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00:00 John Zanis, Taylor Kyles here. We were waiting for the conclusion of the four o'clock window

00:05 to jump on here and talk to you about what we witnessed in the one o'clock window,

00:09 which was the Patriots falling to the Dolphins 31-17. Taylor Kyles is in Miami. And we'll kind

00:15 of run through some of the stuff that happened in this game. And I think where the conversation is

00:19 going to go now with the Patriots sitting at two and six is going to be to the trade deadline,

00:24 which is on Tuesday, and what the Patriots should do, will do, you know, who knows what,

00:31 and kind of future stuff. But you know, I don't know if it's a nail in the coffin sort of loss.

00:35 It certainly felt like it as far as the season goes. And I think the general overarching thing

00:42 is, honestly, like, I don't know what the mood is with people. I don't think it's rage anymore,

00:47 Taylor. I think it's acceptance. I think there was a glimmer of hope coming off of the

00:53 Buffalo game that, whoa, hey, wait, maybe they can put it together. And then this was kind of a

00:59 crashing back down to earth. And I think the most depressing thing about this game, at least for me,

01:03 and then, you know, I really want your insights here, is I didn't think they played horribly.

01:08 I thought they played okay. I thought they did a good job containing the run. I thought, you know,

01:13 in many cases, they did the best they could. I thought they blocked fairly well. You know,

01:17 at times they just couldn't, it just simply came down to their guys are better than our guys. And

01:23 that was kind of the story of the game, at least how it looked to me. So I'll send it to you. If

01:29 you want to start anything game, you know, game specific, or just kind of the mood in the post

01:33 game, coming off of, you know, a loss that I think really like, kind of tells you who you are.

01:39 Yeah, with locker room, vibes weren't great. They seem pretty, pretty disappointed in the loss.

01:46 And I think it's because they understand what this meant. Like today's if they won,

01:51 really could have been a turning point in the season, because they have a very winnable slate

01:55 of games coming up. They do, they still do. But at the same time, they were already in a really

02:01 bad position entering this game with their backs against the wall really meeting this kind of win,

02:05 to really make these competitive, obviously, kind of get things in their favor in the division as

02:10 well. And even Matthew Slater acknowledged like, yeah, you know, it's gonna be tough.

02:16 Bouncing back from this one and really getting everybody. This isn't like work for what he said,

02:22 but really just kind of emotionally getting everybody on board because of a loss like this.

02:27 And then especially you lose a Kendrick Bourne, Devontae Parker,

02:31 Kendrick Bourne with the knee, you don't know how long that's gonna last. He's been your best

02:34 receiver. Devontae Parker is probably gonna be out at least a week, because he suffered a head

02:39 injury. So it was those two things, the way the game ended, like Christian Bartmore was saying,

02:44 he felt that he needed to defend Judas Meshuster after there was the hit on DeSean Elliott,

02:48 where he got called for a flag. You could tell it wasn't intentional. He wasn't trying to hurt him

02:53 or anything. You can actually see on the broadcast and he apologized to Elliott after the play.

02:57 But Dolphins players started coming towards the Patriots sideline and kind of starting crap. And

03:02 that's when Bartmore really got involved and started kind of getting after it. So I think

03:05 that just the way the game ended left a bad taste in people's mouths. And I think that you're right

03:10 for the most part. The way I wrote it up was this was just a lot of inconsistency, where when the

03:16 offense is going with pace, they look great. They were moving the ball down the field easily. And

03:22 really, it was kind of jarring because you don't see them operate with that kind of efficiency,

03:26 even last week, as easy as it looked at times when they get down field. But Hunter Henry

03:30 acknowledged after the game that there were just too many negative plays. And times they kind of

03:35 shot themselves in the foot. Turnovers, I thought for the offense, weren't quite as bad. The defense,

03:38 I thought, were hurt more by those penalties. But the Patriots just couldn't really keep up.

03:43 One thing I wrote about was how the Dolphins answered every, both, every, both of the Patriots

03:49 touchdown drives. But then when the Dolphins scored, the Patriots had two points in interception

03:54 and a turnover on downs. That's kind of the story of the game, I think, is that every time the

03:59 Dolphins put up points, the Patriots just couldn't keep up. And the defense, again, it's inconsistent

04:04 because there were times where they looked pretty good. Like you look at third downs and on most

04:08 days, 5-14 on third down, that's pretty good. But then you allow three fourth down conversions.

