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Brian Robb reunites with Rich Levine to discuss the latest surrounding the injury of Kristaps Porzingis and the Celtics other offseason moves. The guys then dive into the Celtics Fanduel odds for the upcoming NBA season including Jayson Tatum's MVP chances, Malcolm Brogdon, Joe Mazzulla and much more!  This episode of the Winning Plays Podcast is brought to you by Fanduel Sportsbook, the exclusive wagering partner of the CLNS Media Network. NEW customers can bet $5  and get $200 in BONUS BETS – GUARANTEED. Plus, all customers who bet $5 will get $100 OFF NFL SUNDAY TICKET from YouTube and YouTube TV. Now is the best time to join FanDuel! The app is easy to use and you can be on everything from spreads to player props and more! So, visit  https://FanDuel.com/BOSTON and kick off the NFL season with an offer you won’t wanna miss.  21+ and present in MA. First online real money wager only. $10 first deposit required. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable bonus bets that expire 7 days after receipt. Restrictions apply. See terms at fanduel.com/sportsbook. Hope is here. GamblingHelpLineMa.org or call (800)-327-5050 for 24/7 support. Play it smart from the start! GameSenseMA.com or call 1-800-GAM-1234. NFL Sunday Ticket Offer ends 9/18/23. No refunds. Terms and embargoes apply. $100 off NFL Sunday Ticket, not YouTube TV. YouTube TV base plan required to watch YouTube TV. Redemption requires a Google account and current form of payment. Commercial Use Excluded. Subscription renews; cancel anytime.

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00:00 Did you happen to read the Jeff Goodman, Jason Tatum interview that came out this morning?

00:07 Yes, on Jeff Goodman, one on one with him on, I believe, The Messenger, which I think

00:11 is Jeff Goodman's new site here.

00:14 Is that what I'd never heard of The Messenger?

00:16 Yeah, I think.

00:17 This would be a free plug for The Messenger.

00:20 What is that?

00:21 I don't know.

00:22 It seems to be a new, like, across the board news sports site.

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00:30 Welcome to another edition of the Winning Plays podcast.

00:36 My name is Brian Robb.

00:37 Very, very pleased to be joined today by the one and only Rich Levine joining us from the

00:42 West Coast with for two various two.

00:46 I mean, this is the originator here, and we always are happy to get you back on here.

00:51 And it's it's been a minute, Rich.

00:53 And we talked back in, we talked post-Porsingis trade, but have not talked since all the free

01:00 agency coming and going here in the last couple of months.

01:04 But things have been quiet now.

01:08 Jalen is signed.

01:10 Grant is gone.

01:12 But pretty much no other.

01:14 It's it's almost an eerily quiet summer for the Celtics compared to the last couple of

01:18 years here.

01:19 Yeah, I guess so.

01:20 And did you mean to leave out that Marcus is gone?

01:22 Or you mean we talked about it a lot?

01:27 I did not.

01:28 I don't know.

01:29 You know, that was that was unintentional.

01:31 Yeah, I say we covered that in the last one.

01:33 But obviously, that is the main storyline of the summer.

01:35 It was a very busy June for the Celtics, less so in July and August.

01:41 And hopefully there'll be no, you know, big kerfuffle or, you know, a head coach getting

01:48 suspended two days before the season starts this time around.

01:51 Well, I mean, when you when you when you're when you're alone, like major acquisition

01:54 is like a seven footer, like kind of getting up there and you're like, OK, as long as he

01:58 doesn't like hurt his feet.

02:00 We'll be all right.

02:02 And then he comes down with the one like most nagging foot injury that someone of his size

02:07 can come down with.

02:08 That seems to be just this.

02:11 Let's get that out of the way.

02:13 Right now, the assumption is he's going to be ready.

02:15 Brad's even said day one of training camp ready to go.

02:19 He said that last week in an interview.

02:22 And I don't know, it's like this is.

02:25 I guess I look, I'll throw it to you.

02:28 I'll wait two ways to look at the situation with him, one with him sitting out the World

02:31 Cup.

02:32 Is it do you see it as a.

02:33 They just needed an excuse for him not to play in this World Cup, and this was an easy

02:39 thing to point to where it's like, yep, everyone has some type of plantar fasciitis and this

02:45 way he can go out.

02:47 You know, said he tried, but he's not going to do it.

02:49 And then, you know, while resting up for the season or is it column B what you just referenced

02:54 like, yeah, this is a big guy who's been injury prone over its entire career.

02:56 And this is the last thing you want to see for a seven footer dealing with Fessy, you

03:00 know, approaches his purchase age 30.

03:03 Yeah, I mean, my impression was that he had really wanted to play.

03:06 I mean, obviously he really wanted to play in FIBA.

