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On the latest episode of Celtics Beat, Adam and Evan are joined by Abby Chin, the Celtics sideline reporter for NBC Sports Boston. Abby joins the program to discuss the new-look Eastern Conference, if Boston should make a move for Jrue Holiday, and what she's looking forward to the most with media day around the corner. Twitter: @tvabby  0:00 Teaser 0:30 Intro 2:30 We hear from the Brogdon camp 6:10 Does Jrue Holliday make sense for the Celtics? 12:17 OddsR 14:30 Can Boston afford to trade Al or Rob? 26:52 FanDuel 27:35 Should the Bucks be favorites in the East? 42:37 Outro  This episode of the Celtics Beat Podcast is brought to you by FanDuel Sportsbook, the exclusive wagering partner of the CLNS Media Network. NEW customers can bet $5  and get $200 in BONUS BETS – GUARANTEED.   If a comprehensive solution is what you need from your supplement routine, then try AG1 and get a FREE 1-year supply of Vitamin D AND 5 free AG1 Travel Packs with your first purchase. Go to drinkAG1.com/GARDEN  ODDS-R! Ever wished you could navigate the betting field with the confidence of a pro? Enter OddsR. They're not a sportsbook, but they're the sports betting advisor you've always needed. It's like having a playbook for smarter bets right in your pocket. I've been absolutely loving the experience, and I think you will too. Especially since Pats Interference listeners get a 30-day free trial! Elevate your game day and join the smart betting revolution! Go get it at https://oddsr.com/celtics  Visit https://factormeals.com/NEWSFEED50 to get 50% off your first box! Factor is America’s #1 Ready-To-Eat Meal Kit, can help you fuel up fast with ready-to-eat meals delivered straight to your door.

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00:00 Do you believe that the Milwaukee Bucks after this move and what's still a very deep roster,

00:05 so is the Celtics.

00:06 I know.

00:07 That's why the odds are not wildly different between the two, but the Bucks are the favorites.

00:10 Do they deserve to be the betting favorites?

00:12 Is this the best roster in the NBA as of this moment?

00:16 The ABA?

00:17 NBA.

00:18 Come on.

00:19 I was confused.

00:20 I think my note went out there for a second.

00:25 I was sure it was like that.

00:26 I got to get Jackie Moon's movie off the shelf here.

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00:37 Media Network.

00:38 What's up, everybody?

00:40 New edition of Celtics Beat as we sit here in late September, which means training camp

00:45 is right around the corner.

00:46 Media Day is almost literally around the corner.

00:48 We are only a few days away from hearing from Celtics players, but will Malcolm Brogdon

00:53 be there?

00:54 That remains one of the things that we will get into.

00:56 It's been an interesting time in the world of Celtics Beat and of course in the Celtics

01:00 world in general.

01:02 We've managed, Ev, having the lenties here, Adam Kaufman, of course, we will get to our

01:05 very special guest, Abby Chin, in just a second.

01:08 Ev, we've managed to go viral this show the last couple of weeks.

01:13 So, you know, pressure's on us or Abby here or the collective unit to stay in the news

01:21 cycle again.

01:22 Not that we do it purposefully, but it just so happens that Malcolm Brogdon, something

01:25 of a newsmaker.

01:26 Abby, let's just start with the very thing that everybody is wondering and then we'll

01:32 get to everything that has happened in the last really 24, 36 hours.

01:35 Is Malcolm Brogdon going to be a Celtic this season?

01:38 That is a great question.

01:41 One that I agree with you, probably still up in the air.

01:45 I would say two things.

01:49 Number one, it's not my role to go viral.

01:53 So I apologize.

01:55 Maybe we should have talked about that before.

01:56 I hope that is not the case.

01:59 The second thing is the one thing that I know about Malcolm Brogdon is that he is a professional.

02:04 And so he is going to show up if he is on this team, unless something changes in the

02:09 next 48, 72 hours, he will be at media day.

02:12 He will answer questions and he will be a professional about it.

02:17 But I agree with you.

02:18 Something that is going around league wide throws a heightened level of intrigue into

02:23 all of this.

02:25 So I think what's, let's, I don't know, I'm going to kind of bounce around, not go in

02:28 a particular order here, but we have, let's see, it was Gary Washburn who, of course,

02:33 I mean, this, this all kind of started with Gary on our show.

02:36 And then he was the, the news made your network and ESPN and other places where Gary said

02:42 that Malcolm Brogdon was pissed about being included in trade talks.

02:46 And then Ramona Shelburne, what's that?

02:50 Understandably, understandably.

02:51 Absolutely.

02:52 Yeah.

02:53 Who all of us in that kind of, but it's a business, it's kind of how it works, but yeah,

02:57 if he felt any level of disrespect, who could blame him?

03:00 You know, no, nobody's coming after Malcolm Brogdon for that.

03:03 But of course, being the professional that he absolutely is, you wonder if, you know,

03:08 over the course of the summer and treating the elbow and everything does that simmer

03:12 down a little bit.

03:13 And Gary spoke with Brad Stevens recently wrote about this in the globe, just to read

03:18 from part of the article, Boston, according to two MBA sources, a Brockton, pardon me,

03:22 was upset about nearly being traded.

03:24 He also spent the summer rehabilitating his elbow.

03:26 Apparently without surgery, Stevens acknowledged Brockton's displeasure, but said it is being

03:30 resolved.

03:31 Quote, I would say he had every right to feel upset.

03:34 Steven said, we said that this summer, but he's a real pro.

03:37 So we've had several discussions, several discussions.

03:40 He's looking forward to getting started.

03:42 We're looking forward to getting started.

03:44 And here we go now.

