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2017 Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio—The Return of the Italian Sport Sedan
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10/4/2023
On this episode of Ignition presented by Tire Rack
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00:00
(upbeat music)
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I may look incredibly young-ish, and I act like a child,
00:07
but the fact is I'm old.
00:09
And yet I didn't even have a driver's license yet
00:11
the last time Alfa Romeo sold a sports sedan in America.
00:14
So I've spent my entire adult life
00:18
trudging through the intolerable misery
00:20
that is BMW after BMW, after Mercedes,
00:24
after the occasional Infiniti,
00:26
and really all I wanted was an Alfa Romeo.
00:28
Now I can have one, finally,
00:30
the 2017 Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio.
00:34
It has 505 horsepower, rear-wheel drive,
00:37
and it comes only with a manual transmission.
00:39
(sighs)
00:40
Alfa Romeo, where have you been my whole life?
00:44
(sighs)
00:46
The (beep)
00:48
What the (beep) is that?
00:48
This is an automatic?
00:50
No clutch pedal?
00:51
What is this, some sick joke?
00:52
(dramatic music)
00:55
(upbeat music)
00:57
(gentle music)
01:15
Oh, I know there's a clutch pedal in here.
01:19
I know it, I know, yep, there's a cutout
01:22
in the bottom of the dash for the clutch pedal,
01:23
and yet it's not there, it's gotta be hidden.
01:25
It's hidden somewhere else.
01:27
This is unbelievable.
01:29
We see the car for the first time, it has a manual.
01:31
I watched the Chris Harris video, it has a manual.
01:33
I have the specs in front of me
01:34
from Fiat Chrysler North America,
01:36
and it says six-speed manual.
01:38
It doesn't even mention an automatic.
01:40
(paper crinkling)
01:42
(groans)
01:44
(gentle music)
01:46
Sergio, listen, $10,000.
01:49
Just take $10,000 and put a manual back in the car.
01:52
Okay, if it's not about money,
01:53
have half of my liver.
01:54
I don't really drink all that much anyway.
01:56
Please, okay, look, Sergio.
01:58
(gentle music)
02:00
(explosion booms)
02:12
(explosion booms)
02:17
- Camisa!
02:19
- What?
02:20
- Are you kidding me?
02:20
Review the freaking car!
02:23
- Fine, fine, fine, I'll review the car,
02:25
but I will never, ever accept that transmission, ever.
02:29
All right, so I've gotten the transmission ramp
02:37
mostly out of my system.
02:38
But I gotta say, I'm very excited
02:45
about the Alfa Romeo Giulia, and you should be too.
02:48
This is the first rear-wheel drive
02:49
Alfa Romeo sports sedan in 30 years.
02:53
Obviously, I love the fact that this one
02:55
has 505 horsepower and a torque vectoring rear differential.
02:59
But there's something bigger going on.
03:01
For the first time in decades,
03:03
we have Italian competition against the Japanese,
03:06
Americans, and most importantly, Germans,
03:09
who rule the sports sedan segment.
03:11
(car engine revving)
03:13
For a long time, that segment has been defined
03:16
by the BMW M3.
03:18
No surprise then that the Giulia's measurements
03:20
are within those of a middle finger to the M3
03:23
in every dimension.
03:24
And although we've criticized the latest one,
03:27
the 3 Series has been so far ahead of the game
03:29
for so long that everyone copies it.
03:32
While I'm on the subject of Germans,
03:37
let me please point out that these gauges
03:39
are a complete and total rip-off of Audi.
03:41
The infotainment system, copy of BMW's iDrive.
03:45
And the shift paddles, well, they're column-mounted,
03:47
and they're total Ferrari.
03:49
If you're gonna copy, you might as well
03:50
steal from the best.
03:51
However, Alfa Romeo didn't steal any
03:56
of the important stuff from anyone.
03:59
This Giulia is a 100% brand new car
04:01
riding on a brand new chassis developed specifically
04:04
by and for Alfa Romeo to be the best sports sedan
04:08
in the world.