04:12 I thought, I agree, the run defense after some hiccups early was really, really good for the

04:18 game. I thought that was going to be one of the keys, was controlling the line of scrimmage and

04:21 making the Dolphins win. And they did. The Dolphins wanted to run it and the Patriots

04:24 wouldn't let them. Yeah. But they kept, they stayed in the game enough that they could at

04:28 least put the run in the Patriots' minds and force them to defend it. And that kept the offense

04:33 pretty open. And then when it came to the passing game, I thought that when they, really more than

04:37 anything, I think the Dolphins' passing game slowed themselves down. They had their own mistakes

04:42 to kind of put them in bad positions when they failed. But this was, I think, maybe the worst

04:47 performance you've seen from the Patriots secondary this season. You know, like the Cowboys game was

04:51 rough. The Saints game was rough, but those were somewhat understandable because the Saints game,

04:56 the defense was on the field the whole game. Cowboys game, obviously you lose Gonzalez and

05:00 Judon. But this is one where there were times where it just felt like they had no answers to

05:03 what the Dolphins were doing. So it's disappointing because you saw that they could compete with this

05:08 team. But I think you're right. They didn't have the firepower to have those big plays and kind of

05:14 push the envelope and make a difference. - That's the thing is, I don't know that they

05:17 can compete with this team. I really don't. And that's kind of where it comes down to is,

05:22 I just think it's that point where you have to...

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06:03 Somebody in the chat, let me know if you can hear me. I'm not sure if it's me or

06:07 John is frozen right now. Because if not, I'll just keep going. Frozen like the Patriots. All

06:15 right. I guess it's just me. All right. So I'll keep giving my thoughts. John was saying,

06:21 doesn't know if the Patriots actually have the firepower to compete with this team. In my opinion,

06:26 I thought that for the most part, it was really just what the Patriots are doing to themselves.

06:30 Like Hunter Henry said, it was a lot of the negative plays. I think to a degree, the defense

06:36 not being able to hold up its end of the bargain and actually keep the Dolphins from scoring.

06:40 You look at the explosive plays, like the bracket with Marte Mapu and JC Jackson. That's not a,

06:45 we don't have the guys kind of play. That's a no. I think Jackson even said post-game,

06:50 they had bad eyes. They tried to play the run on a play action pass. They each took a step forward,

06:55 and it was what ultimately killed them. You get the penalty. I know people say that it might not

06:59 have been a penalty. And there's some controversy there where JC was holding Tyree Kilt. From my

07:05 perspective, I thought that he had a handful of jersey and really did deserve to be flagged

07:10 on that one. And then two plays later, JC Jackson gives up a slight touchdown to Cedric Wilson.

07:16 So it's a lot of it, I think it's just performance based. And yeah, the Jelani Tavae mistackle,

07:22 obviously he more than made up for it, but there's just certain fundamental things that

07:25 this Patriots team wasn't doing well enough. And if anybody, while John's out here, if anybody has

07:30 questions in the chat, feel free to put them up because I'm riding solo here for now. But

07:37 trying to think of some other points, maybe I'll go with some positives, maybe.

07:42 Romandre Stevenson, I thought he had a return to form kind of game. I know the stat line isn't

07:46 impressive at all. You get like 50 yards or something like that. Not very impressive.

07:50 But if you're watching the game, you saw he was finally breaking tackles, making people miss.

07:55 Late in some of the runs where there was nothing open early, he makes something happen throughout

07:59 the play. That's the kind of stuff you wanted to see from Romandre Stevenson. I thought that was

08:03 fantastic. Kyle Dugger returning to form, team leading nine tackles, obviously as the interception,

08:09 not a great read by Tua. I think we can all acknowledge that was not the best play from him,

08:15 but still being able to capitalize is huge because if he drops that, then the Dolphins can punt and

08:20 then the Patriots have to put a long drive together. Instead, they have great field position.

08:24 They score on a play where interestingly enough, the Dolphins ended up bracketing DeMario Douglas.

08:29 Which even he acknowledged after the game, he didn't expect to be getting bracketed early on

08:33 in his career like that, but opened up an opportunity for Kendrick Bourne because of

08:37 Kyle Dugger being able to make a play. Also at the sack, he had some impact against the run.

08:43 So, you know me, I'm a sort of alchemist. I like to look at some of the positives because

08:47 this was rough overall. But from those perspectives, I thought Romandre Stevenson

08:51 and Kyle Dugger, like what I saw from them. Jelani Tabai, I mentioned the missed tackle,

08:56 but that was like the only knock I think. He had a really good game. He set a bunch of hard edges.

09:00 He was throwing guys around, almost had an interception. He broke up the pass,

09:03 but he almost picked it off. He had a really good game. I was impressed with what he was able to do.

