but
23:34 Obviously tonight less so and then I feel like this year too with like a kid like Lamar Stevens
23:39 I feel like
23:40 Joe's also just throwing darts more this year and I kind of like that part of it like I'd like a night like this where
23:46 Nothing's going on like nothing seemed to be working the starters or seem like they're in the mud. It's like, all right
23:51 Yeah, let's let's try Lamar Stevens here. Let's try worth quarter Lamar Stevens
23:54 Yeah, they're at 40 that way
23:55 It's just like and then he proceeded to like I feel like mess up a transition defense sequence of holiday and left
24:01 You know a guy why open to go to the rim?
24:03 So he didn't necessarily help himself either but they got these guys in the bench - you know
24:07 Maybe we'll see Oh shape reset tomorrow night. I feel like yeah, what happened to a shape reset?
24:12 Is he's just falling out of favor entirely. I feel like we haven't seen him in two weeks now. He played
24:18 The game before the Raptors game who did they play there?
24:21 The first game of the road trip
24:24 Philadelphia, yeah, and he played okay
24:26 He didn't shoot the ball. Well, he air mailed one from the corner
24:31 but it's it's a thing where
24:34 Like I don't think
24:36 Beyond Hauser Horford and Pritchard. They just don't really know what to do
24:41 And I think Cornette will probably be the answer at the next center spot most of the time
24:47 but between Stevens Banton
24:49 Brissett
24:51 Mahaluk, there's just no separation and they just are going to use one or the other
24:57 And I don't know if there's a rhyme or reason to it will be a rhyme or reason to it. It's just like
25:03 Whoever's night it is
25:05 Yeah, I wonder that how much they're gonna
25:07 you know as we get into trade season a couple months there if they like are gonna be if one of those guys will emerge and
25:15 like kind of take a spot consistently as that ninth or tenth guy nights like this or if they're gonna
25:21 Be kind of scouring the market for a guy like that
25:24 Whether it's trade or about or whatever down the line to give them that you know better consistency because like I said, there's just
25:29 you don't know what you're getting out of those guys right now, and that's and that's fine most nights, but
25:34 Ideally to take the minutes on us off you want at least some of the little more you can trust in those spots
25:42 Jay this was supposed to be the the grand Marcus smart reunion game. He's obviously
25:46 Did not play he has an ankle injury. He's gonna be out for three to five weeks, but I
25:51 Assuming you got to talk to no pregame. You did not at all. No, he was not in the locker room pregame
25:59 PR informed us that he Grizzlies PR informed us that he was not going to be available after the game
26:05 So do you not come Marcus smart going to Memphis? I
26:11 Don't feel dumb for going to Memphis. This is my job
26:14 So I was here in Memphis one thing that I did learn and it's in my story on the athletic
26:24 Tonight that I don't know if it's published right now, but will be soon
26:28 Marcus smart considers himself the best Jenga player ever and
26:33 Derek white was telling me about an incredible Jenga sequence
26:40 where they were down to like basically
26:43 the end where things start to get real dicey where the
26:47 The tower starts to get real wobbly and there was a piece that was just stuck and he said it was him and Malcolm Brogdon
26:55 I don't know who else was playing
26:57 But they were everyone was hesitant like no one wanted to touch the block. No one wanted to pull it
27:03 No one wanted to twist it because they thought that whole thing was going down
27:06 and he said Marcus smart walked over and just smacked it and
27:10 Just smacked the one piece and the one piece fell out the rest of the tower stood and Derek white was like, oh my god
27:17 That was incredible
27:20 And so it sounds like a stupid story
27:23 But white said that Marcus thought he was at best at everything and he actually in that white actually
27:29 Took some of that mindset from him and that it can be really helpful at times
27:35 Rational confidence is very important. I think that's one of the things that Marcus smart brought to the table
27:40 Just his willingness to try things and sometimes it doesn't work
27:44 Sometimes I think drew holiday has a similar kind of mindset. We talked about tonight. Yeah
27:50 one thing I forgot to mention though, it was like the
27:53 He threw probably the hardest pass as a role man to Chris taps for Zingas just like whipped one at him
28:00 Shocking more Zingas like threw his left hand up there. Yeah
28:04 Yeah, and it's happening just true holiday in a true homage to Marcus smart was completely freelancing out there
