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In the latest episode of the Bob Ryan and Jeff Goodman Podcast, Bob and Gary discuss Team USA's defeat in the FIBA World Cup, the future of the center position in the NBA, and reacting to the latest Top 30 All Time NBA list from ESPN!  0:00 Teaser 0:24 Intro 1:32 Team USA falls in FIBA World Cup 3:37 International basketball thriving is good for the NBA 5:08 Basketball's best centers are all international products 10:06 Reacting to ESPN's Top 30 Players All Time 15:18 FanDuel Sportsbook 16:02 10:06 Reacting to ESPN's Top 30 Players All Time Cont'd 24:39 Thoughts on Tom Brady's return to New England for ceremony 31:06 Outro  This episode of the Bob Ryan & Jeff Goodman Podcast with Gary Tanguay is brought to you by FanDuel Sportsbook, the exclusive wagering partner of the CLNS Media Network. NEW customers can bet $5  and get $200 in BONUS BETS – GUARANTEED. Plus, all customers who bet $5 will get $100 OFF NFL SUNDAY TICKET from YouTube and YouTube TV. Now is the best time to join FanDuel! The app is easy to use and you can be on everything from spreads to player props and more! So, visit  https://FanDuel.com/BOSTON and kick off the NFL season with an offer you won’t wanna miss.  21+ and present in MA. First online real money wager only. $10 first deposit required. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable bonus bets that expire 7 days after receipt. Restrictions apply. See terms at fanduel.com/sportsbook. Hope is here. GamblingHelpLineMa.org or call (800)-327-5050 for 24/7 support. Play it smart from the start! GameSenseMA.com or call 1-800-GAM-1234. NFL Sunday Ticket Offer ends 9/18/23. No refunds. Terms and embargoes apply. $100 off NFL Sunday Ticket, not YouTube TV. YouTube TV base plan required to watch YouTube TV. Redemption requires a Google account and current form of payment. Commercial Use Excluded. Subscription renews; cancel anytime.

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00:00 You know, I mean, the game has just, and quite frankly, I think the NBA has benefited from

00:04 it.

00:05 I think with the Yokach's of the world, I think there's at times a more fundamental

00:10 product coming out of Europe.

00:11 I think it's better for the NBA.

00:12 I think it's better for the game overall.

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00:23 All right, it's that time again.

00:25 Bob Ryan, Jeff Goodman, again, taking the day off along with Tangway, along with the

00:29 Ryan podcast.

00:30 One of my old classmates, Dan Smith, up in Maine is the executive producer and chief

00:35 engineer of this show.

00:36 Bob, tell everybody where you are and what's in the background.

00:39 I mean, I know where it is, but what is it?

00:42 That is Web Lake, which is located in, I would say, West Central Maine.

00:46 It's about 20 miles from Farmington.

00:49 And of course, it's in the greater Mexico area, as anyone should know.

00:53 And this is where we're spending a good deal of time this summer.

00:57 And I'll be here for another week or two, a week or so.

01:01 And that's the background.

01:02 The lake is, this is where we're sitting.

01:04 I'm looking right out at the lake.

01:06 And every day, it's a very bucolic spot.

01:11 And it is one of the best kept secrets.

01:13 And hopefully, we'll keep it that way.

01:16 But Western Maine is gorgeous.

01:17 And Danny, thanks a lot for the help.

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01:31 All right, Bob, you're following the US World Championships.

01:35 USA lost.

01:36 Your thoughts on that and what does it mean for the program?

01:38 Well, we sent a B+ team.

01:43 And we paid the price.

01:47 We lost to Germany today by two points.

01:48 We were down 10 points late, made a fireman finish, didn't make it.

01:54 Lost by two.

01:55 We lost 11-1 on nine, something like that.

01:57 Germany has NBA players.

02:00 You'll love this, Gary.

02:01 24 points today out of Daniel Tice.

02:04 He was 10 for 15 from the program.

02:07 Our old friend in Celtics, Daniel Tice, was a star today.

02:10 Of course, you have the Wagner brothers, Franssen, Mertz, and of course, Dennis Schroeder, who

02:16 was a prominent again.