09:07 But really, it's not a whole lot of things that he saw that were positive from this team.

09:15 I can toss to some sound from Mack on the Jalen Ramsey interception before I actually get my

09:21 thoughts on it. So Ahmed, if you could maybe throw in what Mack said about another inexcusable pick.

09:27 I knew the coverage. I knew everything. I just made a bad throw really late.

09:33 It didn't really drive it. And that's what happens on that play. The guy either takes

09:38 it and it's a touchdown or the guy falls off and that can happen. But can't do that as a

09:43 quarterback, just throw it out of bounds or take the check down and move on.

09:48 Yeah. So just it's plays like that where you have to, and I want to root for Mack. I think

09:54 everybody wants to root for Mack. But when he says he knew what the play was, I think there

09:59 were some people who were saying maybe he got baited into the throw. He wasn't baited into

10:03 the throw. What you see if a quarterback was intentionally trying to get a quarterback to

10:08 throw is usually you'll see more measured steps. Like they're kind of just strafing

10:12 and waiting for that throw to come. Jalen Ramsey was taken off downfield

10:16 and then Mack's throw led Kendrick Bourne to him. Kendrick actually tried to sit in a hole

10:21 in the zone coverage. And then you saw it was just a really bad throw. He didn't put it back

10:26 shoulder. There wasn't enough zip on it. He threw it off his back foot and it was late. Just a

10:30 cacophony of errors that you can't have, especially when you're almost in scoring territory. Like

10:34 again, those are the reasons I'm saying, I don't think the Patriots can compete with the Dolphins

10:39 earlier on in the year. They were one drive away from being able to tie that game and maybe,

10:44 you know, swing things in their favor and maybe we're looking at a different type of season. Now,

10:48 obviously the offensive line, you can't just throw that out the window. The offensive line at that

10:51 point was an issue. This time, the offensive line wasn't the issue. It was Mack Jones in that

10:56 instance, taking points off the board and giving Miami ideal field position to get points themselves.

11:02 So I'll sort of take questions after that. I'm not just going to like beat this over the head,

11:06 but I think the point is when you talk about Mack and whether the team should move on after the

11:09 season or what they're going to do with him, it's plays like that where it's hard to really make an

11:13 argument for him as your quarterback of the future because he's putting you in bad positions

11:18 and you just can't have that on a weekly basis. Even last week, he actually got away with a strip

11:23 sack on a play where there was a penalty, it was overturned, but the strip sack had nothing to do

11:28 with the penalty. He wasn't protecting the ball, got run down from behind and fumbled. So it stinks

11:35 because you can tell he works hard. He's respected in the locker room. He's got a lot of great

11:39 relationships and all those things that you want from a starting quarterback. You saw the fire

11:42 from him last week. You're thinking maybe he's getting back there with a good offensive line.

11:47 I don't think he was terrible for the most part. I got to go back and watch the film and see really

11:51 what was going wrong. I know there was the third down when they were in scoring territory after

11:56 halftime. It looked like Devante Parker might've been open. Demario Douglas was open downfield,

12:00 but it felt like to me he was just staring down Romandre Stevenson for whatever reason.

12:07 It's hard to consistently say that Mack is the guy that you want leading this team

12:13 because of the self-inflicted errors and the lapses in judgment. There were even a couple

12:18 plays where you saw there was the overthrow to Romandre Stevenson, where you saw him panic in

12:23 the pocket. Those are things that just get ironed out in a couple of weeks, even if you have a good

12:27 offensive line. We also saw it last week against the Bills. He got panicky on the sack he took.

12:32 I don't know how long it's going to take to iron those things out.

12:36 I said I was going to beat it over the head. I'm actually done now. I'll start taking questions.

12:40 Another tough play for Mack Jones that really hurts his case for being the top dog in the

12:48 quarterback group. Amit, if you could please let's throw up some questions from our lovely

12:52 viewers. Thank you all for being patient. We really appreciate it.

12:55 Thoughts on the O-line and who did they have for their starting five? Oh my God,

13:04 that's so the font so small. I'm sorry. One thing I thought was interesting, I asked David Andrews

13:09 about it. There was some mixing and matching going on inside. For some reason, Mafia was going in for

13:15 City. So at times, I think Cole Strange got hurt at one point. We saw him on the sideline with no

13:19 helmet. He came back in. I still think that City, just because I didn't see any glaring errors from

13:26 him, maybe that was why he was on the sidelines. I don't know. Could have just been it's Miami,

13:30 the heat, people cramp. You don't know for sure. But I think they found their top starting five

13:35 offensive linemen. I thought there were a lot of plays where Mack had a ton of time to throw.