03:09 I think he said this is literally like one of the biggest games in the history of Latvian

03:12 basketball, and he thought it was up to him to to to be there and represent his country.

03:18 I think we'll find out when training camp starts, right?

03:21 If it's anything else, anything other than what Brad Stevens said, you know, if there's

03:26 a go, no, we're going to hold him out a couple more weeks.

03:28 And then then, you know, that this is that there's more than meets the eye.

03:32 And I would definitely be concerned.

03:33 But maybe we'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he just wanted to to.

03:36 And hey, that's cool.

03:38 If he wants to prioritize the Celtics in a 60 million dollar contract and and, you know,

03:43 further legitimizing his NBA career, let's do it.

03:47 But if he actually is suffering from plantar fasciitis to where he could not have played

03:53 or really would have had to play through the pain or get into a situation where playing

03:56 would have made it worse because, you know, it's a pretty long season.

04:01 It is.

04:02 And the other thing we will see.

04:05 And I don't know, it's just like when you when you factor that in with like the Robert

04:09 Williams and now Horford party equation here and you look at the rest of the bench right

04:16 now from a big situation and it can get pretty thin, pretty quick of two of those guys go

04:22 down.

04:23 And I mean, they're not.

04:27 They're not done tinkering here, I think, but that's just something I wonder how quickly

04:29 they'll I mean, we'll find out again, like you said, a training camp if if and when that

04:33 needs to be addressed further on the front.

04:36 And then your your biggest strength, I mean, outside of like the two top ten players on

04:40 your team, but like you had three like very good.

04:45 Point guard slash guards, if you just want to call them that right, one's gone.

04:48 Marcus is gone.

04:50 Brogdon is in worse shape than he was coming into last year.

04:55 I will imagine not like like just physical.

04:57 I'm not talking about endurance.

04:58 I'm talking about like whatever might be going on with his body, whatever might be going

05:02 on with his head after being traded and then saying, oh, actually, just kidding.

05:05 We want you back.

05:06 And then, you know, Derek White, who was amazing last year, but like, again, it's much easier

05:12 to be the Derek White that he was last year when you have Marcus Martin, Malcolm Brogdon

05:16 out there.

05:17 And if he's the guy that's like, all right, now you're all three in one.

05:20 Go do your thing like that'll catch up to you pretty quickly, too.

05:23 So I don't know.

05:27 We'll see.

05:29 Before we move to the odds here, any quick thoughts on.

05:34 McIlook as the the 14th.

05:37 I mean, I know you he's played for six teams in six years.

05:40 Is it including the Lakers out there?

05:43 Right, right.

05:44 It's like.

05:45 I don't know what to make of it.

05:48 It's like when the when the Celtics got Moses Brown for two seconds last summer.

05:51 Yeah.

05:52 You know, he had that one good game against the Celtics.

05:53 No, there's a reason that he's on every team for like two weeks and then moves on, you

05:58 know.

05:59 I don't know.

06:00 I like the the highlight reel that made its way around Twitter was pretty awesome.

06:04 Like that got me a bit hyped.

06:06 Like he's definitely got skills.

06:07 You'd assume so.

06:09 Pretty cool that he's from the Ukraine.

06:12 I think is Alex Lynn still in the NBA?

06:14 Yes, I think he's still with the Kings.

06:16 So yeah, I know.

06:17 Yeah, I think they did some cool stuff as far as raising recognition for Ukraine during

06:22 the this wartime stuff in the last couple of years.

06:25 And yeah, we'll see if, you know, he can bottle up the two months of garbage time, you know,

06:31 taking play with the Hornets that he did so at the end last year and do it next to some

06:36 better guys here.

06:37 But it's.

06:38 That's stuff he'll turn to spot a lot of these guys are going to respond training camp and

06:44 we'll see how those dominoes fall in the next few weeks.

06:47 But in the meantime, we want to take a step back, kind of look at some big picture questions,

06:54 big picture standings for this team with both players and as a team is all looking at the

07:01 odds here on FanDuel heading into the season here, Rich.

07:05 And I'll leave it to you.

07:06 Where do we want to start here?

07:07 What intrigues you most?

07:08 There's obviously a bunch of different directions we can go in here.

07:10 What do you want to start with?

07:13 Well, did you happen to read the Jeff Goodman, Jason Tatum interview that I did came out

07:20 this morning?

07:22 Yes, on Jeff Goodman, one of him on the messenger, which I think is Jeff Goodman's new site here.

07:29 Is that what I'd never heard of the message?

07:30 Yeah, I think it would be a free plug for right.

07:33 What is that?

07:35 I don't know.

07:36 It seems to be a new like across the board news sports site.