02:18 We had played Germany in the run up in Abu Dhabi.

02:23 That game was televised.

02:24 I watched the whole thing a couple of weeks ago.

02:26 We were down 16 points in the third.

02:28 We made a big comeback and we won going away.

02:31 And I wondered when it was over, should I be happy or sad about that?

02:36 And how do I feel about that?

02:37 And it turns out I should have been sad.

02:40 It was a real omen.

02:41 And we struggled.

02:42 Of course, we already lost to Lithuania on the way, but we made it to the medal round.

02:50 We wowed Italy in the preceding game, and now we pay the price.

02:54 We lost to Germany, who will play, by the way, Serbia, who beat Canada, who I thought

02:59 had a team that had a real shot at it.

03:01 And the thing about Serbia, you don't know who any of these people are because Djokic

03:06 didn't even play.

03:08 And Serbia remains for 30 years, going back to when it was one of the republics that made

03:14 up the old Yugoslavia.

03:16 Serbia has been a power in international basketball for over 30 years, and it remains so.

03:23 And congratulations to them.

03:24 I think it's wonderful that they beat the two great North American powers.

03:28 I mean, Canada was loaded.

03:29 They had everybody they should have except them.

03:31 Bob, I know you're sad, but let me see if I can help you out a little bit here.

03:35 I'm going to be the optimist.

03:37 Isn't it cool that it's an international game?

03:40 I mean, you know, I mean, the game has just, and quite frankly, I think the NBA has benefited

03:45 from it.

03:46 I think with the Jokic's of the world, I think there's at times a more fundamental product

03:52 coming out of Europe.

03:53 I think it's better for the NBA.

03:54 I think it's better for the game overall.

03:55 I mean, let's face it, you know, look, I'm as patriotic as the next guy.

04:00 But when it comes to the nationalism, because of the world is so small, it's kind of not

04:03 the same.

04:04 OK, you're right.

04:05 Oh, I'm the first to argue that, you know, I've been trying to explain to people for

04:10 a long time that how the Dream Team was created, why it was created, had nothing to do with

04:16 our desire to avenge the loss in Seoul in '88.

04:19 It was all about the head of SPIBA who wanted to, you know, raise the bar for the rest of

04:28 the world.

04:29 They're shown where they have to be.

04:30 And that was the derivation of enticing the Americans to come in the Olympics in '92

04:37 with the big so-called Dream Team.

04:39 Oh, I'm happy.

04:40 Every year, there's over 100 quote unquote internationals on NBA rosters.

04:46 And as you said, Germany has got four guys who were prominent in beating us today are

04:50 NBA players, you know, and one of them is going, I think, Franz Wagner is a star in

04:54 the making.

04:55 And so good luck to them.

04:56 I'm happy for them.

04:57 I know.

04:58 As I said, you know, I still root for us.

04:59 I want us to win.

05:00 Here's the thing, one big takeaway that was driven home in the loss to Lithuania.

05:08 The great big men of the world are all developed outside the United States.

05:14 Are we paying a price?

05:15 Now this is a two-edged sword here.

05:18 I'll play the background.

05:20 Are we paying a price for the fact that our big men are no longer bred to be big men?

05:24 That they're all supposed to be standing out there shooting threes?

05:26 They're supposed to be stretching the floor?

05:28 That they're not pivot-oriented players anymore?

05:31 They're not low-post aircraft carriers as the late Al McGuire would say?

05:38 Lithuania out-rebounded us badly.

05:40 They tortured us inside.

05:42 And concurrently, Garrett, they hit their first nine threes.

05:47 That's in the game that we lost to Lithuania.

05:49 Germany, now we were 12 for 25 on threes ourselves today.

05:52 We can't, you know, that's okay, you know, fine.

05:56 But our inside game was lacking.

05:58 And here's the two big men that we had on the team.

06:02 Jaron Jackson Jr., who was the defensive player of the year.

06:04 And that's his forte, blocking shots and clogging the lane.

06:07 He's a social offensive player.

