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'Barbie' Cast Interviews With Issa Rae, Margot Robbie, Ryan Gosling And More Blavity
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00:00
Your character in this movie is a character who has a lot of history with Barbie and it
00:05
kind of impacts the person that she is.
00:07
So I wanted to know for you, as America, what's your connection with Barbie and how did that
00:12
kind of like impact maybe the way that you approach this role?
00:15
Yeah, well to be honest, like I didn't really play with Barbies growing up.
00:21
You know, it didn't necessarily feel like representative of me, but it was also just
00:26
kind of, we couldn't afford Barbies.
00:28
Like it just felt like out of my reach.
00:31
And in a way, like it's so amazing to get to be a part of a story that expands that
00:38
world and that narrative to include more of us, right?
00:42
And I would have never thought that I would be a part of a Barbie movie, but what Greta
00:48
and Noah did with the story and how they opened it up to be about, less about what the life
00:56
of a doll and more about what she says about who we are as humans, it was really like compelling
01:02
and interesting to me.
01:04
Yes.
01:05
And speaking about, you know, this crisis that Barbie, you know, happens upon in the
01:09
film, I think that both Barbie and Ken are kind of the point where they're thinking like,
01:14
kind of pushing back against like what they've programmed themselves.
01:17
I guess Mattel has programmed them to think, and I think it kind of reminds me of how kind
01:21
of like society programs us to think certain things about ourselves, what we can do, what
01:26
we can't do.
01:27
Did you have a revelation like that in life before about, you know, thinking about, you
01:30
know, maybe I'm not who I thought I was supposed to be?
01:34
Yeah.
01:35
Yeah.
01:36
I've a lot.
01:37
And I feel like every day, like every day more and more I'm realizing like, oh, what
01:43
if I chose just not to believe that?
01:45
Like, what if I just chose to believe this, you know?
01:51
And I think the miracle of realizing that so much of what we live with is just like
01:56
what we choose to believe.
02:00
And that's, you know, that in a way it's like everything's a story.
02:05
Everything we believe is a story that someone told us and that we chose to like make real
02:10
for us.
02:11
And I love that you say that because that is the connection with Gloria and Barbie of
02:14
like, you know, they have this deep connection and one of them beginning to question like
02:22
her boundaries is what, you know, kind of they both help each other evolve to the next
02:31
thing.
02:32
They're intertwined together.
02:33
They're intertwined.
02:34
Yeah.
02:35
Well, thank you so, so much for chatting with me.
02:36
I can't wait for more people to see the film.
02:38
You know, coming off of films like Lady Bird and Little Women, I was listening to the podcast
02:44
you did with Dua Lipa.
02:45
I've been talking about how like, you know, the most terrifying part about this movie
02:50
would be like where to start like initially.
02:53
So you know, thinking about how we didn't really know too much about what the film was
02:56
for a long time.
02:57
Then we come out with the trailer and like, oh, Barbie's going through an existential
03:00
crisis.
03:01
That's what the genesis of this film is.
03:03
So what do you think the starting point was when you figured out like what this film would
03:07
be about and like what it would tackle and like kind of even having some social commentary
03:11
in there as well?
03:12
Yeah.
03:13
I wanted the movie to be, you know, I wanted it to be beautiful.
03:18
I wanted it to be dazzling and I wanted it to be kind of this homage to soundstage musicals
03:23
of the 1950s.
03:25
But then I felt like the way to sort of approach everything was to run head on into the thorniness
03:34
and to not pretend it doesn't exist, that that would be where the story was.
03:40
And then I think beyond that, as you know, as we were working on it, just I would say
03:47
Ken as an idea, as like the fact that Ken never really, nobody who ever played with
03:53
Barbies or grew up with him really ever thought about Ken.
03:57
And when I first talked to Ryan about playing the part, he said his daughter had Barbie
04:02
and he thought that they had a Ken, but he couldn't find it.
04:04
And then he found it in the backyard under a rotting lemon.
04:08
And he was like, "Oh, I need to tell this man's story.
04:11
He's totally forgotten."
04:12
And I think that that also, it was like, it was like, I felt that the, everything about
04:18
the story kept revealing itself to us.