04:09
This is a new identity for Alfa Romeo.
04:13
We've not seen any of this stuff before,
04:15
but the fundamentals are there.
04:16
The driving position is really good.
04:18
The steering wheel feels great.
04:20
The ergonomics work.
04:21
The car is quiet inside.
04:23
It rides well.
04:24
And the engine...
04:25
(engine revving)
04:27
definitely sounds different.
04:29
Have you ever heard a V6 sound like that?
04:41
No, I haven't.
04:42
This sounds nothing like any other V6.
04:45
It sounds more like two drunk three cylinders
04:47
having an argument.
04:48
But it sounds cool.
04:51
It just doesn't really change in pitch
04:53
and go all screamy like you'd expect from a Ferrari engine.
04:56
Oh yeah, it's a Ferrari engine.
04:58
This is a California T V8
04:59
with two cylinders lopped off of it.
05:01
The resulting V6 has a displacement of just 2.9 liters.
05:08
And it gets stuffed with 20 pounds of boost
05:12
to make 505 horsepower.
05:14
That would normally mean huge turbo lag.
05:16
But thanks to that relaxed engine note,
05:18
you wind up spinning the snot out of this engine,
05:21
keeping it in the upper part of the rev range
05:24
where turbo lag isn't so bad.
05:26
Look, even the car knows better.
05:32
You put it in an automatic and it says,
05:34
"Best race experience with shifter in manual."
05:36
Even Alfa Romeo is telling me,
05:39
"Yeah, the car would be better with a stick."
05:40
So grazie Alfa Romeo for telling me that
05:43
and (beep) for putting this transmission in here.
05:48
Actually, it's really good.
05:50
It's a ZF eight speed.
05:51
It's the best automatic in the business and I love it.
05:53
Damn, I didn't want to say anything nice
06:01
about that transmission.
06:02
It is nice in here.
06:07
It's quiet.
06:08
The ride is good.
06:09
The suspension tuning is absolutely brilliant.
06:12
The steering is fast and incredibly direct.
06:15
This car pulls.
06:17
This is way closer to the M3
06:20
than I think I expected Alfa could pull off.
06:22
My God, is it fast.
06:25
Only thing is for some inexplicable reason,
06:29
it has brake by wire.
06:30
There's no physical connection
06:32
between the brake pedal and the wheels
06:34
and that's all well and good,
06:35
except I don't know when the wheels are locking up.
06:37
I don't know when I'm in ABS.
06:39
So I'm trying to listen to the tires
06:41
telling me what's going on.
06:42
I don't hear anything and I don't feel anything.
06:45
It's a little bit disconcerting.
06:48
(car engine roaring)
06:50
You know what else is disconcerting?
06:52
That everyone seems to forget their history lesson.
06:54
BMW didn't invent the sports sedan.
06:58
Alfa Romeo did.
06:59
Flashback to 1962 when BMW was still farting around
07:05
with Isetta bubble cars
07:06
and Alfa Romeo came out with this, the Giulia Super.
07:09
This was the sedan version of the 105 cars,
07:12
the Duetto and the GTV.
07:13
Sports cars that changed the world with twin cam engines
07:16
and great power.
07:18
Took 25 years for the next one to come out,
07:21
which was the 75, sold in America as the Milano.
07:24
And this is the Verde.
07:26
This has a three liter version of the Busso V6,
07:29
widely regarded to be the best sounding V6 engine
07:32
of all time.
07:33
And it's taken 30 years to replace it.
07:36
And here it is, the Giulia.
07:38
Randy, stop licking the front of the car.
07:40
(record scratching)
07:41
- But Jason, she's so beautiful.
07:43
- I know, I know, I know.
07:44
- I want her.
07:46
- We're all happy Alfa Romeo's back, but guess what?
07:48
Two, we got two of them.
07:50
We got a blue--
07:51
- Twins!