03:45 Fast forward, of course, if anyone is living under a rock and missed it, Damian Lillard's

03:49 been traded not to the Miami Heat, however, sorry, Pat Riley and Jimmy Butler and Butler

03:55 looking for collusion.

03:56 Sorry, you know, fans not not happening to the Milwaukee Bucks.

04:01 Damian Lillard goes and it should surprise nobody that the Bucks are now championship

04:06 favorites and favorites to win the Eastern Conference, at least in terms of betting favorites.

04:10 And we can talk about their roster and all that good stuff a little bit later in the

04:13 show.

04:14 But now it is a two man tandem with Drew Holiday being one of those shipped out.

04:19 And it looks like he is going to be on the block.

04:23 Just complete terms, by the way, of that deal.

04:26 Yet Lillard going to the Bucs use of Nerkic going to the Suns Blazers, DeAndre Ayton.

04:32 And now the question, of course, is, you know, the Drew Holiday sweepstakes.

04:37 Now Brian Wynhorst ESPN said Celtics have been looking for a Malcolm Brogdon trade since

04:42 June and have multiple first round picks to offer for a player who could replace the defensive

04:47 leadership of guard Marcus Smart.

04:48 Adam Himmelsbach, who, of course, you know, one of those when when he speaks, we listen

04:53 with respect to the Celtics.

04:55 Absolutely not a big surprise, but I've been told the Celtics are expected to explore the

04:58 possibility of trading for Drew Holiday.

05:01 So that all takes me back to this, Abby.

05:04 If Malcolm Brogdon was pissed before.

05:08 And maybe got over it.

05:11 Isn't he pretty pissed again right now that we're right back where we started?

05:14 I mean, I'm sure he understands to a certain degree, but also he may not, if he is a Celtic

05:19 come media day next week, may not be the happiest camper.

05:24 I mean, too bad.

05:26 This is the business that you signed up for and get paid millions of dollars for.

05:30 And don't get me wrong.

05:31 I am super pro athlete in almost every scenario.

05:38 And there's nothing.

05:40 This is the business.

05:41 This is what happens.

05:42 This is a curse.

05:43 This is what goes on.

05:45 And he is on the NBA Players Association.

05:48 He's a vice president in that board.

05:51 He knows that more than anyone.

05:53 And so he will show up, as Brad said, he will be a professional throughout.

05:57 I have no doubt that he will play as hard as he can and work as hard as he can for this

06:02 team.

06:03 But yeah, I'm sure he's going to feel some kind of way, as we all would as humans.

06:08 Yeah, I just wonder, well, what's what's your view of this whole situation?

06:13 And should the Celtics be dangling Malcolm Brogdon in an effort to get through holiday

06:17 in the first place?

06:18 Or do you feel like they're better with what they are?

06:20 Because if you did get holiday, it's not just a Brogdon straight up kind of thing.

06:24 You have to include either Rob Williams or Al Horford plus picks.

06:28 Yeah, so that's the that's the hang up here.

06:30 It's not a one for one swap.

06:33 Even with that, even like Malcolm plus picks doesn't get you the money you need to make

06:37 this the trade work.

06:38 And that's the problem the Celtics have right now is they just they don't have a way to

06:42 make that work without taking another core piece of their starting, you know, five slash,

06:47 you know, the seven to eight man rotation that they're going to run during the playoffs

06:50 this year.

06:51 Drew Holliday is a spectacular player.

06:53 I don't think anybody has any problem saying that he's a he's an all defensive guard.

06:58 This team could use a little more defense.

07:01 It makes a lot of sense on paper.

07:02 It makes a lot of sense in terms of a guy that would fit the culture of the Celtics.

07:06 This doesn't make financial sense.

07:08 And if you think it does, I would just again to get Drew Holliday in here, you'd have to

07:13 trade away one of the big the one of the bigs that you have.

07:16 And that that's already thin.

07:17 I mean, Adam, how many times we talked about on this show about how thin and how how many

07:22 I mean, we've gotten so much flack for this because it's a negative connotation here.

07:28 But this team has some injury potential amongst their front line between Rob Rob Williams,

07:36 Chris Epps, Porzingis, Al Horford, the potential, its likelihood.

07:39 Look, I'm not going to do this.

07:41 I'm just going to I'm just going to lay out the facts.

07:43 It's possible.

07:44 Well, historically speaking, you should not bank on Rob Williams, Chris Epps, Porzingis

07:49 or Al Horford, any of them to play what, more than 65 games, maybe more than 60 games.

07:57 And Horford, who's on the cusp of 75 years old, is the one who is the most reliable of

08:02 the three.

08:03 It's fair.

08:04 It's all fair.

08:05 But the point being is I won't stand for this slander.

08:06 Seventy five.

08:07 Come on out.

08:08 And I still look the same, though.

08:09 That's the problem.

08:10 He has made the day he looks great.

08:11 And you don't need them to play that many games.

08:19 I mean, you need them.

08:21 You need them healthy and primed for the postseason.

08:25 So that's the reality.

08:27 And that's I mean, the beauty of Al Horford is that the man knows how to taper his body

08:31 and ramp up when it is absolutely necessary.

08:34 And those are the lessons that I believe he imparts on his teammates.

08:39 Yeah, I just don't.

08:40 I just doesn't.

08:41 Coffin doesn't feel like the right time for that type of trade.

08:46 Again, we all love Drew Holiday.

08:47 I don't love Drew Holiday as much as everybody else does.

08:49 Every big game seems like he plays and he's like three or 17 from the field.

08:53 But defensively, he's a monster guards one through four is one of the most.

08:57 That's the question.

08:58 Who now is going to guard Damian Lillard?

09:00 Right.

09:01 And it's going to take a look at the unit.

09:03 It's not like one guy's like there's not too many guys.

09:06 One on one that can handle Damian Lillard.

09:07 I mean, just there's not.