06:10 And Walker Kessler, who I believe got a DNP today.

06:13 He was a rookie, you know, and he's a shot blocker, not noted for his offense.

06:19 That was our so-called big men.

06:21 The cry went up immediately after the Lithuania loss.

06:24 We better entice newly crowned American citizen Joel Embiid to be joining us in Paris next

06:31 year if we think we're going to win and avenge this and win in Paris.

06:36 Big men, we are not developing proper big men anymore.

06:40 And the rest of the world seems to find balance.

06:42 As I pointed out, Lithuania hits nine threes in a row and then they beat us with the big

06:45 men.

06:46 I mean, that's modern basketball.

06:47 >> Well, and that's basketball though, because I miss the big man.

06:51 >> Oh, I do too.

06:53 >> I miss the big man.

06:54 >> Look at who the big men are in the world.

06:57 You know, Joe Kitsch, of course, is one and Embiid, of course, is from Cameroon, but we've

07:00 now put him under our umbrella.

07:03 And Giannis is from Greece.

07:04 He didn't even play in this tournament.

07:06 And he's not a center of all, of course, but he's the main big man.

07:11 We got other Central Europeans.

07:13 I can never get them all straight.

07:15 You know, they're all in it with the sea and the Lucianis.

07:19 Oh my God.

07:20 Anyway, America's lacking in this kind of thing.

07:22 And Carl Anthony Towns, who by the way, is Canadian.

07:26 No, no, no, no, he's not.

07:28 But he should have been on this team too.

07:30 So anyway, we have to think about the roster composition now in terms of Paris, the Olympics.

07:37 We've qualified.

07:38 This team qualified us, by the way.

07:39 That was their job.

07:40 You know, the number one job is make sure you qualify for the Olympics.

07:44 And the second way, yeah, oh, that's okay, win that so-called world championship.

07:48 Now you know that the international people are hoping to make the world championship

07:54 more important than the Olympics.

07:56 And that's their goal.

07:57 And the rest of the world, they've always cherished the world championships on all sports.

08:02 You know, they're much more important in all sports than Americans realize.

08:06 Americans only think in terms every four years of Olympic sports.

08:09 And meanwhile, all these world championships go on and all these different sports, which

08:12 are very, very valued by the rest of the world and not so valued by Americans who think only

08:17 of the Olympics.

08:18 That's another story for another day.

08:20 And it's not a basketball topic.

08:22 Okay.

08:23 So anyway, we're out going gang.

08:25 It's going to be Serbia versus Germany for the World Basketball Championship on Sunday.

08:31 And Bob Ryan will be watching somewhere.

08:33 I don't know.

08:34 I may not be in a position to watch.

08:38 But anyways, I will be in neutral though.

08:41 I will salute whoever emerges.

08:43 They will have my admiration.

08:46 Bob, was there some player that you saw, because you have a great eye for this.

08:52 Was there some unknown or unknown to you that you've seen during this international play

08:57 where you went, "Oh, who's this guy?"

08:59 Well, I appreciate that.

09:03 Not that that didn't happen this time, but we did have one revelation on the American

09:06 team, which is a continuing revelation.

09:08 And it was important again today.

09:11 Austin Reeves is a player.

09:13 The Lakers have some.

09:15 And we found that out in the playoffs last year.

09:18 I mean, a year ago at this time, raise your hand out there, people, if you knew who he

09:22 was, if you ever heard of him.

09:24 You'd have to be a big college basketball fan to even have known who Austin Reeves was.

09:28 I didn't know him myself.

09:32 So this came out that we got to put that.

09:36 That's the one American star that emerged.

09:38 The best player was Anthony Evans throughout.

09:41 Other than that, we had a lot of disappointment.

09:45 But we had a team with Bobby Portis.

09:47 Bobby Portis, no offense, but if he's on your American team, come on.

09:53 This is a B plus for B team at best.

09:56 And we paid a price.

09:58 You're wearing the shirt, I believe, is that an Around the Horn shirt?

10:01 Yes, it is.

10:02 Now in our 22nd year.

10:05 Amazing.

