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00:00
My name is Greg Cuidar. I'm the co-writer and director of Sing Sing. It's a movie about
00:11
a theater program inside of a maximum security prison at Sing Sing, one of the world's most
00:16
infamous prisons. But the story is really about this group of people who found a community
00:22
through the arts on the stage. And we told it in a community way with the people who
00:29
really lived it alongside some of our world's greatest actors who share the same spirit
00:35
and heart. And some of these people are sitting right next to me.
00:39
Hey, I'm Paul Raci. I'm playing Brent, a teacher, Brent Bill, a teacher of the acting class
00:48
in prison. And I had such respect for him and some acting teachers that I've met in
00:56
my life. And I can't tell you how many times, on more than three separate occasions, one
01:04
of the men that actually lived the experience in prison told me, "You know, if I just met
01:08
this acting teacher or this program before I did what I did to end up in Sing Sing, I
01:15
wouldn't be here. I wouldn't have been here." And I know that's the truth. It's the truth
01:20
about my life because I met an acting teacher who opened me up. So it's a beautiful story.
01:27
This program changes lives. And there should be many, many more of them in prisons across
01:35
this whole country.
01:36
Hi, my name is Colman Domingo, and I'm an actor and producer on this beautiful film.
01:42
I play John "Divine G" Whitfield. And he is based on a very real human being that I've
01:50
become friends with. And a lot of it is his story, but it's also told in a succinct way.
01:56
And really, it's about brotherhood and friendship. And while they're putting on a play, while
02:01
they're both up for their parole board hearings, and seeing how these men navigate all these
02:08
feelings and conflicts, and look at how this Rehabilitation Through Theatre Arts program
02:14
has made a profound impact on their lives.
02:17
Yes, my name is Clarence Macklin. I play Clarence "Divine I" Macklin in the movie. And this
02:25
film really shines a light on a lot of the things that I had to live and I had to grow
02:30
through while I was in prison. And that's where I really found out what it really takes
02:37
to really be a man, to really stand up as a man. And I learned that through art, through
02:43
communication, through surrounding myself with individuals of a like mind. And I found
02:49
this program, and I found these people in it, and the volunteers that are involved are
02:54
amazing. And they saw me as a human being and not a convict. And that changed the relationship.
03:01
That changed our relationship because of how you see me.
03:04
Well, I mean, when I first got introduced to the program, it was because I had gone
03:10
into a prison for the first time. And all of my expectations, largely driven a lot by
03:16
the movies I had seen about prisons, were completely flipped on their head when I saw
03:20
the beauty and humanity and the complexity and the nuance of the people I met there.
03:27
It just happened to begin a very long journey to finally gain the credibility to tell it.
03:34
It was over seven and a half years that we worked on this project, becoming volunteer
03:40
teachers, teaching acting within the program. And then really when it truly opened up was
03:46
in meeting Clarence and Divine G and together telling the story and then Coleman coming
03:53
in and this really open collaborative process where we all figured out where to take it
04:01
to what we call the arrow shot through the world with my creative partner Clint Bentley.
04:07
You just try to do justice to the feeling first and then see where it guides you if
04:13
you remain open and present to it.
04:15
Well, the relationship is pretty spot on with the relationship with me and Divine G in prison.
04:21
The camaraderie that we shared began when he introduced me to the program, Rehabilitation
04:26
Through the Arts. He really got me into the program. He's a real good brother and he's
04:31
always thinking of other people and trying to help as much as he can without even thinking.
04:36
He's a real selfless person. He don't think about himself much. I think Coleman really
04:41
captured that in his performance. He really gave us a perfect Divine G. He did that.
04:48
Thanks man.
04:50
I appreciate that more than anything because I think there were times when some fellow
04:56
brothers who are in this film would say to me, "You act just like him." I had some beautiful
05:03
moments with him. I was able to sit across from him and have a meal and get to know him
05:06
instead of get to know this very complex human being who's gone through this ordeal in his
05:13
life but also who's also trying to do so much good for people.
05:18
I'll just add the tightrope of honoring a living character who's oftentimes there in
05:27
the next room on set but yet making a whole new creation at the same time. Coleman brought
05:33
so many other dimensions that maybe were somewhere deep down within Divine G. I always felt true
05:38
to the character but it explored it into whole new territories and elevated. These two, they
05:44
got some chemistry. They have some chemistry that they were just like, it was just magnetic.
05:51
Great scene partner. We can dance all over the place.
05:53
Oh yeah. Never over with us.
05:56
Never over.