04:21
And it was like both looking at all of this stuff as an adult and also remembering being
04:26
a kid and kind of trying to occupy both, both mental states at the same time.
04:32
Yes.
04:33
Yes.
04:34
And with that being said, what do you think this film's like wide appeal could be?
04:37
So initially you think people may sell a Barbie film like this may be for like my kids, but
04:42
you know, but then you watch the film and it's like, okay, this message is for like,
04:45
it's, you know, broad, it's universal.
04:48
So what do you think that the universal message of this film would be?
04:51
The thing that I really wanted to, to, to sort of nail down for people when they sit
04:57
in a movie theater was just the, this is a big one, but it is honestly what I wanted
05:03
it to be is just like that you're worthy and that you're enough.
05:08
And I think that that's something men, women, everyone, whether they're young or old, people
05:16
hold themselves to just impossible standards and really beat themselves up all the time.
05:21
I see it all the time.
05:23
And I do it too.
05:25
And I wanted this to be fun and beautiful and a romp and hilarious.
05:30
And then I also wanted it to sort of reach through the screen and say, maybe you're enough,
05:36
you're enough.
05:38
But also, you know, like, I think that that was, that was really at the core of it to
05:44
me because I think it's what I need to hear.
05:47
And I think I would imagine that a lot of people need to hear it.
05:50
Yeah.
05:51
One of my favorite parts was when like, you know, it was like, you know, if Barbie's having
05:54
a rough patch, then like, what, what have I to do with like, I'm going through something.
05:57
So like, that's where I think that's a message that like could be applied to anything.
06:01
Yeah, exactly.
06:02
So yeah, it's really supposed to be eight to 80.
06:05
Everyone's invited or really 108.
06:08
But it's, it's, it's a movie.
06:11
I want it to be for everyone.
06:13
And, and, and Ken's included.
06:17
Thank you so, so much for chatting with me.
06:20
I can't wait for more people to see the film.
06:21
Isa, I'll start with you.
06:23
When we found out that you were going to play President Barbie, I was like, that feels correct.
06:27
You know, this is right, playing President Barbie.
06:29
If President Barbie was our real life president, who would be three real life figures who you
06:34
think would be her administration?
06:38
If if President Barbie were real, it would probably be, um, Beyonce would be in the music
06:44
ministry cabinet.
06:45
Because that's the thing.
06:47
I would also invite, this is so hard.
06:51
Oh, it just, it got real for me.
06:54
I would invite, um, I would invite Greta Gerwig just because for Treasury, because I want
07:02
her to handle all of the finances.
07:08
Warner Brothers should thank her.
07:09
And then I would like to also invite, um, Rihanna for foreign relations.
07:16
I just feel like she has a superior quality and an accent that people can relate to.
07:24
I hate every answer I gave.
07:25
She has a big reach.
07:26
She has a big reach.
07:27
No, that's a stag line on the other nations should be intimidated by.
07:31
Thank you.
07:32
That's all I want.
07:33
I want to stoke fear in my heart.
07:37
I love it.
07:39
And Michael and Kate for you.
07:40
So Mike, you play Alan and you play a Barbie, but not necessarily the Barbies like the other
07:45
Barbies that we meet in the movie.
07:48
So what was it like playing these characters that are kind of different from like, you
07:50
know, the different versions of Barbies and all the kids, but these two characters are
07:54
very different and kind of bring a different energy than we've seen in the movie when we
07:58
get to the point where we meet them.
08:00
So what was that like?
08:01
How do we do this?
08:02
What are we going to do?
08:07
I like to feel like I'm watching from the periphery.
08:12
I feel sort of like that.
08:14
And I like to celebrate that.
08:15
And I like to try to use that platform to speak to others who feel like that.
08:21
And so I'm so proud to have portrayed weird Barbie.
08:25
And what about you, honey?
08:26
I like that, too.
08:27
You know, I always have lived on like the edge of town when I lived here in LA.
08:32
I lived in Marina del Rey.
08:34
You did?
08:35
And I liked at the end of the night, like slinking off the 90, you know, and being on
08:40
the side of me.
08:41
I can come in when I want.