28:10 But I do love the idea that Marcus smart is I believe it is the best Jenga player in the world
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29:23 Where normally I come with the useless observations
29:27 I've been trying to encourage serious journalists Brian B
29:30 Rob Rob and J El Nino King to come up with their own useless observations. We call it junk
29:36 the first thing I am going to say is that there's way too many challenges and
29:42 Burning your challenge with eight minutes left in the game is stupid
29:46 And I just don't think you should be able to use a challenge in the first half doesn't make any sense. It's dumb
29:52 Yeah, that was probably one of the where I mean
29:54 As far as degree of like one of the worst challenges I've seen by this by the Celtics to do it
30:00 Especially when it ended up being a close game to use they must have really thought they obviously had that play to make that challenge
30:06 That early but when you lose it
30:09 Four minutes into the game on just not even a point type decision just on an out-of-bounds type stuff
30:15 That was that was pretty wild and luckily they obviously didn't need it late
30:18 No play in the first half of any basketball game is important enough that it needs to be challenged
30:23 One of the beauties of basketball is there's a game of runs things will come back
30:27 The game does not need to be slow stopped and slowed down and reviewed at any point
30:32 I would even say in the first three quarters. I would say in the first
30:35 43 minutes of the game. I don't think challenges should exist until the final five minutes of the game until it's officially clutch time
30:41 There was a heckler in Memphis yelling at Joe Mizzou La for the challenge
30:48 And then when the Grizzlies challenged the heckler stood up and shouted at him. That's how you should use a challenge
30:55 That's good stuff Joe had no response nor did he probably even notice I
31:03 Like I like that kind of insight you can provide us when you sit so close
31:08 Drew Carter said this on the broadcast, but the players can call the two to one press whenever they want. That was news to me
31:16 Yeah, they Joe gives them a lot of freedom Joe gives the players a lot of freedom to basically
31:22 Change things on the fly adjust on the fly
31:25 He's turned through holiday and drew holiday has said it's like the first time in his career
31:30 he's ever had as much responsibility basically as a
31:33 signal caller of sorts for the defense
31:36 and
31:39 And he just kind of constantly communicates with Joe what they can do what the options are
31:44 And so that that's always been Joe's philosophy is like empower the players as much as possible
31:50 He thinks that if he does that they'll be
31:53 more invested in
31:55 The success just because they're the ones choosing if you're the one choosing the defensive strategy
32:01 Like it better work and you better do it, right?
32:04 And if you don't then it's on you and entirely on you
32:07 So I think that's just one of the ways that that Joe's a little different from some coaches
32:13 Like he's very into giving the players
32:16 Some control over what goes on
32:18 I'm gonna say I'm a huge respecter of Santiago Damas just willingness to throw ridiculous passes even
32:26 Had number of behind-the-back passes that worked
32:29 Earlier in the game was slinging some dimes and then even tried to do it in a tie game late. So
32:35 shouts to Santiago Dama
32:38 Attractive gentleman playing good basketball
32:41 He's a fun player. He's like he's like one of those like inflatable balloons
32:46 People that just like like all arms and legs just floating out there shooting threes
32:53 Throwing dimes. He's got a lot of skill for someone that's all I
32:57 Did not expect the inflatable balloon comparison, but it seems I didn't either that just
33:02 I've never thought of that when watching Santiago Dama play basketball
33:07 Okay. Now is where I did besmirch Kenny Lofton jr. And say that him dunking is fun because he's fat
33:14 Like that's just a good old-fashioned fun to watch the body shame
33:18 I thought he looked nice and trim tonight compared to
33:22 Earlier. Yes. No, no. Yeah, and the dunks were more fun because of his girth. I
33:28 Can't disagree I
33:33 Love Kenny Lofton man that dude has a lot of game
33:36 I don't know if he'll ever become a legitimate NBA player
33:40 But he has a lot of game and I think if he touched the ball a lot he would score and put up buckets
33:45 Against any competition in the world
33:48 He might not help his team
33:50 but and he'd be giving up points at the other end for sure, but
33:54 Do you think he'll have a more significant moment in the NBA?