07:41 I've heard rumblings about it, like, you know, from people in the industry, but I had never

07:46 I have not seen much about it in.

07:48 But it's clearly up now.

07:49 It seems to be fully functional and and Jeff Goodman appears to be one of the the passport

07:55 is for it.

07:56 So you're getting those you get those Tatum exclusives.

07:58 I think I mean, listen, people know the messenger.

08:03 But yeah, what did you was there a certain he did talk about an award in there.

08:06 Is that something that caught your eye there?

08:09 Well, kind of.

08:10 Yeah.

08:11 He said he wanted to be in all defense.

08:13 Right.

08:14 Right.

08:15 Which I thought was interesting because I don't know.

08:16 He's not listed.

08:17 I know there's, you know, FanDuel.

08:19 How many would they have about they have like a handful of players up on it for their season

08:23 awards like NBA Defensive Player of the Year is right.

08:26 You know, six.

08:28 I wouldn't imagine Jason Tatum would be a top six candidate for a defensive player of

08:32 the year.

08:33 But I more want to talk about MVP because it seems like his focus might be on defense.

08:38 This is part of the bigger picture of like further maturation.

08:41 I think I think that Jason Tatum will have an MVP at some point in his career.

08:48 And I don't know.

08:49 It's a plus.

08:50 Was he plus 800 on FanDuel.

08:54 So eight to one.

08:55 He's fifth.

08:56 So Joker is plus four thirty.

08:59 Giannis plus five hundred.

09:02 Luca plus six fifty and B plus seven hundred.

09:06 Like as long as Kyrie is in Dallas, Luca is not winning the MVP.

09:10 I'm going to say that.

09:12 Joel Embiid will have to be even better than he was last year.

09:15 Significantly better, I think, to like break the narrative of like, you know, the guys

09:19 who voted for him last year.

09:20 They're not going to want to vote for him again.

09:22 So they take those two.

09:23 Take Luca out, take Embiid out.

09:25 You got Joker, you got Freak.

09:28 I mean, I don't know.

09:30 I think that I think that's your top three.

09:33 Tatum is not a bad bet at eight to one.

09:36 I guess that's where I'll start.

09:39 Yeah, it's.

09:40 I agree with you on your sense of Luca and Embiid.

09:45 The Jokic, I think the biggest challenge now, and I guess with Jokic, it's like, do the

09:50 voters get the fatigue factor with him?

09:55 But that like there's just no other players.

09:57 That's just such a numbers machine like he is.

10:02 And when the results come of that, when the Nuggets are pretty well set up, I think to

10:05 be a formidable foe again in the West this year, like I think it's going to be tough

10:10 for Tammy to close out.

10:11 So like I'm I'm curious, like what how does Tatum bridge that gap?

10:16 When he knows like numbers wise, he can't do it, is it like you said, is it defensively?

10:19 Does he have to become someone who is like, all right, he also is worthy of all defensive

10:23 accolades here.

10:25 And that shows you, OK, like, yeah, I'm not putting up triple doubles every night, but

10:30 the Celtics are winning and I'm helping fill the gap for Marcus Zapson with, you know,

10:35 by stepping up more defensively now.

10:37 Is it like you feel like that's like the equation here for him?

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11:23 There's that there's I think, OK, you said the Celtics being good.

11:26 That's I think that's a natural part of the NBA equation, I think.

11:30 But like we're talking number one seed to if you're going to bridge that gap.

11:35 I think not that not that you would consider Joker one of the guys like a load management

11:40 guy.

11:41 But I think Durant Tatum going to play 70 as long as he's healthy.

11:46 Obviously, if he's not healthy, he's not winning MVP.

11:48 But like he's going to play 70 plus games, you imagine if anyone if there's a candidate,

11:55 if you go Joker, Giannis, Luka and B, Tatum, who's most likely to play all 82 if there's

12:01 going to be one?

12:02 Yeah, maybe Joker, maybe most likely Tatum, I would say.

12:07 And even Giannis now, I feel like especially coming out of this knee surgery, this offseason,

12:11 like he's they're probably going to be extra careful of him in Milwaukee, I would think

12:15 from a load management standpoint.

12:17 And like you've been opening the door for Tatum to have a pretty big, you know, game's

12:21 edge on both of these guys.

12:23 Yeah, you got Joker, you got his title, Giannis got his title, maybe, you know, coming off

12:28 of like the long season, if there's any, we saw it with the Celtics last year, and even

12:32 when it's titled, they just made it to the finals where you can see like, you know, it's

12:36 hard to to stay focused for that entire year again, like leading back to the finals.

12:42 So maybe Joker, maybe it's going to take Jokic a little bit time to get in the shape, potentially.