10:06 So on the mothership, ESPN, they have the all time top 30.

10:11 And we're going to let Bob Ryan have fun with this.

10:14 What do you got?

10:15 Well, I was skeptical when I found out that there was such a thing, because the way that

10:21 the turn of the 20th century voting went, if you want, to pick the greatest athletes

10:29 of the 20th century, and Bill Russell wound up 18, I think, right away, I said, stop it

10:35 right now.

10:36 I got to take more than a 20 second full time out.

10:39 And most of these lists are, I think, ignorant.

10:43 This list, I like to know, I'll tell you, this list of the top 30 players, now, and

10:50 it is supposed to be all encompassing, and you'll see who's number 28.

10:54 Although I'm just looking at this.

10:58 Yeah, it's a better list than I would have expected.

11:02 For example, here's the top 10.

11:05 Ready?

11:06 Michael, number one, LeBron, number two, Kareem, number three, Magic, four, Wilt, five, you

11:13 know, some will have to have last names, Russ, six, Larry, seven, Duncan, eight, that's one

11:20 I, you know, he doesn't go by Tim, Austin, nine, and Kobe, 10.

11:25 That tells you a lot about the NBA.

11:28 That by the way, my official top eight are, they have my official top eight, the orders

11:37 of it out.

11:39 But that's, I agree with that 100.

11:41 Yeah, I don't have a problem with that.

11:43 Oscar nine, I have no problem.

11:45 I might stick Kobe ahead Oscar, historic, I don't know.

11:48 But and then, and then, right?

11:49 Second 10, Shaq's at 11, Durant 12, Hakim 13, Dr. J 14, Moses Malone 15, Curry 16, Dirk

12:00 17, Giannis 18, Jerry West, I could have just said Jerry 19, and Elgin 20.

12:07 Hmm, that's a little different.

12:10 I think it's good.

12:11 Shaq's gonna be down that list for me.

12:15 Well, you know how I feel.

12:17 I know.

12:18 That's a softball.

12:19 I'm gonna get to my two crusades.

12:20 You know, that's what the hell.

12:23 Shaq belongs in the top 20.

12:26 Right.

12:27 But he but Hakim has to be ahead of Shaq.

12:30 Of course he does.

12:31 And so does Durant.

12:32 And Durant should be ahead of us.

12:34 And Durant is the highest ranking contemporary player that's playing in the league today.

12:39 The only other one on the list right now is Giannis.

12:42 Well, you got LeBron, you got LeBron.

12:44 And LeBron, I'm sorry, LeBron.

12:46 That's a gift.

12:47 He's so historical.

12:48 It's walking history, obviously.

12:49 So LeBron's number two, we got three of the top 20.

12:53 We have three, two, three contemporaries.

12:55 You like Curry in there?

12:57 I damn well do.

12:58 I think he makes a hell of a case for the top 10.

13:04 I think, oh my God.

13:06 That's good.

13:07 But who would you take out of the top 10 for Steph?

13:09 Well, it would be, you know, the nine, nine, 10, 11.

13:13 Yeah, we got, we got Kobe, Oscar and Curry, frankly, in my opinion, in some order, in

13:19 some order.

13:20 And Curry's got to be in that discussion for a very simple reason.

13:23 And not only is, you know, the numbers, we all know how he is the most influential player

13:28 of this century, of this new century.

13:31 He's influencing basketball at every level all over America.

13:34 Every little kid, eight year olds are shooting threes.

13:36 Curry is the model.

13:37 I mean, whether I, you know how I feel about the three.

13:41 But it's here, it ain't going anywhere.

13:44 And he is the greatest exponent of it that we've yet known.

13:46 He's the greatest shooter of all time.

13:47 He's a great, and plus he can go to the basket at will too.

13:49 He's a great offensive player.

13:51 And I just think you can make a very strong case for him being as high as nine after Duncan,

13:56 where I think the cutoff line is clear and they got the right eight people.

14:01 I'm so pleased at the top eight.

14:04 You know, Magic Four and Larry, I always say Magic and Larry, it's a twin, two headed,

14:10 you know, they're Siamese twins.