09:08 It's going to take a collective effort.

09:10 And look, they're going to have a lot of question marks in terms of how they handle the Milwaukee

09:15 Bucks as we get going here.

09:17 But at the same time, I don't think bringing Drew Holiday in here is the answer.

09:21 I think Boston, if they're dangling Malcolm Brogdon, it's just not going to be just Malcolm

09:25 Brogdon unless there's some other deal lined up with the three way where we get real crazy

09:29 here and especially so close to training camp.

09:31 I don't think I don't think this.

09:33 Again, I could be speaking out of turn here, but I don't think Boston really wants to screw

09:38 around with their roster too much.

09:40 Two days before media day and we get the ball rolling into training camp, it doesn't feel

09:44 like that's a smart move considering how the biggest new pieces they have is going to take

09:50 a while to figure out how it's going to work best with everybody else.

09:53 Porzingis is not just going to be a guy they bring in here and it's going to fit right

09:56 away.

09:57 I think it's going to take some time to figure out how to make him work with the Jays and

10:00 everybody else.

10:01 And to add another devil's devil's advocate to that.

10:05 What's the difference?

10:06 Like it's not like there's been weeks or months of Porzingis, you know, working out and scrimmaging

10:11 with Tatum and Brown, at least as far as I know.

10:13 So if you're working in one new guy, what's the difference working in another new guy?

10:17 My thing and Evan, you're totally right.

10:20 I was having flashbacks yesterday of media day a year ago when everything hit the fan

10:24 three days before and when all the Damien Lillard trades up and I was like, oh my God,

10:30 are we going to be doing this again?

10:31 They're going to trade for Damien Lillard three days before the season starts.

10:36 And that didn't happen.

10:38 But the other part of it is, and I am a huge fan of Drew Holiday on many levels, all the

10:44 work that he does in the community and with his wife and with his family and not to mention

10:49 everything that he does on the court.

10:51 But I agree with you in that the money thing doesn't make sense, particularly how much

10:55 they have invested in their top three at the moment, the Celtics and Jason Jalen and now

11:00 Kristofs and not to mention that he can opt out after next year.

11:04 So I am one for putting all of your chips in, but I think that and I do believe that

11:10 the Celtics will do their due diligence and go after Drew Holiday if it's at the right

11:14 price.

11:15 But I would imagine that the Celtics price is very different from what this bidding war

11:19 is going to turn into.

11:21 The thing about it, if they do acquire Drew, is it goes against everything that we have

11:25 been told all off season.

11:28 And that is, this is Jason and Jalen's team.

11:32 They need to step up into those leadership roles.

11:34 They need to be the ones on the floor directing traffic, calling plays, being the guys with

11:39 the ball in their hands.

11:41 And this is their team.

11:42 And we have seen repeatedly what happens and it's no one's fault, but you brought in Kemba

11:48 Walker who is, who was as deferential as a former all-star could be at the point guard

11:54 position and it was still too much.

11:58 Marcus Smart was named starting point guard and apparently it was still too much.

12:03 They want the Jays to be the guys.

12:06 They are the guys and now it is their time to take that mantle for this franchise and

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12:49 So a few things.

12:50 I feel, well, one, Ev, I mean, you would know you do these shows every single week with

12:56 me and Abby.

12:57 I'm sure we've had some of these conversations as well over the course of the offseason,

13:00 but I just feel honestly a little bit vindicated in the sense that I have been saying for months,

13:07 for months that the Celtics are still looking to trade Malcolm Brogdon and still more than

13:12 open to the idea, if not outright dangling him doesn't mean he's going to get traded,

13:16 but the fact that all of these reports again, Himmelsbach, Wynnhorst, you name it, the fact

13:20 that all of this is happening, like I haven't been making it up, folks.

13:23 Malcolm Brogdon is no sure thing to be here come media day or come mid training camp or

13:28 come opening night or certainly mid season.

13:32 This a whole other conversation.

13:33 The Celtics could be looking to move him in picks for some sort of a trade deadline upgrade,

13:37 but that's not the same thing.

13:39 I'm talking about the here and now he could absolutely be moved.

13:42 The other part of this, which is, well, sort of goes in series.

13:46 I've said, if you're going to trade Brogdon, you're going to do it for a guard.

13:49 Who's it going to be?

13:50 Well, Drew Holliday is suddenly available.

13:51 We didn't know that he was going to be.

13:53 And the other part of this, and Ev, I have said this ever since the moment market smart

13:57 was traded, and I got a lot of pushback from you and from others about this.

14:02 I am not certain that Brad Stephenson company, that front office is sold on Derek White starting

14:08 point guard.

14:09 I think they love Derek White.

14:10 Don't get me wrong, but I don't think they are sold on him being the starting point guard

14:13 for this team, which again, just adds another layer of credence to the possibility that

14:18 they could go out and acquire a Drew Holliday as far as whether or not they do this.

14:23 I think that some of what Abby just hit on is, is, you know, bringing up the, the potential

14:29 opt out a hundred percent in that, what that tells me is that if in fact a move happens,

14:34 and I'm not even saying it's likely, but if in fact a move happens, I think you're looking

14:38 at Brogdon, you're looking at Horford and I know Horford's a fan favorite.

14:42 He's an internal leader and all of that.

14:44 He's, you know, great, just a guy you want on your team, no doubt about it.

14:48 But when you start to think about the contracts and age and, you know, protections for Rob

14:53 Williams going forward, the fact that Holliday can go, you want to protect yourself as much

14:58 as you can and you want to have Rob under contract.

15:01 Horford contracts coming up and hell, he could come back and resign again if he wanted to.

15:07 And so, you know, if you're, if you're looking at that potential opt out situation with a

15:10 Drew Holliday, you can kind of recoup in that lane going forward.