12:49 Not that that's really his priority.

12:53 But I think that Tatum's got the want, he doesn't have it yet.

12:55 He still has a lot.

12:56 He has more to prove than than Jokic and Giannis.

13:02 It might be his time.

13:03 I don't know.

13:04 I think it's a decent bet.

13:05 Looking down, by the way, you can click there's a more button where you can see show more.

13:13 My big bet for MVP at 33 to one, I think is Anthony Edwards.

13:17 If you're going to take a stab at a dark horse.

13:21 I mean, he's watching the World Cup at all.

13:24 Have you seen any of this?

13:25 I've seen enough box scores to see that.

13:29 He seems to be taking it pretty seriously.

13:31 And he just seems like it's going to happen with him, too.

13:36 For 33 to one, I think there's a decent.

13:39 I think that's worth a try.

13:41 It's funny now, like how quickly as a sidebar for it with him and that Minnesota team of

13:47 like, are they just going to have to how quickly they're going to pivot off of towns or go

13:53 bare just to clear the way more for for Edwards as far as whether it's either clearing the

13:58 lane or just clearing the opportunity.

14:00 I guess Gobert's not really stealing many shots from him as is.

14:04 But clearly, this is the guy who should be taking the keys to the car there.

14:08 And if there's an impediment to it, I wonder if that becomes a part of this season if they

14:14 get off to a slow start.

14:15 Yeah, I mean, I don't think there's any taking anything away from him at this point.

14:19 But yeah, we'll see.

14:22 I think they got a pretty smart coach.

14:23 Right.

14:24 I think it's tough.

14:25 I mean, the West is tough.

14:27 If they were in the East, maybe it would be a little bit easier.

14:29 My other sort of dark horse MVP, 17 to one right now in fan duels, Devin Booker.

14:37 I think if the sons are as good as they potentially will be, KD will obviously be awesome.

14:43 But I don't know.

14:45 Booker's younger, more exciting for the voters and is just absolutely ridiculous.

14:49 So 17 to one.

14:51 And if I was doing a top three, right, so 33 to one for Edwards, 17 to one for Booker.

14:56 And let's go Jason Tatum at eight to one.

14:58 Yeah, right.

14:59 We're marking that down.

15:01 Mark that tape here.

15:02 We'll be having we'll have a we'll do at least a midseason check in Oak Ridge on the MVP

15:06 out civically to this.

15:08 I like the I like the throwing around on some names that may not be on the radar of most

15:14 voters right now, but we'll certainly have the teams that can get them in the contention

15:18 for the record.

15:19 Jalen Brown, 120 to one.

15:23 Jeez.

15:24 Right.

15:26 James Harden ahead of Jalen Brown right now, MVP odds.

15:30 We'll put that, you know, we're not expected to see that right now.

15:33 But Kyrie Irving also had.

15:36 Yeah, yeah.

15:38 All right.

15:39 Good.

15:40 I mean, I'm I want to bring up six man of the year odds because.

15:47 Malcolm Brogdon right now.

15:50 Currently your favorite to repeat as six man of the year.

15:54 Again, the odds are pretty still pretty long.

15:57 Plus 850.

15:58 Norm Powell, Manuel quickly right behind him.

16:02 Malik Monk, buddy, he old Chris Paul, who says I'm coming off the bench.

16:06 And the voters do your plus 1500 to be six million a year.

16:12 We talked about Malcolm Brogdon briefly here.

16:15 From an on court standpoint, rich, like if they bring him back here, is he?

16:21 Obviously, he's coming off the bench.

16:24 Do you worry about him, you know, buying in concept wise, like to that six man like sacrificing

16:31 what you will to kind of do what he did last year as much this year in the wake of all

16:35 that's happened this offseason?

16:38 Does that worry you or do you think is it more any concerns?

16:42 Just like where is he going to be able to hold up physically after we know that that's

16:46 been a storyline throughout his career?

16:48 Yeah, I think both, you know, you talk about a player that's kind of moved around a little

16:54 bit in his career.

16:55 Like why?

16:56 Why are they getting rid of Malcolm Brogdon?

16:57 You know, like has a tendency to to move around.

17:00 I don't think I think it's crazy that he is.

17:02 I mean, these these are crazy eyes.

17:05 Who knows?

17:06 Like it's September 7th.

17:07 Yeah, we're talking about the sixth man of the award.

17:09 But I wouldn't like there's no circumstances under which I would put money on Malcolm Brogdon

17:14 winning the sixth man of the year award this year.

17:17 For all the reasons you mentioned, whether or not he'll even still be here, whether right

17:21 he he he makes that he makes every sacrifice you would expect or want from a sixth man

17:27 last year.