14:11 Yeah, Siamese twins.

14:12 So, you know, I would, I would, you know, obviously I'd bump Russell up higher.

14:19 And I might even, what I often do is say, look, any description, any list of the top

14:25 10, and even the top five, you got to start with the three centers.

14:29 You got to start with them.

14:30 And then you go from there.

14:31 And you got to start with Russell, Wilton, Kareem, and then you draw a line and you go

14:36 from there because their job description is completely different than the other players.

14:39 That's very different.

14:40 You know, their job description is completely different.

14:44 And then you got LeBron and Mads and Michael as four or five.

14:47 And then the Larry, Larry, Magic, Magic, Larry are next and then Duncan.

14:52 And then we can start arguing because I'm not allowing for any, any dispute about who

14:56 the top eight are.

14:57 What would you say, what would you say to play devil's advocate because of the championships

15:04 he won because of the way he played the game?

15:08 And quite frankly, he was the franchise.

15:12 What would you say if someone wanted to argue Duncan above Magic and Larry?

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16:04 I would not dismiss that person as a fool at all.

16:09 I would respect that, that, uh, reasoning.

16:15 And I would just say, okay, and now it's not, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world,

16:18 but, uh, um, I think that those two guys, their impact was, well, the impact, forget

16:26 it.

16:27 I mean, look, he won more than Larry and we went three, um, you know, and that would be

16:34 an interesting argument, but he's worthy of the discussion.

16:37 I'm not going to dismiss anybody.

16:39 I never would have thought of it until you mentioned it.

16:42 Like when you mentioned, when you mentioned Larry Duncan, that's the first time I ever

16:46 thought of it.

16:47 Obviously Duncan got hurt because he was playing in San Antonio.

16:49 I mean, if he had been in New York and LA, you know, I think, and also he was not, he's

16:53 a very private person.

16:55 I mean, Duncan was not doing the endorsements.

16:57 He wasn't, I mean, he wasn't doing the whole commercial thing, you know, the way, uh, well,

17:02 the way Larry did and Magic did quite frankly.

17:05 Um, but I think that, um, your point about Magic and Larry, uh, and I don't know if this

17:12 enters into the qualification, but at the time, as we remember, the NBA was on tape

17:18 delay, you know, so you needed those two.

17:22 I, do you, do you want to go over your bottom the next 10?

17:26 I'll just go, keep going.

17:27 Just because, okay.

17:28 So from, uh, we've got the 20, 21 is Garnett, 22 is Charles, 23 is Carl Malone, 24 is Stockton.

17:37 Interesting.

17:38 They come as a, in the same cluster, which they should.

17:41 Uh, 25 is David Robinson, the Admiral, 26.

17:45 Ah, now I have a soapbox mounting again.

17:49 John Havlicek.

17:50 I'm frankly, I'll get to that.

17:52 27, Isaiah, 28, George Mikan, who last played in 1956 and 29, Chris Paul and 30, Dwayne

18:02 Wade.

18:03 No Dirk?

18:04 Dirk is way back up that top.

18:06 Dirk was 17.

18:07 Okay.

18:08 Sorry.

18:09 Okay.

18:10 Dirk was ahead of the others.

18:12 Now, um, those are all, you know how I feel about Carl Malone and that's Bob Bryant's

18:18 crusade.

18:19 And I don't, I, no one shares, you know, that might disdain for Carl Malone, but it's hard

18:23 to argue against the guy that scored all those points and had a reputation, had a nickname,

18:28 had an aura.

18:30 And I think he's overrated.

18:31 I I'm sorry.

18:32 And I think he owes about, you know, 25% or 50% of points to John Stockton.

18:37 Anyway, I think he was not a clutch player.

18:41 I think that, um, in a sense, I just think he doesn't belong in that list at all in the

18:48 top 30, but I understand that's a high, that is a oddball minority opinion that I harbor

18:54 that I'm out there.

18:56 I'm way out there.

18:57 And no, few people would agree with me.

18:59 The rest of that list.

19:00 Um, the second guy that I think is, I always thought he was a glorified three rather than

19:06 anything else.