15:15 Just another thing, another, you know, part of this to consider.

15:18 I just wonder if in fact, you know, to, to, I don't know, put, put a little bow on this,

15:25 Abby.

15:26 I wonder how satisfied the front office is with the makeup of this roster that is absolutely

15:30 a championship caliber roster, but do they feel the need to respond to what the Bucs

15:36 just did to where they now, all due respect to the Jays, it is now the Bucs that have

15:41 the best one-two punch in the entire NBA.

15:44 I, my response to that is I think that this front office led by Brad Stevens over the

15:58 past two seasons has shown they are not afraid to tinker, to make moves.

16:03 We saw deals at the deadline with Derek White two years ago.

16:08 And I agree with you in that no one on this roster aside from Jason Tatum and now Jalen

16:15 Brown due to his contract is untouchable.

16:19 And so I, I think that, and Brad said this when he was speaking to Gary Washburn, that

16:25 there is no question when you are the Boston Celtics, there is a sense of urgency every

16:31 season.

16:32 Their only goal is to win championships.

16:35 And I believe that Brad Stevens is going to do what he believes is necessary to do that.

16:41 And he's not going to, and it's not that you don't care about people's feelings or that

16:46 he's worried about how Malcolm Brogdon feels and how he's going to play.

16:50 It's that you need to do what's best for your team.

16:52 Bill Belichick says it all the time.

16:53 I make decisions based on what is best for my team.

16:56 And I believe that that's what Brad Stevens is doing and the mentality that he has.

17:00 And he's not going to operate out of fear or intimidation from what is going on on the

17:07 outside.

17:08 Well, to your point about the emotion, I mean, he traded Kemba Walker, who, you know, is

17:13 just on a personal level.

17:14 I'm sure he didn't want to do.

17:16 He traded Marcus Smart, which again, I'm sure on a personal level, he didn't want to do.

17:20 I don't think Malcolm Brogdon next to those two guys is going to give him any pausa.

17:24 I do think Al Horford is one of his guys, though.

17:28 Yeah, I do want to push back on this, this trade idea, because we've talked about the

17:33 end, the lack of big man.

17:35 What, what is your solution there?

17:38 If you're going to go trade for Drew holiday and you're going to trade away Al Horford,

17:42 what is your solution to that problem?

17:44 Because there's not a lot of big guys walking around here.

17:47 Just the slim pickings at this point.

17:49 What you can't again, how many times have you said on this show that it's risky to even

17:55 go into this season with those three guys, if we were talking last week about, all right,

17:59 so who's the fourth?

18:00 You still need, right?

18:01 So I'm going to, I'm going to press you on this because again, I, I get what you're saying

18:06 in terms of like, look, they, they clearly want to, you know, they've been talking about

18:10 it since June.

18:11 This is something they probably really want to do.

18:13 And I think we all can agree that drew holiday is maybe a better fit than, than Malcolm Brogdon

18:18 this team.

18:19 I don't understand why create another problem to solve what is again, maybe not even an

18:27 issue.

18:28 Maybe we're fine.

18:29 We haven't, we don't know because Bragdon hasn't spoke yet, but maybe it's not an issue

18:31 anymore and we've moved on past and everything was going to be fine.

18:35 Well, so as well, as far as that ladder point, I don't expect Malcolm Brogdon to open up

18:41 about, you know, he's not going to go in depth about his feelings.

18:45 What if in fact he's here on media day and taking questions about all of this, he's again,

18:50 consummate professional been around a while, played for multiple organizations.

18:53 He's going to say all the right things.

18:54 He's not going to anticipate a James Harden moment of correct.

18:59 Yeah.

19:00 He, he may say like I, I, the furthest I could see him taking it would be, you know, yeah,

19:06 it was a little hurt, but you know, that, that after winning sixth man of the year and

19:10 all that we achieved last year, that, that my name would be in trade talks, but that's

19:13 the business like that.

19:15 That is the extent that I could hear him going with it.

19:17 He's certainly not going to say I was pissed or I am pissed.

19:21 I continue to be pissed.

19:23 Even if he is, he's not going to say it.

19:24 He's not going to even allude to it or acknowledge it in any way, shape or form.

19:28 So and, and who could blame him as far as very valid pushback on the bigs.

19:35 Absolutely.

19:36 And I don't have an answer to that.

19:37 And maybe that is the better reason for why a deal doesn't happen versus, you know, anything

19:43 that we're talking about with guard concerns as it relates to Brogdon or white or not enough

19:51 for many years have, have piecemeals that big rotation and not a place that they really

19:58 put an emphasis on spending.

20:00 So there are, I'm sure there are solutions and that is why I'm back in my quarter.

20:06 I like this.

20:07 The guys in the front office get paid the big bucks.

20:08 They know the answers.

20:09 We don't have to have those answers.

20:10 Is Nick Cornette available?

20:11 He is.

20:12 He's on the roster still.

20:13 I just need to be able to play.

20:14 He's going to be out there.

20:15 You know, they've had, they've had some issues, you know, amongst their frontline the past

20:23 couple of years, right?

20:24 I know they piecemeal together to, you know, relatively good success, but they kind of

20:29 got their ass kicked in the finals by Draymond Green and Kevon Looney whenever he played.

20:35 And then, you know, when we go to the Eastern conference finals, again, one of the things

20:39 that we've talked about in terms of why didn't it work is because Boston doesn't have anybody

20:45 on the interior that can score.

20:47 A lot of their, their scoring comes from perimeter players.

20:51 And it's not like Al Horford is a guy that's going to sit on the block and go to work,

20:54 but you know, he's more of a perimeter player at this point of spot of three points, shoot

20:58 every once in a while.

20:59 If he has an opportunity on the block, he'll go after somebody, but you know, how about

21:02 this?