17:28 And then they fake trade him for like 24 hours and, you know, put his life in the blender

17:34 and then say, oh, no, just kidding.

17:35 Why don't you come back and do it all again?

17:38 Be the consummate teammate like that's tough.

17:40 And who's who's the fifth starter?

17:44 Right now we don't know.

17:45 I mean, if white, brown, Tatum and then pick Porzingis, I assume, and then Al or Rob.

17:53 Assuming you're starting double big, which.

17:56 Right.

17:57 So maybe Jalen's your.

17:58 Jalen's tickly, you're too.

17:59 Yeah, Jalen's your your guard.

18:00 I know he was voted as a guard last year.

18:04 They had that set up pretty much for a good chunk of last year when they started big over

18:11 small.

18:12 But yeah, it's.

18:13 I mean, Brogdon's going to play.

18:16 I'm like the Pritchard X Factor, if he's obviously going to play a lot like is, you know, playing

18:22 those guys together was up and down the points last year, whether they will can, you know,

18:28 collaborate better or whether they'll look at Brogdon and be like, OK, let's how can

18:32 we.

18:33 So I need to get a closing five, like if you will, like a better guy to close, because

18:39 I think the trouble is like I don't think Brogdon was a great fit for the closing lineup

18:43 last year in terms of like a size or just like a fit wise.

18:47 And so maybe you're better off to take some of these picks in him and and find that guy

18:51 at the trade deadline or whatever.

18:53 If you mean, I guess time is going to tell what that group looks like to start this year.

18:56 Then they'll go from there.

18:57 Yeah, I mean, I think it's quickly is a word to lose this year.

19:01 Like I think he probably should have won it last year, depending based on how we finish

19:05 the year, at least.

19:07 I think Malik Monk at ten to one is.

19:09 I could get on that and then Chris Paul, that actually might be if I were to to bet on this

19:16 award, Chris Paul at 15 to one seems like a good value bet.

19:20 It's going to have the narrative.

19:22 The words are going to be good.

19:23 A lot of national TV games.

19:26 The only question is like this stuff, the stuff stay healthy.

19:30 And if he doesn't, does that force Chris Paul obviously into the starting lineup too much?

19:35 But yeah, a lot of good can't Christian would 26 to one.

19:38 He's going to come off the bench for the Lakers.

19:41 That could be interesting.

19:42 Josh Hart, I guess he's on the same team as quickly, so maybe not.

19:46 But my top three for the for the sixth man is quickly Malik Monk and Chris Paul.

19:55 I can put it on the board on the board.

20:00 Where do I go next?

20:01 So this is one that we could have done second, but so I didn't know.

20:04 Apparently this award was created last year, the NBA Clutch Player Award.

20:09 Yes.

20:10 So it's the player what that is voted on.

20:12 Are you on this?

20:14 Maybe I just had it up here.

20:16 Let me go check.

20:18 But it's very new and it's for the player that helps this team most in the clutch.

20:25 Right, Darren Fox won last year, which seems fair, like that there was pretty nasty in

20:31 the fourth quarter and that's about crunch time in general.

20:35 Yeah, exactly.

20:36 So that's it's that sort of award where if you like happen to get a couple of chances

20:40 to hit a buzzer beater and hit one or two and get that narrative like you can probably

20:45 win that award pretty easily.

20:47 It seems hard to measure who should really deserve this award.

20:51 The trophy had a reputation of being clutch.

20:54 This is great podcasting.

20:55 Hold on one second.

20:57 The players are voted on by media panel based on nominations from the coaches.

21:01 Coaches nominate the players and then the media votes on the players.

21:05 So to me, I mean, right now, the favorite is is Shay SGA at 10 to one Jason Tatum, 19

21:14 to one.

21:15 He's going to have a lot of opportunities.

21:21 It's got to be.

21:22 That's honestly one of the I mean, you don't think about it for it, but this team for the

21:28 last two or three years, fourth quarters have generally not been their shining moments in

21:33 a lot of these spots.

21:34 But you're right, like 19 or like there's there's no doubt that that's the guy that

21:38 have the ball in his hands throughout these moments for 20, 30 plus games in crunch time

21:45 moments throughout the radio season.

21:46 So yeah, such a weird award.

21:51 Maybe we should stop talking about it.

21:52 But I thought it was interesting that 19 to one for a guy who's like, you know, eight

21:56 to one to win the MVP and is going to have a lot of opportunities.

21:59 Who are the other favorites there?

22:01 Who else is like, is it all guards?

22:04 SGA Dame is 12 to one.

22:07 Luca 14 to one.

22:10 Jokic and and Darren Fox and Joel and Beter all 14 to one.

22:17 And then Donovan Mitchell, Jalen Brunson and Jason Tatum, 19 to one as well.

