Greta Gerwig And The 'Barbie' Cast All Agree On The Unexpected Takeaway From Barbie, And Ken's Involved

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00:00 - Yeah, there were some Bitcoin Ken comments

00:02 that I think are clouding the issue.

00:04 Would you like to clear that up?

00:06 (upbeat music)

00:08 - You want a Ken in your life.

00:12 If you're not a Ken, you want a Ken around.

00:15 - You totally want to be a Ken.

00:16 We need more Kens.

00:17 I mean, we need Ken by the end.

00:19 We need like liberated Kens.

00:21 We need like, you know, it's about like all of us

00:24 getting to be all the things that we are.

00:27 - That's the thing.

00:27 Like I wanted this movie to be a hug for people

00:32 where they were.

00:34 And I think, you know, I mean, not to be sort of

00:38 to give away the whole thing, but like, you know,

00:42 where Ken starts out at the beginning of the movie

00:44 is Ken is like an afterthought and he's an accessory

00:47 and she doesn't really think about him.

00:50 She's not mean.

00:51 She just doesn't consider him.

00:52 And that's like pretty unsustainable.

00:55 You know, there's a lot to make fun of the Kens about,

00:59 especially in the beginning of the movie,

01:01 you know, kind of like how you see us in the trailer,

01:03 making, you know, trying to beat each other off all the time.

01:06 I think that's a, it's very indicative of like

01:08 kind of what the Ken mentality is.

01:10 And it kind of just comes from the fact

01:12 that we don't really do anything.

01:14 And so when we don't have any jobs

01:17 and we don't have any real purpose,

01:19 other than to kind of just be an accessory to the Barbies,

01:22 kind of really feel disempowered.

01:25 It's a, you know,

01:26 it's one of the just brilliant kind of ways

01:31 that Greta turned Barbieland onto, you know,

01:34 just flipped, you know, traditional gender stereotypes

01:37 over on its head and made the Kens like the butt of the joke.

01:41 And, you know, what you get when you don't have a lot

01:44 is like Ken start to just compete with each other

01:47 and get really nasty for no reason.

01:49 - Anyone who wants to beat him off has to beat me off first.

01:51 - I will beat both of you off at the same time.

01:54 - You don't even know how to beat yourself off.

01:55 How are you gonna beat both of us off?

01:56 - Oh my God.

01:57 - Ken, why are you getting yourself off?

01:59 - You're gonna beat both of us off?

02:00 - Nobody's gonna beat anyone off.

02:02 - I mean, Ken really evolves in this movie

02:04 past the place of just being a wonderful accessory to Barbie,

02:08 which to be fair, he was kind of invented to be something

02:11 that was included in Barbie's life

02:13 the way her material items were.

02:15 - Best job in the world.

02:16 - In the way that Ryan plays it, he's so funny,

02:19 but he plays it from such a deep place inside of him

02:23 that you really feel for Ken.

02:25 - I just don't know who I am without you.

02:27 - You're Ken.

02:28 - But it's Barbie and Ken.

02:31 There is no just Ken.

02:33 - I mean, I didn't really think about Ken's journey

02:35 'cause I just don't think about him,

02:36 but I do think that he goes through such a human experience

02:41 and he's so vulnerable and that's okay.

02:45 And he's learned so much and he only wants to be better

02:48 and he just wants to be loved by Barbie,

02:50 which is admirable,

02:51 but he becomes kind of his own man in the best way

02:56 by the end of the movie.

02:58 - Yeah, men also suffer under patriarchy

03:01 and I feel like that's the point of that part of the film.

03:05 There are so many points that the film makes,

03:07 but that it's not just women who are denied

03:12 half of their humanity by these boxes

03:15 that we place ourselves in.

03:16 - And I think that that is her journey and his journey

03:21 and where they come to with each other by the end,

03:25 that they each evolve in their own way

03:29 and that Barbie land improves

03:33 because it becomes a more egalitarian place.

03:37 I think it's like, I wanna be speaking to men and women.

03:43 I don't just want it to be one thing.

03:48 - I think Ken is confused.

03:50 It's just, and I don't know if he ever shakes that off.

03:53 I think that's relatable though.

03:55 I think it is confusing.

03:56 Life is confusing.

03:58 - I think as much as this is like,

03:59 there's moments where you get a great monologue

04:02 where it's like, what it's like to be a woman today

04:04 and what it's like to be a mom and all that kind of stuff.

04:07 It's also, I don't know, I think we are in this time

04:10 where guys are like, okay, what's my place right now?

04:12 Like, I'm a dude and I'm trying to be an ally,

04:15 but I'm trying to allow space and I'm trying to listen,

04:18 but I'm also trying to be there.

04:19 And I think Ken's journey is kind of informative.

04:24 - I love watching the evolution that he goes through.

04:27 I don't really know,

04:28 I don't know that there's a great takeaway for Ken

04:32 other than just a sort of a surrender.

04:36 Yeah, and to not trying to dominate.

04:42 - You know, I think Ken's kind of come face to face

04:45 with who they are, what they've become,

04:47 the journey that they've been on

04:49 and I think, well, I hope that they come

04:52 to a similar conclusion that anyone would

04:56 in that situation, which is that it's always better

04:58 to stick together and support one another

05:00 than to tear each other down.

05:02 And Kennergy doesn't always have to be aggressive,

05:07 horses, loud music and fur coats.

05:16 It can come from within and it comes from a sense

05:19 of comfort with oneself and a self-confidence

05:24 that isn't projecting and isn't insecure.

05:28 - Ryan and I have a thing where we text each other

05:30 because I think Kennergy is actually really positive,

05:35 especially when it's like self-actualized Kennergy

05:37 at the end.

05:38 - Yes.

05:38 - That's amazing Kennergy.

05:40 That's like what we all wanna be going to

05:42 is like amazing self-actualized Kennergy.

05:44 - Yes.

05:46 - Which women can have Kennergy too.

05:48 It's not just a man thing.

05:50 - You know, if you wanna get deep in the Barbie movie,

05:52 it's about kind of evolving as yourself

05:56 and knowing that you are Kenuff.

05:58 - Oh my gosh, it's hard to follow that,

06:02 but Ryan, what are your thoughts?

06:03 Not even gonna try.

06:04 - Welcome to the experience, I'm Mike

06:05 and I'm just Ken.

06:07 (laughing)

06:10 (upbeat music)

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