21:03 Let's flip it this way.

21:04 And let's not forget, by the way, Al Horford forgot how to shoot in the playoffs last year.

21:07 And that was, his legs were done.

21:09 His legs were tied.

21:10 I'm not, I'm not raising the man for conditioning.

21:12 He all of a sudden couldn't shoot anymore at the end of last year.

21:16 And he's only going to be a year older this year.

21:18 Forget how to shoot though.

21:19 I'm not, I'm I'm just, that's not the right way to play.

21:22 I'm like Malcolm Brogdon.

21:24 I'm like Malcolm Brogdon.

21:25 He still had good mechanics with his shot.

21:27 He just couldn't physically jump off the ground anymore.

21:30 You try to guard trouble.

21:31 Keep going with your, with your point.

21:32 Get me to lift on his jumper.

21:36 No, because you're an innocent bystander.

21:38 You're not waiting on this part.

21:39 That's what it feels like.

21:40 Yeah.

21:41 So you're perfectly fine, but when, when Abby talks about them, piecemealing, piecemealing

21:49 this in the past, I mean, Ev let's let's, so let's think about the transactions this

21:53 summer.

21:54 Okay.

21:55 They traded a guard.

21:56 They created a problem being thinner in my mind of problem.

21:58 Anyway, maybe the organization doesn't feel this way, but a problem being thinner at guard

22:03 in dealing away.

22:05 Marcus smart obviously creates an opportunity for Peyton Pritchard and all of these guys

22:08 that we've talked about in the past, but you move a guard to acquire a big, a big that

22:12 you didn't have on the roster.

22:14 So you bring in Chris haps for Zingas.

22:16 If you ship out Al Horford, other than health concerns and all of that stuff that we've

22:20 talked at nauseam about just in terms of the physical number of people and hoping and praying

22:26 they can stay on the floor.

22:28 What's the difference.

22:30 You're losing Horford.

22:31 You're bringing in holiday.

22:36 Even last season, there was a glut at guard.

22:38 There was, there were too many guards.

22:40 Peyton Pritchard couldn't get on the floor.

22:43 Right now we're just back to square one where they have too many guards, not enough bigs.

22:47 Again, we have argued on this show that although it hurt all of us to nth degrees to trade

22:55 Marcus smart from the Celtics to Memphis, I still haven't properly.

23:00 I just don't think about it often, to be honest with you.

23:05 I don't have Marcus's number, but I feel like if I did at least once a week, I would text

23:12 him the, the John Cusack, you know, gift of allow, hold him over.

23:20 Yeah.

23:21 Yeah.

23:22 Just basically anything to tell him that we still love him.

23:24 You potentially solve the problem by bringing in Chris tabs, who's, you know, a pretty unbelievably

23:30 offensive powerhouse that, you know, center.

23:33 So again, by reverting back to getting another guard and trading a big way, you now can go

23:39 back to the same problem you had before you made the Porzingis trade.

23:43 So again, you haven't really solved anything.

23:45 Again, I think, you know, as, as, as we go through all of this, I just don't think it

23:49 makes a lot of sense to get your holiday considering what they would have to do to get him.

23:53 Again, we all love Drew holiday in various levels, but Boston cannot afford to deal away

23:59 Rob or Al in this situation to get, again, maybe a starting point.

24:05 I mean, I definitely starting point guard, but again, I believe in Derek white.

24:08 So I say maybe just because I think Derek can handle the opportunities.

24:12 I just think they are already thin at that spot.

24:16 They have enough guards to get by again, as I think Ramona said in her, her three minute

24:21 ESPN segment, they do plan on having Jason Tatum potentially run more point guard.

24:25 So again, there's an idea that he could use him as the quote unquote one in the offense.

24:30 I just, I don't, I don't, I don't think it makes a lot of sense to trade Horford away

24:33 to get, to get drew holiday who could be leaving shortly.

24:36 So I don't know.

24:37 So just so it's on the record, Malcolm Brogdon, now Horford and picks are traded away for

24:41 drew holiday.

24:42 And I don't know, maybe some backup center we've never heard of.

24:46 And that just, that's how it all comes together.

24:48 The Celtics make the move.

24:49 You're out bad trade.

24:50 Depends on that big, but I'm out.

24:52 Yeah.

24:53 I'm out.

24:54 I don't disagree.

24:55 I think that a player of Drew, of Drew's caliber at the right price, you bring them in.

25:04 Why?

25:05 Who says no?

25:06 I mean, I'm going to find out because I believe the Celtics are very much in this conversation.

25:13 So I think we're going to find out who says no.

25:15 Evan apparently.

25:16 Yeah.

25:17 I mean, again, depending on the big coming back of the big guy, the bad, right.

25:21 Don't do it.

25:22 I, I, again, we have to trust Brad.

25:25 We're texting markets.

25:26 He's texting Brad.

25:27 It's all, you know, Brad's done really well on the job.

25:29 I just, I don't think I would have a lot of concerns that I already have.

25:34 They would just be exaggerated about, you know, the, the big man rotation.

25:39 This team's going to throw on the floor.

25:40 And especially because you have Joel and beat and Giannis and Brooke Lopez and bam at a

25:44 bio all in your conference.

25:47 Here's what I know.

25:48 I know that Brad is now looking at the title odds and saying, we're not the favorites anymore.

25:56 It was nice.

25:57 Well, it lasted.

25:58 We're not the favorites anymore, but you can look, you can look at all the odds on your

26:02 favorite.

26:03 What's that?

26:04 Brad wants to be considered the favorite.

26:07 Ah, I mean, do we think, you know, Brad better than we do, obviously.

26:10 Do we think Brad cares?