22:22 Thought guys, the ball is going to be in their hands at the end of the game anyway.

22:26 Yeah.

22:27 No, that's very strange.

22:28 Yeah, I wonder how that's.

22:30 It's almost like a it's like a young MVP award, right?

22:34 Like you're not good enough to be considered the MVP, but maybe like Darren Fox, like what

22:38 he would do with him.

22:40 Yeah, just give him the clutch award.

22:42 Give him the clutch award.

22:45 This is an award that's very fascinating to me for next year.

22:49 Coach of the Year.

22:51 And for all the grief that Joe Mazzuola took locally last year, I don't think he really

22:56 took much of it nationally.

23:00 He is fourth and coach of the year odds.

23:05 In front of a couple of new names, Frank Vogel and Adrian Griffin are are coming up behind

23:12 him and then I'm going to let you get you want to guess if you have these in front of

23:16 you, you want to guess who's in the top three top three odds for coaches of the year.

23:21 Yes, the coaches who I'm not going to try to pronounce his name.

23:25 OKC coach.

23:27 What's that?

23:28 OKC coach, yeah.

23:30 So hold on, I do have it right here.

23:35 Spolstra and Jason Kidd.

23:37 That is just.

23:38 I mean, yeah, I don't know.

23:41 So Jason Kidd's 12 to one, which is crazy.

23:44 Vogel at 14 to one feels like a solid bet.

23:48 And Mazzuola too, man, because listen, like the East is once again the lesser of the two

23:53 conferences.

23:56 If the Celtics win.

24:00 Close to 60 games.

24:01 As you talk about, I like all the all the the negative attention that that Joe got last

24:06 year like that's just narrative.

24:08 You know what I mean?

24:09 Like the voters are going to love that.

24:10 Like if he can, if he can turn it around after, you know, it's back against the wall and almost

24:14 getting fired in the playoffs last year, still has a, you know, two of the certainly two

24:21 of the top 10 players in the Eastern Conference.

24:25 I don't know.

24:26 It seems like maybe a decent bet.

24:28 I think Mazzuola and Frank Vogel.

24:30 Where's Adrian Griffin?

24:31 Is he the.

24:32 He was fifth.

24:33 Yeah, he's right behind Vogel and Mazzuola.

24:35 Like plus 1600.

24:36 So I guess my question to you, though, about Joe, like with this revamped roster, Marcus

24:43 and Grant out the door, two guys that there were reportedly some, you know, not clashes

24:49 with, but just obviously Grant wasn't pleased with his playing time.

24:53 And we all heard Marcus's comments over the course of the playoffs where he was pretty

24:56 much like, yeah, like I told Joe to make these changes.

25:00 And during that Philly series, does this all this stuff would seem to empower him even

25:07 more here?

25:08 What do you expect, if anything, in terms of changes, whether it's on in court, in game

25:14 stuff, you know, behind the scenes stuff with him for next year?

25:17 What do you what do you actually keep an eye on him with him, you know, with this revamped

25:20 group?

25:21 Yeah, I mean, it's funny, but like on one hand, it's like, yeah, those moves can maybe

25:24 empower him a little bit.

25:25 But then at the same time, we're going to hire like 15 assistant coaches who are like

25:29 ready to coach the NBA tomorrow.

25:33 If we need them to.

25:34 I mean, I hope maybe it could be more collaborative because that I mean, that was what it felt

25:38 to me like down the stretch last year is like.

25:42 Joe was like kind of on an island, you know, Stoudemire had left.

25:46 It was like he was like 34 years old.

25:48 And like, was there anyone on the bench that was older than him?

25:50 Like, was there anyone that was even 40 years old as an assistant coach on that bench?

25:55 I mean, that is not putting him in a position to succeed.

25:57 And all those guys are out there.

25:58 Half they're they already knew they're like out the door.

26:01 Right.

26:02 Yeah, right.

26:03 Right.

26:04 Exactly.

26:05 So I mean, like, maybe that should be talked about a little bit more.

26:07 But also, yeah, that he's going to have a lot more support that the people, you know,

26:11 Kassel and Lee, like the people that are going to be in the in the in the players ears are

26:18 part of the big picture, you would hope, right?

26:20 Like it's much more, hopefully, like a team approach and a team dynamic.

26:24 And like, obviously, like Joe's the one that's going to be standing, standing up there and

26:29 talking to the press.

26:30 But like, hopefully there will be less on him that will, you know, just because what

26:37 like what does he need to improve on?

26:39 Like he need to improve on time and of game management.

26:43 Yeah, like end of game management, like those situation like situational stuff.

26:46 He butchered a couple big ones.

26:49 And then the lineup stuff as well.