19:07 Uh, and yet he's got the rings and, and it's a wonderful fellow and he was a dream teamer

19:14 and that's David Robinson.

19:16 I'm not crazy about David Robinson in this.

19:19 I want to go to dinner with him.

19:22 I want him to babysit my children.

19:24 You know, if I were, you know, had little kids, he's a wonderful, he's a great American

19:29 and he is, he's a tremendous person.

19:32 And as he's doing great things in life right now, that outside of basketball, he's an admiral

19:36 human being.

19:37 I just wouldn't put him in my top three players.

19:39 But that, again, that's a minority.

19:41 That's another distinct minority opinion.

19:44 Um, Mike is historically totally relevant.

19:49 The question isn't whether or not he'd be any good today.

19:52 The technical skills that he possessed, he'd be lucky to be a backup center.

19:56 I'll be honest with that.

19:58 He was a big lumbering, big man who shot hook shots and was a tough guy and was indefensible

20:05 and was responsible for the lane being broadened from six feet to 12 feet, as was Russell and

20:11 Wilk responsible for it going to 16.

20:14 But he was responsible for a very significant rule change because he was so dominant.

20:20 And he was, if you stopped anybody on the street in 1955 and said, name all basketball

20:27 players, one, there'd be two possibilities, George Mikan or Bob Cousy.

20:32 I'll lament Cousy's absence from this list.

20:35 And I'd be happy to replace Dwayne Wade with Cousy for historical reasons.

20:40 You know, but John Havlicek.

20:43 John Havlicek is falling through the cracks of history.

20:46 I'm glad that they acknowledged him at 28.

20:49 I wouldn't have been shocked if they forgot him.

20:52 But I'm going to tell you something right now that I believe firmly, that in the last

20:56 five years, it was roughly from 1968, 69 season on, when Oscar and Jerry, who came into the

21:05 league the same year, by the way, 1960.

21:07 So they're now entering the second, the last, you know, the more declining phase of their

21:13 careers.

21:14 It's still very good.

21:15 John Havlicek was better than them from that point on until he retired, until they retired,

21:21 respectively in '73 and '75.

21:24 He was better than them.

21:27 And he guarded both of them.

21:28 He played two positions, which they didn't.

21:30 He guarded both of them.

21:33 He did everything.

21:35 And John Havlicek's a top-rung player, frankly.

21:39 >> Well, I think if Oscar's there, Pondo's got to be there.

21:42 >> Right.

21:43 He's right in that cluster.

21:44 He's in that cluster.

21:45 >> Yeah, I mean, I mean -- >> It's not -- So, but believe me, I'm grateful

21:52 that these people, this -- I don't know who the voting body was, but I probably could

21:58 find out.

21:59 I shouldn't find out.

22:00 But I'm grateful that they at least acknowledged him to that degree.

22:03 But overall, Gary, I'm pleasantly surprised.

22:07 >> Not bad.

22:08 Not bad.

22:09 >> The quality of this.

22:10 And we're all going to have our individual foibles or our individual preferences, our

22:14 individual, you know, likes and dislikes.

22:17 And not everybody's going to agree with me.

22:19 And I'm sure there's somebody out there that has targeted someone, as I had targeted Carl

22:24 Malone, and will say, "Please, stop it," you know.

22:27 And that's fine.

22:29 But overall, it's a good conversational list.

22:32 I think it's interesting, you know, when you think about how things evolve and will evolve.

22:38 Obviously, there were three contemporary players you could go see tomorrow night that they

22:42 were playing on this list, LeBron, Durant, and Giannis.

22:45 Giannis is by far the youngest.

22:48 He's not 30 yet.

22:50 And how far up the list he might move if he continues to put this level, he'd have to

22:56 move up the list.

22:57 >> Right.

22:58 Yeah.

22:59 I mean, I don't see -- >> He may -- Giannis Antetokounmpo might move

23:03 up into the top 10 discussion, historically, if he keeps playing like this.

23:07 And the second guy, of course, is another where Djokic is going to wind up.