13:39 Thought the run game looked pretty good. They had some run stuffs as well. I think there were four

13:43 tackles for loss in the game overall. One of them was the one of the opening plays to Mario Douglas.

13:47 But yeah, I really like this offensive line. I think that they should keep going with this unit

13:52 as long as they remain healthy. I thought Mike and one who handled speed off the edge

13:56 relatively well. I think there may have been a sack where he kind of struggled to force. I think

14:00 it was Jaylin Phillips around the edge. It's so tough doing this without any film review after

14:04 you just watched it live. But yeah, I like this unit. I don't think they were the problem. I think

14:09 that you just have to be more consistent and not have so many plays where you're kind of just

14:13 shooting yourself in the foot. Yeah, there's my thoughts on that. What else we got on it?

14:17 I think Keishon Booty gets playing time finally, or are we going to pretend we are good enough

14:24 to sit players still? All right. So Bill Belichick acknowledged this last week when he was

14:32 talking to reporters. He was asked about Keishon Booty and whether or not, what the situation is

14:37 with him. Why isn't he playing? Because we hear you. Fans have been very vocal about wanting to

14:42 see more of Keishon, or actually see Keishon Booty. We haven't seen him since week one. He's

14:46 been a healthy scratch. Belichick's answer was basically that he's in a competitive environment

14:50 and that players who deserve to play will play. He's a rookie. We already knew he was struggling

14:55 to crack a starting lineup in the summer, which is understandable. But still, you have DeMario

14:58 Douglas who had the lead there. And Keishon Booty was a more highly touted player the year before

15:04 in college. So I really think he's just not doing enough in practice. I think if he was providing a

15:09 spark behind the scenes, there's no reason at all that the team wouldn't be putting him out there.

15:13 I think maybe now their hand's going to be forced because you might not have Kendrick

15:18 Bowen for the foreseeable future if his knee injury is significant. As I said, Devontae Parker,

15:22 he's got the head injury. The Patriots have been sitting guys for at least a week with concussions

15:26 just to play it safe. I love that protocol. It can be frustrating as a fan, but it's these

15:32 players' long-term health is what's most important. So with that lack of depth there,

15:37 maybe we see more Juju, maybe we see more Rager. I think those are probably more likely because we

15:42 have seen it's established they have more trust. But I don't know if we're going to see Keishon

15:47 Booty anytime soon. And that seems like that's completely up to him. If he starts coming through

15:50 in practice and showing some flashes and taking advantage of his opportunities, then maybe. But

15:55 for right now, whether it's not doing well enough on the scout team, not getting opportunities

15:59 because he's not doing enough with what he has, I just don't know if there's a real option that

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16:53 All right, so let's see what other questions we got in the chat. Oh my gosh, some of you guys

17:04 are being real brutal in that and I get it. Bill has said he's not interested in developing players.

17:10 Is that what that said? Yeah. So what good would drafting Caleb Williams be if Bill is still

17:15 coach? I don't know when Bill has said he's not interested in developing players. I think that's

17:20 kind of the whole job of a coach. That's kind of a weird question, honestly. I'm trying to think

17:27 of how to answer it. I mean, I don't think there's anything wrong with drafting Caleb Williams. If

17:33 they end up having the top pick in the draft, I don't think that's likely, but if he falls into

17:38 their lap, I don't think that Belichick is not going to want him because he doesn't want to

17:42 develop players. I think having someone with his talent, you know, Mac's still under contract for

17:47 a year, assuming they don't trade him at the deadline. I don't think that's going to happen.

17:50 I don't think the team has enough trust in their other quarterbacks, as we've seen throughout this

17:54 season, and we know they're not going to tank. So I think that if they have a chance at Caleb

17:58 Williams next season, finally get some real competition for Mac, I think that'd be the best

18:03 thing. And not just competition, I think obviously he has the talent to win that position, but he's

18:07 also a young player. You don't know what you're going to get early on. Yeah, but yeah, that's,

18:11 I guess my response to that. I think that they would take out Williams if they had the opportunity.