26:51 But I think a lot of that stuff has been taken care of for him with, you know, them paving

26:55 the way to be like, all right, you're not gonna have to deal for implications of benching

26:58 Marcus for Derek White, like you can that's just gonna be obvious now.

27:02 Yeah, we're not you don't have to make as many decisions when we deplete the depth of

27:06 this team.

27:07 We take one of the deepest teams in the east and like, put it on plantar fasciitis.

27:12 So yeah, I mean, I think it'd be more like, there'll be fewer decisions to make.

27:19 But I don't know if that's necessarily a good thing.

27:21 But I think that like, if the Jays just decide to win the Eastern Conference here, I mean,

27:26 if we're like, we're not fucking around, like we're just we're just gonna, we stay stay

27:30 healthy.

27:31 They come to play every single night, like in the Celtics are, like we said, a first

27:35 or second seed.

27:37 I think that that 14 to one will shrink pretty quickly.

27:41 While Jason Kidd will probably be, you know, 35 to one by then.

27:47 Yeah, Missoula, Vogel.

27:49 And if there's like a real dark horse, maybe Chris Finch at 19 to one in Minnesota, we

27:53 just talked about.

27:54 Yeah.

27:55 Quinn Snyder in Utah 23 to one, I think is pretty solid.

27:58 Oh, no, wait, where do you mean?

28:01 Atlanta, Atlanta, right?

28:02 Well, that is another one like he could just revamping.

28:06 They actually were playing pretty decent in the playoffs against Celtics.

28:09 And I know where the Celtics are in the fan series.

28:11 But that's like a year if he gets that offense, like playing the way they should be like they

28:18 could they could.

28:19 I wouldn't surprise me to see them and be like a top four seed in the East next year.

28:22 If everything.

28:23 Yeah, there's a lot.

28:24 Yeah, we'll see what goes what happens with with with Trey.

28:27 But yeah, Will Hardy at 29 to one, like that's kind of enticing as well.

28:32 And then eight times like Steve Kerr, 46 to one, you know, like.

28:37 Yeah, that's kind of shocking that for him, but I guess that's, you know, it gets when

28:43 you have the same old team with the same old success, then it's hard to get that narrative

28:49 like you're talking about, but where we're guys like Missoula or Finch or Vogel, even

28:53 obviously starting fresh, if he turns the Suns into champions, then that's an easy,

28:58 easy choice or leads him to one seed in the regular season, which is what this award is

29:02 based on.

29:03 But by the way, Adrian Griffin is the coach of the Bucks.

29:07 I sent the Bulls.

29:08 Yes, former one to declare it a former former Celtic or something.

29:13 I love that guy in the Celtics was like this will be one of those situations.

29:17 Like how many games do you think Adrian Griffin played for the Celtics in his career?

29:22 In my mind, like it might have just been one season if it was even that.

29:26 I was going to get two, but you're right, like it could easily be one.

29:30 And I just remember like it's like, you know, the defensive gritty guy.

29:33 So over under over under 70 games as a Celtic.

29:36 Yeah, I'll take over.

29:37 I'll take over.

29:38 I'll take the under.

29:39 Oh, wow.

29:40 Yeah, he played a hundred and hundred and sixteen.

29:46 Oh, wow.

29:47 All right.

29:48 So two seasons.

29:49 Yeah.

29:50 Season and a half.

29:51 Wow.

29:52 OK.

29:53 How is he only forty nine years old?

29:57 He started his career for the Celtics, too.

29:59 I did not would not guess that.

30:01 Very 47 starts in his rookie year.

30:05 Yeah, I mean, he was great.

30:08 His son plays a lot like him.

30:09 Yeah, the same way with like Brunson, like obviously Brunson's much better than his dad,

30:13 but like the style of play is very similar.

30:15 OK, what's next?

30:17 So do we want to wrap up here with win total?

30:22 Over under?

30:23 Yes.

30:24 Or do we want to title odds?

30:28 Let's do one total.

30:29 All right, I'll pull them up here.

30:32 So this is a situation where I think the Celtics in the whole world, you know, they clearly

30:40 beat themselves.

30:41 Alligator last year, and now I'm trying to.

30:47 Here we go.

30:48 Let me pull this up.

30:50 OK, so the number here.

30:53 Is fifty four point five wins.

30:56 And it's even odds over under.

30:59 I believe this is probably, if not the highest in the NBA, like right there, maybe Denver

31:05 might have higher.

31:06 I'll put them up real quick, but this is.

31:07 Because you guys, yeah, Denver is not in their numbers of fifty three and a half, so.

31:13 Fifty four and a half would be what two wins less than last year.

31:18 Yeah.