23:13 And Embiid, who I defend, if Embiid is going to continue to play like this, you're not

23:20 going to keep him out of any top 30, historically, as time goes on.

23:25 But these things always -- people have to fall out, you know?

23:27 I mean, I've lived through the 25th anniversary NBA team, the 50th anniversary NBA team, and

23:34 I voted for the 50th and the 75th.

23:37 And I'm proud to say that.

23:38 And, you know, and people have to -- sadly, people have to be displaced by newcomers.

23:44 It's going to happen.

23:45 But I predict that if we do this list in five years, Giannis, if he continues to play like

23:50 this, will be in that discussion, you know, 9, 10, 11, 12.

23:54 >> Yeah, I agree.

23:55 And you know why the list is put together, so we'll debate.

23:59 >> Well, that's the fun about this.

24:02 You're always going to piss somebody off.

24:04 You're always going to -- >> Oh, come on.

24:06 It's all about clicks, Bob.

24:07 It's all about clicks.

24:08 >> No, no, no.

24:09 It's like -- I listen -- I'm a big fan of Sirius XM, you know?

24:13 And they like to do voter lists of songs, top songs.

24:19 And some of them drive me crazy.

24:24 Like they did a Beatles list, you know?

24:25 And my favorite Beatles song, the first time they did it, it came in at like 65.

24:30 And that's things we said today, you know?

24:33 And I can't -- what kind of idiot people are these out there?

24:36 But anyway, but that's me.

24:39 And we all have our -- >> Well, Bob, I was going to ask you this

24:43 when we stop recording, but I'm going to just keep recording because I just legitimately

24:48 want to know.

24:50 Sunday is a really big day.

24:52 And depending upon when you've watched this, we're recording this before the Sunday Eagles

24:57 game and Brady coming back.

25:00 And I want to get two thoughts.

25:02 And I think people -- I want to go to football because I think people want to know what you

25:06 think about this because I want to know what you think about this.

25:09 First of all, just your thoughts on Brady coming back home and just kind of put a bow

25:16 on that.

25:17 And then secondly, is this it for Belichick?

25:22 >> I'm very pleased that Brady will come back in a completely celebratory manner and hope

25:27 we get the kind of welcome that -- equivalent of what Bill Russell -- they finally got around

25:32 to doing in 1999 with that tribute at the Garden of Bill Russell, which was trying to

25:38 make up for a lot of past wrongs, if you will, by not paying the proper homage to that person.

25:45 You can't thank Brady enough.

25:49 And I mean you.

25:50 You start with the owner.

25:53 You go to the coach, the one coach that he played for in New England.

25:57 You go to the media.

25:59 You go to the fans, all of us.

26:01 We can't thank him enough.

26:02 We can't thank him enough for what he gave us.

26:04 And there's no question he was as influential in a team's success at sport over a period

26:10 of time as anyone ever was.

26:13 You can argue he was number one, just for the sheer legitimacy of it all.

26:15 Your first championship coming in 2002 and your last coming in 2019.

26:19 There's never been anything like that in the history of the NFL.

26:22 And I think if we span other sports, we will find that 17-year gap will be a record.

26:32 I can't imagine.

26:35 So anyway, it's been a lot.

26:38 And he's never been on the news for the wrong reasons.

26:41 I mean, you may disagree with...

26:43 No, I mean, he's...

26:47 I'm happy to see him back.

26:48 I applaud it.

26:49 And I think it's going to be a good day.

26:52 As far as...

26:53 I'm worried about the team, though.

26:55 I think they're going to get shellacked.

26:56 Well, the team, they're going up against the Super Bowl, you know, the entry from the NFC.

27:03 On paper, still, are they not the consensus favorite in the NFC?

27:07 They got the great...

27:08 The new flavor of the month they have, it would deal in hertz.

27:14 And it's nice to see him come to our environment.

27:16 You know, yeah, they may...

27:20 It's going to be a real test.

27:22 This is like instead of getting a quiz, they're getting a final exam on opening day.

27:27 Yeah, I mean, but do you think Belichick has lost it?