18:16 Are you buying or selling at the deadline? Now, I think you got to be sellers. You're

18:20 prioritized selling at least. I don't really think there's really anybody that could come in and save

18:25 the season. If they had won today, I would say, okay, maybe you get like, if you can find a good

18:31 deal, you get a receiver that really puts you over the top and allows you to be more explosive

18:35 rather than just needing to pass quickly and kind of just rely on intermediate throws and things of

18:40 that nature. But yeah, I think you got to sell. I think Uche, it's written on the walls. He's going

18:44 to be gone. Trying to think of other players you could really sell on. Frankly, I think it's just

18:49 a lot of players on this team that you should keep as foundational pieces. I don't think that

18:53 tearing everything down is really the right move. I think that you have some people who could be

18:57 good for you in the future if you get a few more pieces around them. And plus I know Kendrick

19:02 Bourne was being floated out there. That's out the window now, unfortunately, most likely

19:06 if his injury is significant. Oh, John's back. But yeah, sell. You got to sell. You just aren't

19:13 in a position right now where you can acquire players to put you over the edge. You're really

19:18 more in a position where you got to try to get the best draft capital possible, get as many picks as

19:22 possible to try to make a splash in the draft. Welcome back. - Hey, what's up, buddy?

19:28 - Hey, are you buying or selling at the deadline? - Oh, no, I think they should buy. Come on. I mean,

19:34 what are we talking about here? I got to warn everybody at home, Xfinity rolling blackouts all

19:40 day here with my Wi-Fi. I cannot guarantee a thing. There's nothing I can guarantee. I'm

19:46 going to freeze like this. - Well, this time I'll be ready for it.

19:51 - No, I apologize if it happens again. There's nothing I can do here. I'm sure Taylor's covered

19:58 everything of value at this point. The buy or sell thing is a no-brainer. It's not whether

20:04 they should, it's whether they will. And really it comes down to a question of pride. It comes

20:09 down to two questions. Is it in Bill's personality to punt on a season like this, to acknowledge that

20:18 it's over on his own? And does he have enough job security to do it? And that's kind of what

20:25 it comes down to. Robert Kraft has said how important it is to make the playoffs and this

20:32 and that. I think you need Robert Kraft to come into Bill's office and say, "I want you to get

20:41 everything you can and load up." But also when you do that, you almost got to kind of tell him

20:44 because I'm going to let you do it. We're going to rebuild. It's almost like, is Bill going to

20:52 feel comfortable selling if he doesn't know he's the guy who gets to do it? So he's going to go out

20:56 with this. The last we're going to see if Bill Belichick is going to be this miserable team

21:01 that sold off all of its viable parts and is essentially trying to lose, not really, but kind

21:07 of. Is he going to be cool with that? I don't know. I don't know how he responds to a message

21:12 from above that says, "Sell." Because that's the tricky part. I almost feel like they kind of have

21:17 to be together on it, but also it begs the question, do you want Belichick making personnel

21:22 decisions moving forward? It's a messy situation. It's really messy because this is something

21:30 Kraft said he would never do, is meddle with personnel stuff. He got burned in the early days

21:36 with Parcells and just said he'd never do it. He's never come in and told Bill, with the exception of

21:40 maybe the Brady-Garoppolo thing, that first time around, what to do with his roster. So any

21:47 incursion like that by Robert Kraft, I don't know how that's going to land. But they have to.

21:54 I think people need to understand. I've seen some chatter out there about compensatory picks and this

22:00 and that and why would you trade guys for draft picks. You're not going to get compensatory picks

22:05 if you spend in free agency, which they absolutely can, should, and will. They don't have much of a

22:09 roster next year. They don't have a lot of guys under contract. They have to spend a lot to fill

22:14 that roster up and they have a reasonable amount of cap space to do it. Once they do that,

22:18 everyone's walking for free because they're going to spend way more than they can to be able to

22:23 retain. They're going to buy more than they lose in free agency. So they're not getting any

22:28 compensatory picks. So yes, even a fourth or a fifth at this point has value. Anything that allows

22:34 you to move around draft boards and get the guys that you want next year is valuable. So yes, they

22:38 should be selling guys, even if it is for mid-round picks. If you can get thirds and fourths for

22:43 people, no question about it. The question is, let's just assume in a fairytale world that they

22:49 do. You know, Uche has been mentioned as the most obvious one. And he didn't play today. I don't

23:00 know how hurt he actually was, but. I don't think it was an injury thing. They were saying all week

23:05 that the foot injury wasn't going to be long. I think it wasn't significant. He was at practice.

23:11 I think that this is them trying to preserve him before the deadline.

23:14 Yeah. And I mean, Thornton was a healthy scratch. That might just be because he's not good enough

23:19 to see the field. I can't imagine there's interest on him, but sure, maybe there is a reclamation.