26:11 Like do we one way or the other, if you know, if his team is the favorite, if his team is

26:16 the quote unquote underdog, even though, even if you're second, you're still not an underdog,

26:20 but do you like, do you think it even registers with Brad?

26:23 I think he's aware of it, but no, I don't think it factors into any decisions that he's

26:29 making.

26:30 He was a head coach of Butler.

26:32 That team was never favored to do anything.

26:33 I think he relishes being the underdog.

26:35 I to be Frank here, Kaufman, I don't think he was an actual underdog.

26:40 That team was amazing as they, as they beat our Syracuse orange, the sweet 16.

26:45 I'll never forget that as long as I live.

26:47 That was a tough one to watch because I had never heard of Butler until that game.

26:50 So it is what it is.

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27:35 What he did not mention though, NBA title odds, Milwaukee Bucks at plus 360, your Celtics,

27:42 plus 500, Suns are at plus 550, of course, led by Durant and Booker among others.

27:50 And Denver, what's that?

27:52 Bradley Beal.

27:53 Yeah, without a doubt.

27:55 Denver Nuggets, the defending champs, by the way, at plus 650.

27:59 So they have the fourth best title odds.

28:00 And then you have a drop off to the likes of the Lakers, the Warriors and so on and

28:04 so forth.

28:05 So Patrick Johnson had a tweet that said basically the same thing.

28:10 I mean, obviously had the Lakers much higher, but yeah.

28:14 So do you believe that the Milwaukee Bucks after this move and what's still a very deep

28:20 roster, so is the Celtics.

28:21 I know it's why the odds are not wildly different between the two, but the Bucks are the favorites

28:26 that they deserve to be the betting favorites.

28:27 Is this the best roster in the NBA as of this moment?

28:31 The ABA?

28:32 NBA.

28:33 Come on.

28:34 I'm confused.

28:35 I'm excited.

28:36 I think my new one out there for a second.

28:41 I was sure it was like that.

28:42 I gotta get Jackie Moon's movie off the shelf here.

28:45 It's back.

28:46 It's back.

28:47 Semi-pro.

28:48 I see it.

28:49 It's right over there.

28:50 Oh, thanks.

28:51 Well done.

28:52 I am not going to bet against the Celtics.

28:57 We have seen them make it to the Eastern Conference Finals.

29:00 How many years out of how many years in a row?

29:02 Five out of seven.

29:03 Yeah.

29:04 And so, and what we haven't seen either team, the Street happened yesterday, and I know

29:12 that is our job, but on the floor, I want to see them on the floor.

29:15 I understand the thought process and the excitement of Giannis, this generational player working

29:21 with Damian Lillard and the pick and roll possibilities and all of it.

29:25 It is intoxicating, but we have not seen anything.

29:28 We haven't seen anything from them.

29:29 We haven't seen anything from the Celtics.

29:30 We haven't seen anything from the Suns.

29:32 So it is a wonderful time of year.

29:36 Everyone is a contender.

29:37 There is so much possibility out there, but the NBA, and it's one of the things that I

29:42 love about it so much, is that you just have absolutely no idea what is going to happen.

29:47 I mean, was it just last season that we walked into the year that the Nets with Kyrie Irving,

29:54 Kevin Durant, and James Harden, wasn't James Harden.

29:57 He had been traded away at that point.

29:58 But I mean, 18 months ago, the Nets were bona fide championship contenders, the team to

30:05 beat, and that just completely disintegrated in front of our eyes.

30:09 And so I am not going to pick a favorite.

30:15 I want to see it on the floor.

30:19 Call me wishy-washy.

30:20 No, it's fine.

30:21 I mean, listen, also, I'm not convinced that we have a finished product in terms of these

30:24 rosters either.

30:25 But go ahead.

30:26 I know, Ev, on our text thread that I'm sure Abby is so grateful to not be part of this

30:31 particular group thread.

30:32 Oh, definitely.

30:33 Ev, you expressed concerns about the Bucs.

30:36 Well, I just don't think it's a slam dunk, not to make it a basketball pun.

30:42 But yes, on paper, the Bucs are very formidable.

30:45 But I don't think this is a given that they're going to make the NBA finals.

30:48 I definitely don't.

30:49 I think, look, when you have a smaller point guard, as we found out firsthand, it's very

30:55 hard to win an NBA title with a small point guard.

30:59 And Dame is fantastic.

31:02 I'm not saying Dame isn't amazing.

31:04 He's incredible.

31:05 I just have a little fear because I've watched enough Celtics basketball and their small

31:11 guards over the years to know that it's not always a guarantee that an offensive scoring

31:16 threat from the point guard position is diminutive is going to guarantee you a final spot.

31:21 Dame is one of the best modern day guards that we've seen in the past 30 years.

31:28 But the thing is, again, I'm not convinced that Lopez has had some injury issues.

31:33 Chris Middleton has had some injury issues.

31:36 I'm not totally sold on the Giannis Dame pick and roll being this ridiculous thing.

31:41 I think you could make the same argument for Tatum Porzingis because Porzingis can actually

31:46 shoot it.

31:47 And Giannis isn't really a jump shot threat to me.

31:50 I know he brings other problems to the table, but I'm just not totally convinced that that's

31:53 going to be this huge problem.

31:55 But again, you have to roll the ball out and see.

31:58 Again, I think the problem that Milwaukee has is a similar problem to what the Sixers

32:05 have.

32:06 There's not a lot of guys on those teams that can guard Jaylen Brown and Jason Tatum collectively.

32:10 There just isn't.

32:12 So it might solve one problem, but it might create another.

32:16 I'm not convinced.

32:17 And then the Bucks have a first year head coach.

32:20 Again, I know the roster is talented and things can happen, but we've never seen him be a

32:25 head coach before.

32:26 So that's Adrian Griffin.