07:52
(laughing)
07:53
- We got a blue Giulia over there
07:54
with carbon ceramic brakes, carbon seats,
07:57
and your name on it.
07:58
Also, don't go anywhere, BMW M3 competition package.
08:02
So if you could do me a favor,
08:04
do that amazing magic thing you do
08:05
where you lap the two cars simultaneously,
08:07
BMW on the left, Alfa on the right.
08:09
- I got it.
08:10
- Go.
08:11
- I got it.
08:12
(engine revving)
08:15
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08:18
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08:21
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08:24
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08:26
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08:30
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08:33
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08:36
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08:41
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08:44
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08:49
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08:52
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08:57
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09:04
(engine revving)
09:10
(engine revving)
09:19
(engine revving)
09:22
(engine revving)
09:30
(engine revving)
09:37
(engine revving)
09:44
(engine revving)
09:46
- It's the time.
09:58
The Giulia is just as fast out of the box
10:01
as the latest, greatest, likely highest performing M3
10:04
of this generation.
10:05
See, told you everyone was copying the Germans.
10:11
Welcome back to the red car.
10:13
- Happy to be here as usual, Jason.
10:15
- So, what'd you think of the M3?
10:19
- That M3 is the best current version M3
10:22
I've driven on track.
10:23
- Competition back, way better,
10:27
kind of like GTS is, right?
10:29
- Yeah, it reminded me a lot of the GTS,
10:31
extremely well damped, and the car puts down power
10:34
better than any other current generation M3
10:36
or 4 I've driven.
10:37
- Totally agree.
10:38
So now, the big question is,
10:39
how did the Alpha do against the best of the current M3s?
10:42
(engine revving)
10:47
- See my pants, the Alpha felt faster.
10:50
- Did it?
10:51
- When I came out of the Alpha, I was happier
10:52
than I was when I came out of the BMW.
10:55
Generated a lot of confidence.
10:56
Part of it is the tires, it has a very aggressive Pirelli,
11:00
tread wear 60, they're sticky.
11:02
- They're sticky.
11:03
(engine revving)
11:10
And I noticed on your out lap, you flew.
11:13
I mean, you just got in that car and went for it.
11:16
Is that because you had just set the lap time on the M3?
11:19
- That's part of it, Jason, in fairness.
11:22
I've been on track, but in the BMW,
11:24
I just didn't get the kind of confidence at the limit
11:28
that I got instantly from the Alpha.
11:30
And the Alpha has this super quick steering response.
11:33
I mean, I noticed it coming out of pit lane,
11:36
way before I ever got to speed on the track.
11:39
But the quick steering response at the front
11:42
did not mean an unwillingness at the back.
11:45
It was quick and stable.
11:47
And you know what that means?
11:48
I can go fast right now.
11:50
(tires screeching)
11:55
- But here's the important part.
11:59
You had a bigger smile.
12:01
- True.
12:02
- You thought it was faster, you had more fun,
12:04
you trusted the car more.
12:05
- I trusted it was easier to do.
12:07
- Isn't that the whole point of an Alpha Romeo?
12:09
To bring joy to the world?
12:11
It's like throwing flowers at everyone.
12:13
Yeah, nailed it.
12:15
Absolutely nailed it.
12:16
- Feel that torque.
12:18
- Yep.
12:19
It took three decades for the return
12:24
of the Alpha Romeo sports sedan.
12:26
And sure, the automatic transmission
12:28
was an absolute heartbreak.
12:29
But in spite of all of that,
12:32
the Giulia Quadrifoglio was absolutely worth the wait.
12:36
It is everything the Giulia Super
12:39
and the Milano Verde once were.
12:41
Which is to say, it's everything
12:43
an Italian sports sedan should be.
12:45
Well, you know, except the transmission.
12:48
(upbeat music)
12:56
(engine revving)
12:59
(upbeat music)
13:02
(engine revving)
13:04
(upbeat music)
13:07
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