23:26 Maybe someone looks at it and says, Pat's can't do anything with a downfield speed threat with a guy

23:31 like with like Mac Jones. So maybe we can. And, you know, maybe they can recoup something close

23:37 to the second that they spent on him. And if they could, maybe they want to do that because I don't

23:41 think he's going to fit here with with his skill set and, you know, in the current quarterback

23:45 situation. So who do you see? Like, who would you like to see move? What would be a controversial

23:49 name that you might see move? Controversial name. I think Kyle Dutter would probably be the most

23:55 controversial in terms of people who could actually get you capital because like when he's been hurt,

23:58 Kendrick Bourne just got hurt really significant. What's probably going to be significant if it's

24:03 a knee injury? Yeah, I'll go Kyle Dutter because I don't really think there's a lot of other players

24:08 on your team who have the kind of value where teams are going to say, all right, I'll give you

24:12 a legitimate pick for him. I think Tyquan Thornton, I was saying earlier, I thought was an option just

24:17 because the speed, the contract, I don't have to give up much for him. I was saying like a fourth

24:23 would be very optimistic, but probably more likely a fifth. But I also don't want to say Dutter's

24:29 controversial because I think he's one of the building blocks. Had a great game today.

24:33 I started to look more like himself again, but he's probably the only one of the players outside

24:37 of Uche who would get you any significant draft effort. Yeah. And like anything outside of,

24:44 like, it really comes down to teams and needs, you know, like, and, you know, you look around

24:53 the NFL, like who's got a need where. Everyone can always use pass rushing. So Uche, of course,

24:59 makes sense. Are there any teams out there right now that could use other positions that the

25:04 Patriots might be able to provide the problem when you have a roster lacking talent as much as the

25:08 Patriots do is there's really not much that anybody else out there would want. Yeah. That's the,

25:15 that's the really ugly part of that coin. I'm literally looking through the roster now,

25:18 trying to think of who would somebody want to, I, the only thing I would say is like,

25:23 is, is someone like if there was a team that was contending that needed a piece there, you know,

25:29 really deep down on the, you know, you know, kind of the running back pecking order and they make a

25:35 call on Ramond Ray, or you saw that the Vikings might've lost Kirk Cousin for the seasons for

25:41 the season they held on to win their four and four, their season's not over. Would they make

25:45 a call on Mac Jones? I don't know. You know, it really comes, I know the Mac stuff seems stupid

25:51 in the sense that like, it sounds like sports radio hot take stuff, but it's not if you've

25:57 decided he's not your guy. Like if they know they're moving on from Mac, who cares if it's

26:02 Mac or Taylor Haneke next year, it doesn't matter. You know what I mean? If you're, if it's just

26:07 going to fill that hole with just patch it up and wait for, you know, with just glue and tape and

26:14 just wait for the real repairs to come later on. It doesn't matter who, if you view Mac as that guy

26:20 internally, like replacement level, then it doesn't matter. You're not preserving anything.

26:25 You're not doing anything. You're not going to, you might not, you might've decided you're not

26:29 picking up a fifth year option. You're getting nothing for him later on in trade. If some team

26:34 is desperate and calls and offers you a third for Mac Jones, you have to consider it. If you know

26:39 you're moving on, if you think there's still hope and you want to go one more year with better

26:44 pieces and spending some capital and knowing you meant to address weapons. Sure. I, but you know,

26:50 I don't know. I just don't, I'm trying to think of this from Bill Belichick's perspective.

26:55 Cause that's really all that matters. And I don't think, I don't think Mac is a realistic option

26:59 as poorly as he's clear. I'm just going to throw it out there. Cause I would say you could,

27:04 if you knew you're moving on, there's no reason not to. I just don't know if it gets you anything,

27:07 but yeah. And I don't think you trust Bailey's happy or like anybody enough because if he trusted

27:12 them enough, then we wouldn't have seen Malik Cunningham be the top backup that week. Like I,

27:15 I was some weird mess. Not that he was a real backup, but like, yeah, it was such a weird

27:19 message that they didn't have an actual backup quarterback. So yeah, I, I, I, I think that it

27:25 should be something that he entertained, but I don't think there's any chance that he does. Cause

27:28 he wants to be competitive and you're not gonna be competitive with Bailey's happy a quarterback

27:31 for another 10 games, 10 or nine games. I'm bad at math. Sorry. Sorry about that. I couldn't tell

27:41 where the noise was coming from here. I'm on my own. So, so I don't know, but yes, certainly,

27:47 certainly sellers. I just don't know what you can get. It's not like, you know, some big,

27:52 sexy name is out there. I'll throw it around this way. Could you be buyers and should you be buyers?

27:58 Yeah. Why not? And here's why you're, you're not this. If someone's giving something away

28:04 that you could use next year, you still have to feel the team.