34:00 Than his like previous moments playing when binyama and dominating him in international basketball
34:06 It's gonna be hard to top
34:08 dominating women Yama
34:10 especially like women Yama's going to the Hall of Fame and
34:13 Kenny Lofton is I don't know wrapping up like a six or seven year career that doesn't really amount to much
34:22 He's gonna look back at that time be like, yeah, you know what that dude could never handle me
34:29 He's forever, but he could never handle me. So you think after six or seven years Victor women Yama will be entering the Hall of Fame
34:36 The timeline doesn't make sense Jay the timeline was a little off. All right
34:41 Well, maybe one of when Kenny Lofton is looking back at his six or seven year. That's that's better framing
34:47 There are some people in the front row wearing paper hats and they look like hot dog salesmen
34:51 There's nothing don't respond to that just an observation I had
34:55 There was also an Amazon ad of these old ladies who were
34:59 By a bunch of sleds and then go down the hill like sled down the hill
35:04 And it's just dangerous those old ladies are gonna break a hip
35:08 They're not it makes no sense for those old ladies to try and live out yesteryear
35:13 By sledding down a hill when they're 95 years old. They're brittle bones. It's just a nonsense ad
35:19 It makes me want to use that product less
35:21 Um
35:25 That's very uh, there was a portion of the gamers is the total a dunk fest we had the nice
35:31 Jalen Brown and Kirstaps Porzingis. Apparently they're great friends. They're becoming best friends, but they'd really have developed the chemistry on the court and
35:41 They've kind of adopted like realized that Chris taps Porzingis is huge and will throw him outrageous lobs
35:47 And so there's a fun stretch where he caught that lob from Jalen Brown and then Jason Tatum dunked right on Bismarck Biambo
35:55 That was a crazy dunk I was not expecting that that dunk I didn't think he was gonna go up for that
35:59 And he did it rocked out loud
36:03 Um
36:06 That's all I got for my
36:08 Observations once the game got close in the end my kind of penchant for nonsense
36:12 Diminished other than Drew Carter has turned into a solid homer after like five or six games
36:19 complaining about foul calls complaining about the other two like
36:23 Triple J complaining about his foul calls. He knows he knows what broadcast he's on. I think he's doing a solid job
36:29 You know filling in in that Tommy Heinsohn traditional homer role. So he was playing through
36:36 Difficulties tonight - oh you could hear it on the broadcast. I
36:40 Was just saying no the the I'm not sure there were any power
36:45 outlets available
36:48 And his phone was running out of juice and I think he's got notes on his phone
36:52 And he had to rush and plug it into his computer
36:56 So he was multitasking to bring the people the stats and the facts tonight, and I hope people appreciate that
37:02 He was playing through the elements. I like that inside information Jay any other observations from down there in Memphis
37:09 my the highlight of my
37:12 road trip so far
37:15 Was talking to Peyton Pritchard about being called a
37:18 There was no better question and he responded in exactly the way that I thought he would respond
37:31 Because most players if you ask them about like a joke Drake made about them, they'd be like, yeah
37:38 That was super funny. Like I really thought that was hilarious
37:42 While that Drake knows who I am and is shouting me out on a broadcast Richard was kind of like
37:46 I don't know what a crypto scammer is man. What do you think a crypto scammer is man?
37:50 He's not just means I'm an average-looking white guy, I think
37:53 And he wasn't mad about it it was just like but he has a chip on his shoulder
38:01 He has an edge and that wasn't gonna change just because Drake called him a crypto scammer
38:06 And he's a fan of Drake's he didn't want to cause any beef
38:10 But also he was kind of like I don't know what crypto scammer means man probably just means I'm a white guy
38:16 See, that's where he's wrong. He does look like a crypto scammer and it's not just because he's an average-looking white guy
38:22 I think it's cuz of the haircut and he kind of looks like spike from Toy Story
38:26 But I would agree with Drake's assessment that he does look like a crypto scammer. I
38:31 Have no response
38:38 I'm with Peyton Pritchard. We are three
38:40 Guys, we are three average-looking white guys and none of us look like crypto scammers only Peyton Pritchard does
38:46 Do with that what you will that was probably my second favorite question. I've ever asked which was do you think do you think you?