05:57
There's always more to mine with this guy. I love it. The first thing they sent me was
06:03
this Esquire magazine article on the program at Sing Sing. I thought it was fascinating.
06:07
I thought, "What is this program?" You start to realize that all these guys love what I
06:13
love, especially Shakespeare or Shaw. I thought, "Oh, this is a very great way to explore emotion
06:22
and conflict and find yourself in story." I thought, "This is really compelling."
06:27
Immediately, and then just meeting Clint and Greg, I thought they're the most kind and
06:34
open-hearted collaborators. I thought, "I think we can..." They wanted to invite me
06:38
in to play and invite me in and meet this guy. The first time we were on a Zoom, we
06:43
were just playing. They said, "Oh, we're going to create something together, like the
06:47
way you do on the playground." I think we have an idea about something. As long as we
06:52
put all of our hearts and minds and energy towards it, we can create something new and
06:56
impactful. Even though it was built, the entire way that it's been built was equitable for
07:03
everyone and everyone felt like they had a voice and they were a true partner in the
07:06
experience.
07:07
For me, playing the acting teacher, Brent Beal, who I was on the set for the whole shoot.
07:16
Before I got there, he sent me a manuscript of everything that he'd ever written and
07:21
talked about with these guys. He's an amazing human being, far more than I think of myself.
07:30
He's a real role model. Watching him interact with all the guys that he'd worked with in
07:36
this prison system, it just gave me a real feel for his humanity, his love of not only
07:44
the art, but finding the art that lives inside each human being that he worked with. He's
07:49
a fantastic guy. I'm just so proud to have been on that set with him. He's a great man,
07:55
a great man.
07:56
It feels really gratifying. It feels like the message that we're really trying to get
08:01
out is that there's human people inside these prisons. I think that's the message that's
08:06
getting out. I think that more people that see this will see that there's a more human
08:11
quality to individuals who you might cast off and just write off as worthless. There's
08:18
human inside them. There's a man in them and you can wake them up. Art is the perfect tool
08:22
to do it.
08:23
How many days was it? 18 days to shoot this?
08:26
19 days to shoot this. I shot for 16 of those days. You knew you had to just be on the money
08:32
and bring everything you had. I think even the way, I'll say I applaud the producers
08:39
and everyone who came on board to support this. It was done in a way that it had to
08:47
be really close to you and really organic. Our settings and the decommissioned prisons
08:54
in upstate New York, everything about it, even the fact that the guy who plays Mike
08:59
Mike, Sean San Jose, actually, instead of him going into a hotel room, I was like, "Stay
09:03
with me." We were roommates throughout. We would leave our hotel room as roommates and
09:10
then go and be roommates on set. It's very organic and beautiful, but I love that that
09:17
was the heart and spirit behind it because we knew it had to feel that authentic and
09:21
we had to honor these stories that we've been blessed to be a part of.
09:25
I think a lot of the highlights for me happened off scene, off camera. It was just the fun
09:31
that we was having all throughout.
09:33
My break dancing?
09:34
Yeah, the break dancing. The singing old songs. All the old songs we sang.
09:40
Yes, exactly.
09:41
You know the most old songs.
09:42
Exactly.
09:43
Those are all highlights. It was a great experience from beginning to end. I really hated to
09:50
end. It was great.
09:53
Yeah, for me, getting to know these guys off camera was fascinating. I would just say,
09:59
"So how did you end up here?" Some of these stories were horrific. Horrific. Couldn't
10:04
even believe it, what I was hearing. Here we are doing these. There's one scene we did.
10:08
There's an elaborate scene where we're walking through and everybody has to come up to me,
10:13
all these guys. It was an intricate, complicated scene and these guys have not done hardly
10:22
any acting at all on camera. It was awesome. It was just improvising and being real. These
10:29
guys are really good actors.
10:33
It was a hard movie to talk about when you invite people in. It's very meta. It's a
10:39
movie based on a real program. Oftentimes for the alumni who are in it, it's like, "You're
10:43
going to come in. We're doing a play that you did 15 years ago when you were at Sing
10:47
Sing, but it's also a movie. You're playing a character in the play, but you're also playing
10:51
a version of yourself. There's fiction scenes, but then there's documentary scenes." Then
10:57
they just start to be like, "Let's just go there and we'll see what it's like."
11:03
The best moments for me were when we would just set the camera up and venture a question
11:10
into a circle and people would speak from their own experiences of just the things that
11:14
you never could write. You could only bring that kind of poetry if you had lived it, if
11:21
you had walked it. That's what I'm most excited for people to see.
11:25
[Music]
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(music fades)
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