28:10 And so if, if, if like, if Judy was available and you thought, and that's a guy you wanted,

28:17 and now it's a, it's a fair price. And you're like, yeah, I'll take that. Cause I need receivers

28:21 next year. You know? Sure. It's not about winning this year. It's about players. Like

28:26 53 players is a lot. Like you can't trade everyone. You have to fill a roster. Like

28:32 you can't go in free agency and just resign 53 new guys. You know? Like it's, it's not the NBA

28:38 where you get two good players and then just fill with the rest. Like you need a lot of players at

28:43 a lot of positions. So, uh, with bill, we trust who put that up there. You, I did that just cause

28:49 I thought it was funny and I wanted to see you get mad. I mean, I've been off that for a while

28:54 and it's not, it's not a knock on bill. I just think it's, there's empirical evidence just to

28:59 show, uh, you know, his talent evaluation going back several, several, several years at this point

29:05 a is, is, is lacking. And that's why they are where they are. I mean, you should not be looking

29:09 at again, the dolphins and the Eagles were examples of what type of talent you can build around and

29:15 the bills until they had that, you know, extend Alan, the type of, the type of talent that you

29:20 can put on an NFL roster when you're building around a quarterback on a rookie scale contract.

29:25 The fact that the Patriots have this bad talent when they're paying so little to their quarterback

29:30 is almost difficult to do. I mean, it's, I don't know that you can do worse putting together a

29:36 team when you have that massive advantage, um, it takes strong principles. Oh boy. There he goes.

29:48 Okay. I'll give my take on in bill. We trust before I shoot it over to, uh, or we'll add real

29:54 quick. I was the one who was on the airwaves saying that like, you know, he's got a plan

29:59 that it up. I still like the top three draft freaks, but especially now in hindsight, it's

30:03 okay. Couldn't have gotten back one more weapon instead of a Marty Mopu instead of a Keon white.

30:08 I still really like those pics. I think they were great value, but I think personally,

30:13 I was kind of naive to be very honest. I figured bill has a plan. I also thought that bill O'Brien

30:18 would be able to maximize this offense. Now, to be fair, I think the offensive line injuries,

30:23 you can't get around how much those impact at the beginning of the season, not only the right tackle

30:27 thing, Dante Skarniecki himself has said, you can get by with one, you know, not great offensive

30:32 lineman. When you have a Tony O'Mathy having to play significant staffs, when city, so is one of

30:37 your starting guards in, you know, in the beginning of the season, that's not great sign. You don't

30:43 get Mike and Wendy were cool, strange finishing games that had a significant impact on this team.

30:47 So I think, you know, part of that has to be taken into consideration, but at the same time,

30:52 those holes and those injuries showed how banged up they were in a lot of other spots in terms of

30:57 talent. So yeah, I think that defensively bill's plan has been fantastic. I think that talent wise,

31:06 they walked into this season with a loaded defense and if Christian Gonzalez is still,

31:11 you know, still around kicking, they were looking at JC Jackson, even before he got hurt.

31:15 I think this could have been a really special defense, but the offense has just been so bad.

31:20 And then you couldn't have predicted how much Mack Jones is going to backslide. I don't even know if

31:24 he'd really say backslide because he was already regressing last season, but in terms of having

31:29 more talent around him and a more competent offensive mind and the struggle, sure. Like

31:34 the pressure is something that he can't really control, but it's his response to that. And then

31:39 how it just started to unravel where it's not just, Oh, he's afraid to get hit. It's no, he's

31:45 the dealing range interception again, throwing off your back foot, throwing weight. He's not

31:49 processing things very well. All the things that were strengths for him have now kind of become

31:54 glaring weaknesses where he's giving the other team, the ball every single game. So yeah,

31:59 throw it to factor, but in bill we trust, I think he's really earned some criticism for his recent

32:06 track record, but yeah, you want to take it away please. And thank you.

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33:30 to get 50% off. All right. We're going to take two more questions in this show.

33:38 I'm going to go through, see who's got something good for me. Feel free to throw something in right

33:42 now if you got it. Do you trust Bill buying? He's not a great recent track record. Offensively,

33:49 frankly, no. I need to see something. I've gotten to the point where I've given Bill a lot of rope

33:55 myself and now he's got to run out. It's not even beyond the acquisition of skill talent.

34:04 It's also the development of skill talent where they haven't really been able to take a player.