38:53 The first one was to market smart are you about that life after Jimmy Butler said he was not so
39:03 Did you lead off the interview fat J to Peyton or was there a warm-up or did you guys just go right to cut to the chase?
39:09 Himmelsbach and I were talking yesterday
39:12 We were like we kind of want to know
39:15 And so at shoot around we both kind of looked at each other and we're like it's time
39:23 but let's go chat with Pritchard about the crypto scammer and
39:29 Highlight of my trip I didn't write about it. I didn't even tweet about it, but it was a fantastic moment
39:34 Yeah, I just needed to know the exclusive on that. You just let that you had a personal moment for yourself
39:40 But you let him it was all it was only about the experience that that's all I did
39:44 It was not about the work. I just needed to know personally
39:48 What Peyton Pritchard thought about getting?
39:51 crypto scammer on an NBA broadcast
39:55 Is Memphis just going for more junk here for you being in front you think Memphis is the best seat in the league right now
40:01 For media like you get in most of that's I feel like what's like only a few spots left
40:05 You actually get like that close to the court
40:08 Yeah, I don't know how many spots like it used to be the Spurs had it it used to be the Thunder had it
40:15 I don't know. I don't know
40:17 Dallas I believe still does Orlando lets you sit baseline course
40:21 Lakers are baseline
40:25 Clippers I believe our baseline as well. Yeah
40:28 But it's one of the few places in the league where you can sit
40:34 close enough to the bench where you can hear some of the things that
40:38 Joe, Missoula is saying and
40:40 To me like that just adds to the
40:44 the experience it adds to the details when they
40:47 Got beat to two offensive rebounds in a row in
40:52 That one stretch. I think it was in the third quarter
40:55 Missoula called timeout and just was fuming
41:00 He said something like I if I remember it correctly it was we just got beat to two motherfucking loose balls
41:08 and so
41:11 stuff like that you don't get otherwise and
41:13 And it just adds color to the experience it adds to
41:18 Kind of what you're able to understand I guess
41:22 Here's a random question. I was talking with Corrales and so we cheat with last home game if I won the lottery
41:29 with the Celtics let me buy season tickets at the the
41:34 Seat directly next to basically where Jason Tatum sits on the bench and just live tweet the whole game
41:40 Do you think they would allow me to do that if I had the money?
41:42 I'm sure there's a number on it
41:47 Because I would buy like there's nothing to stop me from tweeting out everything every piece of shit talking the players say
41:53 Everything Joe Missoula says I don't think I would you know out of loyalty to the team
41:57 But like if I had all the money in the world
41:59 I want to be right there and so I could be as close as the game as possible. You probably wouldn't hear like
42:05 Too much stuff like it'd be it'd be a great experience. You'd be able to hear some trash talk
42:11 You'd be able to hear some strategic talk
42:13 but I don't think it would be like
42:17 Something where the Celtics would get mad at you about sharing a lot of the stuff. I just
42:21 There probably aren't as many moments as you think where like guys just crossed the line. I
42:26 Guess there's only one way to find out I need to become exceedingly wealthy. Yeah, it's time for you to become a rich rich lawyer
42:34 Not the type of law I want to get into but I could sell out and pivot who knows who knows if I get a
42:41 job or not
42:42 Be Rob any other junk J any other junk before we wrap this thing up. I
42:47 Got nothing. I'll defer to the
42:51 front row man
42:54 I think have you had any barbecue in Memphis? Have you listened to any?
42:57 3/6 mafia while there I went to a New Orleans style
43:04 Cuisine restaurant you get a po-boy. I got
43:11 Blue crab ravioli and it was delicious. Okay, that's we're gonna wrap it up
43:18 Thank you guys everyone you
43:22 You can't appreciate good seafood
43:25 You can't appreciate seafood pasta. Yeah when I think of good seafood, I think of middle of the country Memphis
43:31 Memphis the king of seafood
43:35 Now, all right, it was delicious
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