32:27 So it's not like it's going to be the slam dunk thing.

32:30 He's got to figure out other things on the fly.

32:32 A lot of expectations.

32:33 What do you want?

32:34 A first year head coach to take a team to the NBA Finals?

32:37 That doesn't happen.

32:38 I mean, it might have happened, but it doesn't happen all the time, Koffman.

32:43 No, of course it doesn't happen all the time.

32:45 But if your roster is talented, I mean, it probably happened more than once with like

32:49 LeBron or Steph teams, because if you have enough talent, if you have enough talent,

32:54 which clearly the Bucks do, and listen, I love the trade for them.

32:57 I love the team.

32:58 I do.

32:59 Obviously I root against them because I root for the Celtics, but I do love the team.

33:02 I love a lot of the personnel.

33:04 Love Dame already.

33:05 It's great to see him be in an environment where he has an actual chance to win because

33:08 it just never really came together in Portland.

33:11 One area that I will absolutely applaud or golf clap the Bucks management is you had

33:20 to do something, maybe not even at this grand a scale, but you had to do something in this

33:25 direction to appease Giannis because he was just, you know, he was at the point where

33:31 he was starting to hint, you know, if he was going to win another one, maybe it was going

33:35 to be somewhere else.

33:36 He was starting to give the help me out.

33:38 Not to, he wasn't going full blown Joel Embiid.

33:40 I can't do it alone, but he was, he was, he was teetering a little bit.

33:44 And so if you can make a move like this to ensure that you're keeping Giannis Antetokounmpo

33:48 still the best player in the NBA in Milwaukee.

33:51 Great.

33:52 Awesome.

33:53 Good for you.

33:54 I mean, two times Giannis who does not speak out often and certainly does not degrade his

34:01 franchise.

34:02 The two times he held his front office accountable, they, I mean, almost immediately made a move

34:08 the last time when they had to resign him as contractors coming up, they gave away a

34:11 bunch of picks for Drew holiday and that worked out.

34:14 It turned into a championship.

34:16 So I mean more power to Giannis and to that front office for being able to step up.

34:21 I think Miami getting so much criticism and all of this and all the guards that they let

34:25 it go away.

34:26 But the thing is they didn't have the assets to, to get these deals done.

34:30 And it's a matter of working with other teams, right?

34:32 You got to find Danny used to say that all the time it takes two.

34:36 And in these, much of these blockbuster superstar trades, it takes more than that.

34:40 It takes three teams to get something done.

34:43 And I think that this is one of the unique blockbuster deals that we've seen that everybody

34:48 kind of gets something.

34:50 And I do think we have to give credit to the blazers for not catering, pandering to their

34:56 superstar, Joe Cronin, who I mean, virtually an unknown, but to many casual fans in the

35:02 NBA holding out on his superstar, but still landing him in a place that, well, it's Milwaukee

35:09 is a bonafide championship contender and will be for the length of Damien's contract.

35:14 That's still there.

35:15 So I think it's, it's just a fascinating trade.

35:20 It's unfortunate that Dame is now here in the East, but I think that that was inevitable

35:24 anyway.

35:26 And it just gets me so excited for the season to come and to actually see basketball out

35:32 there on the floor and these superstars, what they can do and how they're going to make

35:35 it happen.

35:36 I'm just like the way that, you know, kind of right.

35:39 I like the direction we're starting.

35:41 So we're going to reward you.

35:43 We're going to put you on a contender.

35:44 You're going to be an NBA favorite now, but your punishment is you have to live in Milwaukee.

35:49 You have worse things.

35:52 I'm just happy that Milwaukee, you know, they have, they had, they had Kareem 50 years ago

35:59 now 50, 50 ish.

36:03 And then since then, what's it, Michael, Oscar Robertson too.

36:05 I mean, you know what I mean?

36:07 Like it's just, it's just not a lot there.

36:10 So Ray Allen, but you know, that's fair.

36:16 Ray Allen's a good one, but there have been a lot of like Giannis type bonafide, like

36:22 unbelievable once in a generation type superstars.

36:25 And what this does for Milwaukee is it keeps Giannis in Milwaukee.

36:29 And I'm, I'm just thrilled for the city of Milwaukee and built for bucks vans that they

36:32 get to root for Giannis for like the majority of his career.

36:36 You know, I don't like this.

36:38 This is me being selfish.

36:40 All this movement sometimes in the NBA of people love it.

36:43 I just don't.

36:44 I like when guys play on the same team for a long time and, and they, you know, you can

36:49 say like, you know, like us, me and Paul, I love the fact that Paul Pierce was basically

36:54 only a Celtic.

36:56 That's awesome.

36:57 I'm thrilled that Jason Tatum is probably going to be the next guy in that line.

37:01 You know, I, I like that.

37:03 And for Milwaukee for that, when I see it, but yeah, go ahead.

37:06 I'm confident, but I like the fact that Milwaukee is going to keep him and then add Dane to

37:10 this.

37:11 It's fantastic.

37:12 I mean, Miami's had a bunch of superstars come through there over the years.

37:15 I'm thrilled that Milwaukee is going to keep on.

37:17 That's great.

37:18 Yeah.

37:19 I mean, look, hopefully he's the next Dirk Duncan, Kobe, you know, Pierce is, you know,

37:26 to an extent, like you said, it just doesn't happen often in today's generation of free

37:31 agency and, and player driven trade movement and all of that, but we'll see, could happen.

37:36 Abby, before we do let you go though, you will be at media day.

37:39 We will not.

37:40 And so what, what are you most looking forward to other than trying to parse out some of

37:45 the Malcolm Brogdon drama?

37:46 Yeah.

37:47 See, I did not get to go to the Chris Stapps Borzingas welcome press conference.