34:09 You got your own winnings, obviously. You got your DeMario Douglas' so far,

34:13 but there's also a lot of names on that list where young players haven't been able to actually work

34:17 out. Now, Bill's track record's been better when it comes to buying on guys where you already know

34:22 what the track record is, but that hasn't even been really great either. If Bill wants to buy

34:28 and try to get another piece for the defense, maybe put them over the top so they don't get,

34:32 I don't want to say embarrassed. They did a solid job against the Dolphins, all things considered,

34:36 but something to make you a little more consistent, maybe? Sure, why not if it's a real impact player?

34:42 Offensively, I hate to say it, but I don't have a lot of faith in Bill's ability to evaluate talent

34:48 on that side of the ball. All right, what else we got?

34:51 Let's see, let's see, let's see. He's got a couple questions.

34:59 Ah, 16 players set to be free agents. What's the next move? I think a lot of the players,

35:05 because they're not great, are guys that you could probably get back on relatively cheap

35:10 contracts. Like, all the tight ends, I think you could get back at very reasonable prices.

35:13 Myles Bryant, I think you could get back. That's going to be a pretty easy one. Kendrick Bourne,

35:19 assuming he's healthy, I think he's someone that you should resign just because of how much

35:24 continuity he could bring to your offense. And I don't think you want to make him number one. I

35:28 think if he's number two or number three, that's fantastic. But, you know, I'm trying to fit him

35:31 into this number one receiver role. I don't really know if that's it. But then obviously,

35:36 the big names are the ones that come to mind, right? So Mike Nguyen, I'd like to see him

35:39 resign. I don't think they will. I don't think they see him as a tackle long term.

35:43 And they drafted Antonio Maffi to play guard. They have Cole Strange, although I would like to see

35:49 him replace David Andrews at center. And Sidney Sow, I think they want him at tackle. I don't

35:54 know if that's still the plan. To be fair, it's a really tough transition from being a college

35:59 guard to an NFL tackle. Mike Nguyen, he did it because Mike Nguyen, he's a freak and he's a

36:04 really good player. Sidney Sow is a good player as well, but it was obvious that the struggle

36:08 was difficult for him. Kyle Duggar, in my brain, he's a no brainer resigning because he's older,

36:13 especially this season. He started pretty slow, so I don't even know how much attention he's

36:16 going to draw. And the safety market isn't great either. Josh Uche, I think he's getting traded.

36:22 I don't even really think there's a question about that anymore. I'm trying to think. I feel

36:25 like there's one more name I'm missing. Yeah, they got all the good ones. All right, I'll take one

36:33 more. Oh, Judon. Judon, I believe, is under contract still next year. He'll be a free agent in

36:39 2025, I believe. But I think the big thing with him is he may want more money again. I think it's

36:47 difficult because he was injured. So I don't know if you really want to give him a pay bump,

36:53 maybe see how he does in camp and then have that discussion. But yeah, I think most of their

36:59 players could probably be brought back. The only one who's probably going to demand serious money,

37:05 who kind of gives me pause just because of his position, isn't winning. Because I think he's

37:12 really a guard and we've seen that the Patriots don't want to pay guards. Even when it was Joe

37:15 Tooney, who was an Ironman and a fantastic player for them. All right, take one more question and

37:20 then we will let you all live your lives. Pats passed on DeJuan Jones in the fourth and drafted

37:26 Jake Andrews. With this need and Jones being the top graded offensive tackle, is this a fair

37:32 second guess? So what I heard was that DeJuan Jones just didn't interview very well, which is

37:38 just a team to team thing. I think that some people just maybe got the wrong impression from

37:43 him in interviews. But the Browns clearly didn't and they thought he was good enough and they

37:48 decided to take him. But at the same time, a lot of teams passed on him. Everyone talks about how

37:51 good DeJuan Jones is. Here's a fourth round pick for a reason. In hindsight, 100% you second guess

37:57 that because Jake Andrews hasn't played this year. And frankly, like I said, I'd like to see

38:02 goal strings at center. That's probably not their plan. But I think you could do better in the fourth

38:06 round than a center. I also don't know how many teams were in the market for Jake Andrews. I'm

38:11 not going to turn this into a Jake Andrews bad session, though. That's just my opinion. I thought

38:14 it was a bit of an odd pick. That was the first one of the draft where I was really like, hmm,

38:18 don't get it, but we'll see what happens. And based on their use and what the situation has

38:22 been to tackle, yeah, I think it's completely fair. Second guess that one. Good question.

38:27 But yeah, thank you all so much for sticking with us through the technical difficulties. We

38:31 obviously really appreciate it. Enjoy tonight's football game. Get your mind off what happened

38:36 today until tomorrow when we have to talk about all the hard questions and press conferences

38:42 and whatnot. But have a great night, everyone. Take care of yourselves. Take care of each other.

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