31:20 And I don't it's that's part of me is like, wow, they left a lot of wins out there last

31:26 year after their hot start, and maybe they clean that up.

31:30 But the other half is like, oh, you got a lot of injury health question marks and you

31:35 have on court chemistry question marks that are going to be answered pretty quickly.

31:39 And there might be some growing pains early on the year on that front where there didn't

31:43 seem to be many last year.

31:44 So which way do you leave in this direction?

31:48 So how many times in their career have the Jays won more than fifty four games in the

31:54 season?

31:55 I'm going to say, I guess, three.

32:02 Well, if we go by win percentage, they probably would have done it a third year in the covid

32:07 shortened season.

32:08 Right.

32:09 Yeah, they were on track to do it.

32:10 But yeah, other than that, they won fifty five and Tatum's rookie year with Kyrie in

32:14 fifty seven last year.

32:16 And like I said, the win percentage was good enough to do it in twenty.

32:22 But yeah, so three times.

32:24 So is this going to be one of the three winning seasons of the Jays era?

32:32 I want to say, if Tatum, if we think feel so good about Tatum being MVP, I want to say

32:36 yes.

32:37 Like, are they having a chance of that?

32:40 Like, I feel like those are going to go hand in hand.

32:43 Sure.

32:44 And that's why it's like eight to one, right?

32:45 Maybe it's like not.

32:46 It's a little bit of a stretch, but.

32:49 Man.

32:50 So we're assuming in this case that both Jays are having to stay healthy.

32:56 Yeah, that has to be.

33:00 I mean, Jalen, I think is the bigger question mark, always in that front.

33:02 He always seems to have something that gets nicked up for 20 games kind of spread out

33:07 over the course of the year.

33:08 But right.

33:09 I guess the question is.

33:13 What is the front court?

33:14 Like, even if those guys are both healthy, if the front court is in shambles for half

33:17 the year, then that that becomes a pretty high bar to ask for.

33:21 Fifty four and a half.

33:23 Right.

33:24 That's like one of the you get the fifty four and a half just to like go out in the first

33:28 round of the playoffs just because everyone's fucking running on fumes.

33:32 Yes, I don't know.

33:35 I have a hard time.

33:36 I have a hard time feeling the over.

33:40 That's sad.

33:41 Sad to say, but.

33:42 I don't know.

33:44 It's certainly possible.

33:45 Like, I think there I think their best case scenario might be a little bit better than

33:49 last year's, but like.

33:51 We know the road to get there is going to be treacherous.

33:53 It always is.

33:54 And they're like, like, less equipped to deal with it, like to get there.

33:56 And then even in the playoffs, like, I don't know, like Grant, like, like the comeback

34:00 against against Miami, like Grant was a huge part of that.

34:05 Obviously, Marcus was a pretty big part of that as well.

34:09 So yeah, I'm going under.

34:11 I like it when you phrase it like that, and I'm like, I do think that especially this

34:18 year is going to be a there's probably going to be growing pains early on.

34:22 They didn't have that last year, and I think that will when you factor that with the injuries,

34:27 I think you just convinced me.

34:28 I think I'm going to go under two here because that's just like to have all those go right

34:32 and knowing that they will be out.

34:34 This team is team is building for April and May more so this year than ever, whereas,

34:40 you know, and whether if it takes a few more losses during the regular season to get there

34:45 to get there, right, like so be it.

34:47 Right.

34:48 They're more likely to to be like, you know, like late February, like mid-March, be like,

34:52 oh, fuck it.

34:53 Like we're in the playoffs, like scale back a little bit and get ourselves right to like

34:58 a certain only chance now is to be healthy when we get there.

35:00 So maybe we'll take a few more losses down the stretch.

35:05 One minute left and this I think that's it.

35:07 That's a that's a buzzer.

35:09 So we did it.

35:10 We did it all.

35:11 Rich.

35:12 It is a pleasure.

35:13 It's great to see your face.

35:14 Oh, man.

35:15 We need to we'll do this again as we get to the season and we'll be checking on these

35:21 odds over the course of the year at FanDuel and we'll be back with you guys next week

35:28 as we one week out.

35:29 I mean, one month out.

35:30 Excuse me.

35:31 Sneaking up on us real quick here.

35:32 You can officially say next month the Celtics will play a real game.

35:37 Will Chris Stapps be on the court for the opening night?

35:40 Yes or no?

35:41 Yes.

35:42 OK, cool.

35:43 Two more nights to back to back on Friday.

35:45 We'll see.

35:46 And then six weeks off.

35:47 It's actually not.

35:48 All right.

35:49 Stay tuned for that.

35:50 Stay tuned for Rich.

35:51 Thanks again.

35:52 We'll talk to you guys next week.

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