37:53 So I am very excited to hear from him and especially with all of the injury issues that

37:59 he faced over the summer, Brad Steven says he's a hundred percent ready to go.

38:03 So I would, I'm excited to hear from him.

38:07 I have some questions for Jason Tatum that Kevin Hart ice bath thing was hilarious.

38:12 If you haven't watched it, I like to see that personality from Jason is something that we

38:18 don't get very often.

38:20 And I thought it was hilarious.

38:22 So I'm excited to see Jason and maybe even more open to, you know, the guy that we know

38:28 he is behind the scenes.

38:29 Jalen with his new big contract, we haven't talked to him much.

38:34 There are so many questions.

38:35 And then of course getting, getting some more time with Joe Mazzola, he and I, you know,

38:40 really bonded last season.

38:42 He's in a pod.

38:43 Yep.

38:44 I didn't like, I don't remember word for word, but it was something along the lines of, of

38:49 Kevin Hart saying, you know, they were just talking about the East and he said, well,

38:52 in the Sixers are going to be a threat.

38:54 And Tatum's like, are they?

38:55 All right.

38:56 It's like went in the locker room afterwards, told him good job.

38:59 He's like, good luck next time.

39:01 Is that what you said?

39:04 Yeah.

39:05 Yeah.

39:06 It's good to see more of that, more of that personality be, you know, shining through.

39:09 Obviously I don't know Tatum on a personal level.

39:12 You could speak to this, but I assume it's been there.

39:15 It's just now it's more outward.

39:17 We're obviously getting to see it more publicly, which, which is nice.

39:20 I think it's more comfortable is able to share those kinds of things.

39:24 I mean, that's a, I don't know Jason that well personally, but the, you know, those

39:29 are the flashes that you see on the bus and in the locker room and, and, you know, his

39:34 teammates love him and his teammates, Blake Griffin used to talk about how funny he was

39:38 and that Jason was the guy who would start a lot of the conversations.

39:40 They would have debates all the time about who's better, who's a, who's a bigger icon

39:45 or in the game of basketball and things like that.

39:47 And Jason was the one who sparked that a lot of the time.

39:50 Do you have anything to add?

39:53 I'm just so sad.

39:55 No Marcus, no grant, no Blake, no fun.

40:00 No.

40:01 Yeah.

40:02 Not as much fun.

40:03 It's always fun, but I don't know who I'm going to talk to all season.

40:07 That's what I'm worried about really.

40:09 Abby, Abby, you're going to have to be friends.

40:12 Yeah, that's true.

40:13 I put myself out there.

40:14 You really should be more outgoing.

40:17 Well, you get, is that a Colorado mug that you have there?

40:21 It sure is.

40:22 Buffalo.

40:23 I was going to say, I mean, you know, Derek White was at some bar in Colorado to watch

40:31 Derek White.

40:32 I haven't seen him in person without his hair.

40:33 No, I know.

40:34 Oh, there's so many things.

40:35 I know.

40:36 So you can just put them away.

40:37 Derek White will fill the void.

40:38 He's going to fill the void of the starting point guard.

40:39 And he's going to fill the void of the starting point guard.

40:40 And he's going to fill the void of the starting point guard.

40:41 And he's going to fill the void of the starting point guard.

40:42 And he's going to fill the void of the starting point guard.

40:43 And he's going to fill the void of the starting point guard.

40:44 And he's going to be, you know, the, I don't know, because you can't, it's hard to replace

40:48 Grant and all as much as he talks.

40:50 So it's going to be, it's going to be tough.

40:52 That's going to be a tough way to fill.

40:54 Starting point guard.

40:55 And this is something I should have said earlier.

40:57 You know, in the offense, today's NBA offense, how much does the starting point guard actually

41:04 have the ball in their hands?

41:06 And that's, and that's the beauty of Derek White is the quick, smart decision making

41:11 that that's the whole point of the point guard in this offense.

41:14 And that's something that we have seen him do at a very, very high level.

41:19 So starting point guard, new hairdo, let's go.

41:24 Love it.

41:25 Buff them up.

41:26 Colorado buffs, by the way.

41:28 Am I what are you loving all things Colorado buffs right now with the way this is going

41:34 to date me.

41:35 But when I was in college, the, it was the last time Colorado was actually good.

41:39 They played in the big 12 championship and then in the fiesta bowl.

41:44 And that was a grand time for me in college.

41:48 And yes, I'm very excited about the Buffaloes and Folsom field.

41:54 People actually getting to see it.

41:56 It's like one of the most beautiful stadiums in America.

41:59 Flatirons behind it.

42:00 It's a beautiful place.

42:02 I don't know why they can't recruit or why they couldn't recruit until Deon got there.

42:06 So really he's just introducing CU Boulder to the nation.

42:12 Reintroducing CU Boulder.

42:13 Coach Prime, he's got them on the map.

42:15 No doubt about it.

42:16 All right.

42:17 We're going to see what happens with these Celtics over the next few days.

42:19 Could another trade happen?

42:20 Could a trade happen an hour after we record this podcast?

42:23 Could a trade happen now?

42:24 Has anyone checked on Twitter?

42:25 Has anyone checked their notifications?

42:26 Is it already done?

42:27 Is it already happened?

42:28 I think we're good.

42:29 I think we're all right right now.

42:30 But who knows?

42:31 By the time the show is public, we may have to call Abby and Ray.

42:32 Thanks to Abby Chitt, of course, for hopping on with us.

42:39 We always enjoy her time.

42:40 She's from NBC Sports Boston right back on the sidelines this year.

42:43 Very much looking forward to that.

42:44 Evan Valenti, I'm Adam Kaufman.

42:47 Media Day.

42:48 It's coming.

42:49 We'll be able to either react to it or talk about trades that have taken place right before

42:53 it.

42:54 We will find out.

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