08:42
But I'm over here.
08:46
Did that make sense?
08:47
You lived in the Marina del Rey?
08:48
Why am I talking about where I lived?
08:49
Yeah, I lived in Marina del Rey.
08:50
Wow.
08:51
Did you go to Cheesecake?
08:52
Near Via Marina, of course.
08:53
Cheesecake.
08:54
You go to Jerry's Valley, go to Aunt Kizzy's Back Porch.
08:55
Look at you.
08:56
It's gone.
08:57
It's gone.
08:58
Yeah, it's gone.
08:59
And Jerry's is gone, too.
09:00
Jerry's is gone.
09:01
It's all gone.
09:02
Angels.
09:03
Yeah.
09:04
Well, thank you three so, so much for chatting with me.
09:05
We said a lot.
09:06
Of course.
09:07
And I cannot wait for more people to see this film.
09:08
So, I wanted to know for both of you, thinking about kind of what Barbie and Ken are both
09:15
going through in this movie.
09:16
They kind of have a pushing back against like what they've been programmed as, I guess,
09:21
like via Mattel in this movie.
09:23
You know, the things that people expect of them, what they expect of themselves.
09:26
And I was wondering, in real life, do you think there have been any instances where
09:30
you've kind of like pushed back against like kind of how what society has like programmed
09:34
us?
09:35
The box society has put you in, where you've put yourself in?
09:37
Yes.
09:38
This movie is very much about stepping outside of that box.
09:42
Metaphorically.
09:43
Figuratively.
09:44
An instance where I've had that experience?
09:48
I'm trying to think of like, there's not one shining example, but yeah, I think I've always
09:55
been doing that.
09:56
I remember I'm from the Gold Coast in Australia, and I feel like being like a surfy kid was
10:04
like such a thing that you had to be, so I dyed my hair black like all through high school
10:09
and listened to Death Metal.
10:10
And I was like, was I just trying to prove, even though I really like surfing, am I trying
10:13
to prove that I'm not the thing that, I don't know.
10:15
I guess I've always been finding ways to like defy the expectation, either in big or small
10:22
ways.
10:23
And sometimes it's totally silly.
10:24
Like my hair looked awful.
10:26
I should have just been like, it's okay to have blonde hair.
10:28
It's okay.
10:29
But no, I think, I don't know, I think I've always had that feeling of like, hmm, they
10:36
think I'm that, now I've got to show them I'm not that.
10:38
And sometimes I catch myself doing it with like acting roles.
10:41
I'm like, no, I've already played that.
10:42
I need to show that I can play that.
10:44
And I'm like, I'm worried about it.
10:46
It's all about that box, like getting out of that box.
10:48
Yeah.
10:49
What about you?
10:50
What about you?
10:51
You, sir.
10:52
You know, I think that, you know, as journalists, you know, we think that like a lot of times
10:58
our opinions need to be uniform.
10:59
And, you know, thinking about how everybody can take something away differently.
11:04
Even this film, like, you know, the existential crisis may resonate with me more than someone
11:08
else.
11:09
So I think that's how I would push out some of the box.
11:13
I'd find it really hard.
11:14
I mean, I don't know, I'm not a journalist, but it'd be so hard because I feel there's
11:19
so many things that I feel both sides of the argument for.
11:22
And it's like, you have to pick the side.
11:24
It's hard.
11:25
But both things can be true at once.
11:28
Yeah, it's like you always don't want to be polarized.
11:30
You don't want to like, either you really, really like a film or you really, really hate
11:34
it.
11:35
It's never like a lot of times in between.
11:36
So that's like pushing back against that.
11:38
Yeah, playing in that gray area.
11:40
It's just, yeah, anyways, interesting.
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And I think that's what Greta does so well.
11:44
You know, it's like she really, there's no line between drama and comedy.
11:48
You know, she sort of breaks that down.
11:50
And the stuff that she makes kind of exists in that place.
11:53
That's why it resonates so much, certainly with me, because it feels more truthful.
11:59
Yeah, absolutely.
12:00
Well, thank you both so, so much for chatting with me.
12:02
I cannot wait for more people to see this film.
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