27:30 Do you think coaching-wise, when it comes to the coaching and the front office of the

27:37 Patriots, have they lost their fastball?

27:40 Because I'm beginning to...

27:42 There's rumblings that this may be it.

27:45 And I think Robert was wanting him to get the Lombardi record.

27:48 I don't think it's going to happen.

27:51 I think the Belichick administration, and of course, he is arguably the greatest coach

27:55 of all time, I think the Belichick administration is at the crossroads here, big time.

28:00 I do, too.

28:01 And I think people are closing in on him in that regard.

28:04 And this is where, see, he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt that he deserves, maybe,

28:11 but some people... because now all that standoffishness, all that imperial behavior, all that condescension

28:19 could come back to haunt him once you're not producing the way people think you should.

28:24 And the thing is, there's two entities here.

28:28 It's the grocery shopper versus the cook.

28:34 And we still think...

28:35 I think we have faith in the cook.

28:38 It's the grocery shopping part of him that...

28:40 And thank you, Bill Parcells, for that analogy, by the way.

28:42 It's a wonderful thing.

28:43 I love it.

28:44 Because that's where we got that from Bill Parcells.

28:47 And Belichick's grocery shopping has been very suspect in those three years.

28:53 And it is him.

28:54 He has to find...

28:55 I don't care what personnel director, I don't care if it's Pioli, I don't care who it is.

29:00 Nothing happens without Bill Saison.

29:02 And hey, this is the menu that he's provided.

29:06 This is the meal he's provided.

29:08 And he's got the ingredients.

29:09 I mean, he's got to go cook it up.

29:11 And we'll see.

29:13 So I think it's not the coaching, the game coaching.

29:16 I don't think people question that so much as much.

29:19 Maybe I'm wrong.

29:20 Maybe they are more than I realize.

29:21 I think it's the team, the players, who are these guys?

29:25 And how's he put together this team?

29:28 So I think that's it.

29:30 But he still ultimately has a constituency of one.

29:33 You know that.

29:34 >>RAOUL PAL: Right.

29:35 >>GREGORY PAPA: And I can't see him bailing.

29:38 I think he's probably...

29:39 Bob Kraft may...

29:40 Now, this is rant speculation.

29:42 He may be, as you already alluded, hoping that Bill would ease himself out so that there's

29:47 no need ever to shove him, that he will walk out of the building and not get shoved off

29:54 the ledge.

29:55 That would be horrible.

29:56 >>RAOUL PAL: Well, you know something, Bob, as we wrap it up, because the sun is setting

30:01 behind you.

30:04 He's not...

30:05 That's not going to happen.

30:06 You know that as well as I do.

30:07 He'll coach...

30:08 He's what, 72, 73?

30:09 It's never going to happen.

30:10 >>GREGORY PAPA: To the best of my knowledge, what I'm about to say remains true.

30:15 I know it's been true for the whole time he's here.

30:17 He still loves every aspect of his job.

30:19 >>RAOUL PAL: He does.

30:20 And that's my...

30:21 >>GREGORY PAPA: He loves the entire 12 months of his job.

30:23 He even likes preparing for this rant.

30:25 He loves to go to the senior bowl.

30:27 He loves to look at the film.

30:28 He loves that.

30:29 He loves OTAs.

30:30 He loves practice.

30:31 He loves Sunday.

30:32 He loves Thursday night.

30:33 He loves Saturday.

30:34 And whatever day they give him to play, Monday night, he loves the games.

30:38 He likes everything.

30:39 And that includes...

30:40 And he doesn't even mind...

30:41 I think he has fun with the meeting.

30:44 My premise has always been that that's his personal amusement, is to mess with the meeting.

30:51 >>RAOUL PAL: Well, from what I read, he's single now, so what else does he have to do?

30:57 So just, unfortunately, I don't think it's going to end well, which is really too bad,

31:02 because that guy should be sent out...

31:07 He should be given a hero's soiree.

31:10 And unfortunately, I don't think it's going to happen.

31:12 Bob, enjoy the lake.

31:13 >>BOB RYAN, JR.: We shall.

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